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Iraq Winners Allied With Iran Are the Opposite of U.S. Vision
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, February 14, 2005 | By Robin Wright

Posted on 02/13/2005 10:17:48 PM PST by F14 Pilot

When the Bush administration decided to invade Iraq two years ago, it envisioned a quick handover to handpicked allies in a secular government that would be the antithesis of Iran's theocracy -- potentially even a foil to Tehran's regional ambitions.

But, in one of the greatest ironies of the U.S. intervention, Iraqis instead went to the polls and elected a government with a strong religious base -- and very close ties to the Islamic republic next door. It is the last thing the administration expected from its costly Iraq policy -- $300 billion and counting, U.S. and regional analysts say.

Yesterday, the White House heralded the election and credited the U.S. role. In a statement, President Bush praised Iraqis "for defying terrorist threats and setting their country on the path of democracy and freedom. And I congratulate every candidate who stood for election and those who will take office once the results are certified."

Yet the top two winning parties -- which together won more than 70 percent of the vote and are expected to name Iraq's new prime minister and president -- are Iran's closest allies in Iraq.

Thousands of members of the United Iraqi Alliance, a Shiite-dominated slate that won almost half of the 8.5 million votes and will name the prime minister, spent decades in exile in Iran. Most of the militia members in its largest faction were trained in Shiite-dominated Iran.

And the winning Kurdish alliance, whose co-leader Jalal Talabani is the top nominee for president, has roots in a province abutting Iran, which long served as its economic and political lifeline.

"This is a government that will have very good relations with Iran. The Kurdish victory reinforces this conclusion. Talabani is very close to Tehran," said Juan Cole, a

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allies; america; bush; democracