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Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)
The Scotsman ^ | Feb 13, 2005 | unknown

Posted on 02/13/2005 3:46:33 PM PST by Cincinnatus

Sister Lucia Marto, the last of three children who claimed to have seen the Virgin Mary in a series of 1917 apparitions, has died, Portuguese media reported today. She was 97.

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Saint in waiting.
1 posted on 02/13/2005 3:46:37 PM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: NYer

ping


2 posted on 02/13/2005 3:48:40 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Cincinnatus

One can almost hear the angels sing.


3 posted on 02/13/2005 3:49:33 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Bahbah

Another thread has noted that she died on the 13th of the month. The Fatima equivalent of 7/4/1826 for those seeking the approval of the Almighty!


4 posted on 02/13/2005 4:00:29 PM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus

'Lucia and two of her cousins, siblings Jacinta and Francisco, said in 1907 that the Virgin Mary had been appearing to them once a month and predicting events, such as a world war, the fall of Russian communism, and the eventual persecution of Catholics and the Pope. The appearances took place on the 13th day of each month in Fatima, a town about 70 miles north of Lisbon.

The first sighting was May 13, and the appearances took place for another five months, ending abruptly in October that year.

Shortly after, both Jacinta and Francisco died of respiratory diseases. But Lucia became a nun and penned two memoirs while living in convents.

The Catholic Church later built a shrine in Fatima, which is visited each year by millions of people from around the world. More than 100,000 people from dozens of countries routinely attend the annual commemorations of the sightings.

Pope John Paul II has visited three times since becoming pontiff, spending a few minutes with Lucia during a 1991 trip to the site. He has claimed the Virgin of Fatima saved his life after he was shot by a Turkish gunman in St Peter’s square in 1981. The May 13, 1981, attack coincided with the feast day of Our Lady of Fatima, and John Paul credit’s the Virgin’s intercession for his survival.

In 2000, he visited Fatima to beatify Jacinta and Francisco.

A funeral was scheduled for Tuesday, TSF reported. '


5 posted on 02/13/2005 4:00:54 PM PST by bitt (Kerry "Hanoi"s me)
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To: NYer; Petronski; fortunecookie

ping


6 posted on 02/13/2005 4:01:01 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cincinnatus

She Out-lived the U.S.S.R.and saw it crash and burn, how fitting. R.I.P.


7 posted on 02/13/2005 4:01:17 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Cincinnatus

I forget, what was the last message that was supposed to have been revealed, wasn't, then finally was?


8 posted on 02/13/2005 4:01:58 PM PST by bitt (Kerry "Hanoi"s me)
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To: bitt

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

but it is Sooooo confusing......


9 posted on 02/13/2005 4:04:22 PM PST by bitt (Kerry "Hanoi"s me)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Pope very sick last week and now this.
Im glad she passed away peacefully.


Rest In Peace


PAX


10 posted on 02/13/2005 4:04:54 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: Cincinnatus

Interesting that she died on the 13th.


11 posted on 02/13/2005 4:05:01 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Mercat

It's not on Drudge yet.. pinged him..

Guess I don't need drudge anymore, just check FR first !


12 posted on 02/13/2005 4:06:36 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: Cincinnatus

"Saint in waiting."

Most definately!


13 posted on 02/13/2005 4:07:52 PM PST by Arpege92 (Mr. Kerry, you are a jerk!" - Pat Sajak)
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To: Cincinnatus

What a stupid headline for this story.


14 posted on 02/13/2005 4:08:54 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Remember this: Jesus loves you and Allah wants you DEAD!)
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To: bitt

'The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: Penance, Penance, Penance! And we saw in an immense light that is God: "something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it" a Bishop dressed in White "we had the impression that it was the Holy Father". Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.'


15 posted on 02/13/2005 4:09:34 PM PST by bitt (Kerry "Hanoi"s me)
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To: Cincinnatus
There is a God and he awaits his children. I see things everyday that confirms his existence. I, like many, hope that our life on Earth has served God's pleasure.
16 posted on 02/13/2005 4:21:25 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: i_dont_chat
What a stupid headline for this story.

I don't write 'em, just report 'em! (Actually I found the story precisely because the headline made no sense to me and it aroused my curiosity. I added 'Lucia of Fatima' so the rest of the world would get it.)

17 posted on 02/13/2005 4:26:40 PM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus

I would say Go With God, but she already has.


18 posted on 02/13/2005 4:27:05 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Cincinnatus
Another thread has noted that she died on the 13th of the month. The Fatima equivalent of 7/4/1826 for those seeking the approval of the Almighty!


I seriously doubt the Almighty is really concerned with it.
19 posted on 02/13/2005 4:34:39 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: bitt

I would be surprised if our present Pope delays too
long in nominating her for canonization, which
surely would be granted an immediate affirmation.

http://religion-cults.com/pope/canonizations.htm

Pope John Paul II has canonized over 120 mortals
for sainthood.


20 posted on 02/13/2005 4:40:31 PM PST by Grendel9
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To: Boiler Plate
I seriously doubt the Almighty is really concerned with it.

Yeah. But I'll bet his Mom is!

21 posted on 02/13/2005 4:40:50 PM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus

Uh yeah, where exactly did you read that?


22 posted on 02/13/2005 4:43:36 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Selkie
Guess I don't need drudge anymore, just check FR first !

I've noticed just that in myself. I used to look at Drudge every day or other day, because a) the 'big news' sites took 10 weeks and a day to load all their useless junk and b) you couldn't trust what they had, at that (maybe FOX on many stories, but they too load up on the junk). Drudge was easy to view. And if I missed something, I'd look to the archived links (which I found very useful).

But since the Swifties really made me aware of this site - which was actually thanks to a Drudge link originally - and particularly since the election, I find myself just coming here. I very infrequently look at the Drudge page. But I hope he continues to do well. After all, naysayers to the contrary, it was Drudge who helped with the Swifty story, initially linking to the Spring press conference (that only Newsmax or WND, apparently, attended). Admittedly, he was hot on Hersh's 'payroll' with Abu Graib, but . . Drudge helped gin up interest in Rathergate, which for some recent 'blog' victories, still reigns as the principal coming-out episode for the weblogs. I think he helped break stories on Sandy 'Pants'. And so on.

But yes, compared with FR and weblogs, Drudge does seem like he plays catch-up more and more. But that's fine. As long as he keeps getting the hits, his delayed reaction still announces a link to those who otherwise wouldn't know. And he does still try to find those Drudge-only scoops. Have to see how it goes for him. I hope 'freepers' wish him just the best because Drudge accomplished a lot.

23 posted on 02/13/2005 4:43:50 PM PST by sevry
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To: Cincinnatus

Yep, I knew you didn't write the headline, and I guessed that you added the Fatima reference, for clarity. Thanks for posting it. I've always been interested in this story.

Is it true that over 1,000 people at the time witnessed what they thought was the Sun, moving in, above their heads, looking like a huge UFO? And that had a lot to do with the Church accepting the miracle?


24 posted on 02/13/2005 4:44:06 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Remember this: Jesus loves you and Allah wants you DEAD!)
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To: i_dont_chat
Is it true that over 1,000 people at the time witnessed what they thought was the Sun, moving in, above their heads, looking like a huge UFO? And that had a lot to do with the Church accepting the miracle?

Very much true. It was widely reported in newspapers of the time, and several eye-witnesses who were miles away from Fatima reported the same sighting, which puts a crimp in the "mass hysteria" theory. Also, though it had been raining heavily, the folks who dropped to their knees in the mud found their pants dry when they stood up again. A rather minor miracle compared to the sun hurtling toward the earth, but very impressive for the folks who were there.

25 posted on 02/13/2005 4:50:03 PM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus

Wow.


26 posted on 02/13/2005 4:52:05 PM PST by lawgirl (Proud 2 time voter for George W. Bush as of 7:21 AM CST, November 2, 2004. LUVYA DUBYA!!)
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To: Cincinnatus
Another thread has noted that she died on the 13th of the month. The Fatima equivalent of 7/4/1826 for those seeking the approval of the Almighty!

I just tried to do a Google search to discover what calendrical reckoning you use to get the date '7/4/1826,' but I came up blank.

2005-February-13 corresponds to 5765-Adar Aleph-04 in the Hebrew calendar, 2005-January-31 in the Julian calendar, 1426-Muharram-04 in the Islamic calendar, 1721-Amshir-06 in the Coptic calendar, 1997-Yakatit-6 in the Ethiopic calendar, 0161-Mulk-07 in the Bahai calendar, 1926-Magha-24 in the Indian civil calendar and 1383-Bahman-25 in the Persian calendar. But none of those correspond to 1826-07-04.

27 posted on 02/13/2005 4:59:48 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: sourcery
I just tried to do a Google search to discover what calendrical reckoning you use to get the date '7/4/1826,' but I came up blank.

Sorry. I thought certain things were common knowledge.
On July 4, 1826, the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, the two men most responsible for same, died within hours of each other. Jefferson's last words, "Is it the 4th?" And Adams, "Jefferson lives", which was technically wrong, but that was before email. The whole nation was stunned by the "coincidence" and it was widely viewed as a sign of the blessing of God on our still young country.

28 posted on 02/13/2005 5:07:58 PM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus

ping


29 posted on 02/13/2005 5:11:53 PM PST by Bostton1
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To: Cincinnatus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1342429/posts?page=5#5
30 posted on 02/13/2005 5:12:57 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Cincinnatus

Ok. So what does the date of the deaths of Jefferson and Adams (and the coincidences therein) have to do with the Fatima visions, and/or the death of Lucia Fatima?


31 posted on 02/13/2005 5:14:51 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: sourcery
"Lucia Fatima" => Lucia of Fatima.
32 posted on 02/13/2005 5:16:39 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: Cincinnatus
Here a few pertinent facts about Sr. Lucia and Fatima: Between 40,000 to 70,000 people (accounts vary) traveled in the pouring rain over two days to Fatima to witness the ONLY major, visible miracle in ALL history as correctly predicted ahead of time -- by three children under twelve years old as they said at the request of the Virgin Mary. Remember, there were not portable johns back then. People really went through a lot to get there. The lowest estimate was 40,000 persons. The miracle occured precisely at the time predicted by the children: at 12 p.m on May 13th, 1917 at the site the Virgin said it would happen. No one knew what it would be. At noon the drenching downpour stopped. The two day rains even stopped the World War I fighting in Europe in the trenches - the rains were continuous and heavy. The people who came from all over expected something major and they got it besides being soaked to the skin. Sr. Lucia saw the vision of the Virgin Mary point to where the sun should be as the apparition began. The storm clouds then split wide open to reveal a spinning sun throwing off all colors of the rainbow. All Portugese newspaper accounts said the sun spun in the sky as people stared into it without damage to their eyes as there was a silver spinning disc on front of the sun, not a UFO or U-2 or Speilberg special effects etc. but a flat, protective spinning disc overlaying exactly over the sun. The sun then plunged toward earth as people screammed thinking it was now the end of the world for them. They fell to their knees crying out.The newspapers later published the crowds reactions in pictures to his huge miracle. The sun stopped and then retreated back to it's original place and shown brightly so as none could looked at it with out hurting their eyes. Then all the crowd - not some - saw the ground was dusty beneath their formerly soggy shoes, bone dry. Their cloths were no longer drenched with water. All the witnesses and grounds were perfectly dry in a matter of minutes. The effect on the crowd and the media was staggering and electric. The basillica built there is a testiment to their eye witness acccounts written and published which can be read today. The the message of Fatima as written by Sr. Lucia are simple. The Virgin Mary said WW I would soon end and Russia would spread errors throughout the world. She also warned that nations would be annialated unless people stopped committing terrible crimes and sins. With Sr. Lucia's death at 97, I believe the future will hold a major "correction" by God for humanity. We'll see soon. We haven't learned much since 1917 about the sacredness of human life or Christian dignity and conduct. Rest in peace Sr. Lucia. Your work is done.
33 posted on 02/13/2005 5:43:20 PM PST by postvat
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To: Selkie

now you're learning.... get it here 1st


34 posted on 02/13/2005 6:11:56 PM PST by lunarbicep (If the opposite of pro is con, then whats the opposite of progress?)
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Catholic Ping - Come home for Easter and experience God’s merciful love. Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

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35 posted on 02/13/2005 6:29:28 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Cincinnatus; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Catholic Ping - Come home for Easter and experience God’s merciful love. Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

American Catholic - Lent Feature

36 posted on 02/13/2005 6:30:10 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Cincinnatus

Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
AFP ^ | Feb. 13, 2005

Posted on 02/13/2005 5:27:18 PM EST by Unam Sanctam


37 posted on 02/13/2005 6:32:10 PM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields aborted how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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FATIMA SEER STOOD AS MOST FAMOUS NUN IN WORLD, HER PASSING SEEN AS PROPHETIC

She was arguably (with St. Bernadette of Lourdes) the most famous Marian seer in history, a 97-year-old who had first seen the Blessed Mother in 1917 at the age of 10, with cousins Francisco, 9, and Jacinta, 7 -- whose deaths preceded her own by more than eighty years.

In all that time she had been cloistered in convents, most recently in Coimbra, Portugal, a Carmelite who had lived out her vocation in stunningly successful fashion -- never desiring publicity, never making claims beyond what the Blessed Mother told her, never appearing on TV -- not only the most famous seer of the twentieth century but with Mother Teresa of Calcutta the most famous nun in the world.

Her name was Lucia de Jesus dos Santos -- that was her given name once she became a religious (known too as Sister Lucy of the Immaculate Heart) -- and she was also recipient of the famous Third Secret of Fatima, her death Sunday, after several weeks of infirmity, no doubt impressing many who have closely followed such matters as of potential prophetic significance.

Although unusually healthy and agile -- physically and mentally -- during the past several years, Sister Lucia (born Lucia Abobora), and just weeks away from her 98th birthday, was known to suffer prolonged bouts with cold-like ailments in a cell that had to be warmed with a space heater, occasionally missing Mass. "She had been weak for several weeks and had not left her cell," Coimbra Bishop Albino Cleto told the Church's Radio Renascenca Sunday.

It was actually in 1915, in the midst of the chaos of World War I, that Sister Lucia and her cousins had their first supernatural experience.

"We were just about to start praying the Rosary when I saw, poised in the air above the trees that stretched down to the valley which lay at our feet, what appeared to be a cloud in human form," Lucia later wrote -- in prose becoming of a first-rate writer.

It looked like a statue made of snow or a person wrapped in a sheet, and turned out to be an angel who had come to announce the Blessed Mother.

So forceful was the presence of God, Lucia later recalled, that it "almost annihilated us." The angel came twice more before the famous 1917 apparitions of the Blessed Mother on land Lucia's father owned.

The angel had explained that God was deeply offended by the evil in the world and gave Lucia the words to a new prayer of reparation -- at one point handing them a chalice from which they drank the Blood of Jesus.

On May 13, 1917, the Virgin Mary herself appeared. "It was a lady dressed all in white," recalled Lucia, "more brilliant than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal glass filled with the most sparkling water and pierced by the burning rays of the sun."

The Blessed Mother was to appear almost every month until a final apparition on October 13, 1917 -- during which tens of thousands witnessed the "miracle of the sun."

Spinning and throwing off stupendous rays of crimson, causing reflections of green, red, orange, blue, and violet as it gyrated at least three times, the solar orb shuddered and began to plunge toward earth in zig-zag fashion -- convincing even observers who were secular reporters or atheists. At one point it rotated with a disc or Host at its center.

In her prophetic secrets, the Virgin told the Fatima seers -- most particularly Lucia, who conveyed the messages -- that World War I was about to end, but that if mankind did not repent, there would be a worse war to follow, one that would be announced by a "great sign." According to Sister Lucia, this occurred in 1938 when there was an extraordinary display of the aurora borealis from across Europe, from London to Africa, and across  North America, a display that struck terror into the hearts of many and was followed by entry into World War Two.

The Blessed Mother asked for consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart and Communion of reparation on the first Saturday of every month, and the seers were also given a prayer that would become part of the Rosary for many devout ("Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy").

The connection between evil in the world and world events was a watershed in Mariology. In her last 15 years, receiving visitors at Coimbra, Sister Lucia made clear that the requested consecration was fulfilled when in 1984 John Paul II -- who credited Our Lady of Fatima with saving his life when he was shot on her feast day of May 13, 1981 -- consecrated the world and implicitly Russia to her Immaculate Heart. When asked how she knew it had been accepted, Sister Lucia pointed to the phenomenal collapse of Communism right after the consecration and hinted that she still experienced communication from the Blessed Mother, who had affirmed it.

It was Russia that served as the main issue in the secrets, and on May 13, 2000, the Vatican began release of the Third Secret, which envisioned the shooting of a "bishop in white" (John Paul is the Bishop of Rome) and an angel ready to torch the world but halted from doing so by the Virgin.

The secret also symbolized the incredible suffering of those martyred under Communism; it was just weeks after the last Fatima apparition that Lenin assumed power in Russia, which the Blessed Mother had specifically named as ready to turn against God.

John Paul II has privately speculated that the fulfillment of Fatima is now at Medjugorje in Bosnia-Hercegovina, where seers have claimed to have received secrets since just after the 1981 shooting. Whether those secrets may soon begin to materialize, and whether Sister Lucia's death is a sign of the times -- an indication, along with major natural events, that the world is entering an exciting but precarious time -- are likely to preoccupy many of those who have followed the incredible story of Sister Lucia and her two cousins, who died in 1919 and 1920. Many are those who have believed that her death would foretell of major events that may now be on the horizon, her death on the 13th -- the anniversary day of those months when Mary did appear -- one more sign from Heaven.

[resources:  Sister Lucia's book, Calls From the Message of Fatima, The Final Hour,  Marian Apparitions of the Twentieth Century]

Fatima seer was 97

Lucia de Jesus dos Santos, the last of three children who claimed to see the Virgin at Fatima and who revealed a vision the Catholic Church said foretold the attempt to kill Pope John Paul, died on Sunday, the Church said.

Dos Santos, 97, who later became a nun, was the eldest of the shepherd children who in 1917 told of seeing apparitions of the Virgin Mary six times. She died at her Carmelite convent at Coimbra in central Portugal.

"She had been weak for several weeks and had not left her cell," Coimbra Bishop Albino Cleto told the Church's Radio Renascenca.

The Vatican interpreted one part of the visions as foretelling the attempt to kill the Pope and Communism's persecution of Christianity. The apparitions took place the same year as the Russian Revolution.

The Pope believes the Madonna of Fatima saved his life on May 13, 1981, when Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Agca nearly killed him in St Peter's Square. The shooting took place on one of the anniversaries of the 1917 apparitions.

In a sign of gratitude a year after the assassination attempt, the Pope had one of the 9mm bullets which Agca fired at him placed in the crown of the statue at Fatima.

"One hand fired the bullet and another guided it," the Pope once said of Agca's attempt to kill him.

Dos Santos was said by believers to be the main recipient of prophecies from the Virgin about key 20th century events.

The first two parts of the prophecies were known for decades. The first saw a vision of hell, the second predicted the outbreak of World War II.

But it was the third part, the so-called third secret of Fatima, which kept the world intrigued for more than 80 years.The Vatican revealed its interpretation of the vision during the Pope's visit to Fatima in May 2000 on the anniversary of the assassination attempt. One of her last public appearances was with the Pope at Fatima.

Dos Santos's recollection of the third part of the visions, which she wrote down in 1944, saw "a bishop dressed in white (and) we had the impression that it was the Holy Father."

As the vision continued, the children say the Pope reaching the top of a mountain where "he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him."

Before the Vatican unveiled the vision, papal envoys visited Dos Santos in her cloistered convent to seek her opinion of the Vatican's interpretation and her permission to reveal it.

"She repeated her conviction that the vision of Fatima concerns above all the struggle of atheistic communism against the Church and against Christians, and describes the terrible sufferings of the victims of the faith in 20th century," a Vatican document said in 2000.

The document went on to say: "When asked: 'Is the principal figure in the vision the Pope?' Sister Lucia replied at once that it was.

Dos Santos was born the youngest of seven children in a peasant family in Aljustrel, a village in central Portugal.

The events at Fatima unfolded against a backdrop of religious persecution under anti-clerical factions that ruled Portugal after the overthrow of the monarchy in 1910.

In 1916 she experienced her first vision, when an angel appeared to the children, she wrote in her memoirs.

On May 13, 1917, the Virgin Mary appeared to her and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marta on an oak tree. On her last appearance before an estimated 50,000 onlookers, witnesses claim to have experienced a 15-minute spectacle of bright lights and rainbow colors.

In her memoirs, dos Santos said the Virgin Mary appeared to the children six times in 1917. Jacinta and Francisco died in the influenza pandemic in 1919 and 1920.

The two were beatified, the last step to sainthood, by Pope John Paul during his Fatima visit in 2000.

One of her last visitors was actor Mel Gibson, director of the 2004 movie "The Passion of The Christ." He met her at the convent in July 2004 and gave her a DVD of his movie.


38 posted on 02/13/2005 6:33:20 PM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields aborted how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: i_dont_chat

I believe that it was much more than 1,000 AND, it was raining but many people came anyway to see this miracle.

After the miracle which people thought they were going to die with the sun spinning and falling, the muddy ground was dry and the people's clothes were dry. As if it never rained!

So, yes it was a miracle.


39 posted on 02/13/2005 6:45:58 PM PST by It's me
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To: sevry
But yes, compared with FR and weblogs, Drudge does seem like he plays catch-up more and more.

This story was listed on FR:
1 posted on 02/13/2005 1:31:31 PM PST by lindsey_123

Drudge still doesn't have this major news event listed at 10 PM EDT.

40 posted on 02/13/2005 6:56:08 PM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: Cincinnatus

I am sure I remember reading that the Blessed Mother told Lucia not only that Francisco and Jacinta would die young but that she would live to see the end times. This must be it.


41 posted on 02/13/2005 6:56:30 PM PST by MomwithHope
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To: Coleus

"John Paul II has privately speculated that the fulfillment of Fatima is now at Medjugorje in Bosnia-Hercegovina, where seers have claimed to have received secrets since just after the 1981 shooting."

With all the controversy surrounding Medjugorje, I find it compelling that JPII has indeed speculated that the alleged appartions in Bosnia could very well be the fulfillment of Fatima. I'm really intrigued by that!!!


42 posted on 02/13/2005 7:07:25 PM PST by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: bitt

There is also the third secret of Fatima, I wonder what that is about.


43 posted on 02/13/2005 7:11:17 PM PST by Burlem
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To: cyborg; NYer; Petronski

Wow. I just read that, too. Prayers sent.


44 posted on 02/13/2005 7:12:58 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: NYer

May she rest in peace.


46 posted on 02/13/2005 7:17:16 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Prolifeconservative
With all the controversy surrounding Medjugorje, I find it compelling that JPII has indeed speculated that the alleged appartions in Bosnia could very well be the fulfillment of Fatima. I'm really intrigued by that!!!

John Paul II never speculated any such thing. Medjugorje has never been approved by the Church, even after three commission investigations.

Here. Read what the current bishop, Bishop Peric, said just last summer:

Fifthly, the "seers" who see visions on a daily basis and the endless apparitions themselves (33,333 to date, nor it there any risk of my being mistaken, for there is no end to the numbers or the "visions") are more in the nature of a religious show and a spectacle for the world than a true and faithful witness to the peace and unity of the Faith and love for the Church. Who can fail to see that these endlessly multiplying numbers should not be taken seriously? Shall we change our Catholic orthodoxy for fantastical superstition?

Source .

47 posted on 02/13/2005 7:17:49 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: Cincinnatus

Every believer is a saint. Nobody is better than another.


48 posted on 02/13/2005 7:18:20 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: bitt

False prophecy doesn't exactly make one popular with the Almighty.


49 posted on 02/13/2005 7:21:09 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Cincinnatus
(Is it true that over 1,000 people at the time witnessed what they thought was the Sun, moving in, above their heads, looking like a huge UFO? And that had a lot to do with the Church accepting the miracle?)

Let me add a little bit from memory. A miracle was prophesied at least a month in advance to the exact minute. As it turned out it was the miracle of the sun. 60,000 people showed up on a completely overcast horrible rainy day. They were all soaked. Some were atheist, there to debunk, to include a NY times reporter.

Breakes in the cloud cover occurred and then the sun display lasted for several minutes. It was described as it danced and cavorted across the skies to radiate showers of brightly colored offshoots much like a 4 July spin wheel. (some one help with the name.)The final scene was the sun plunging to earth. The crowd thought they were goners. When it was all over the skies cleared. All were dry.

The NY Time atheist reporter submitted a major story accurately. It was given front page coverage at the time. I am certain that there is a talented freeper that could find that report.

Godspeed, The Dilg
50 posted on 02/13/2005 7:25:09 PM PST by thedilg
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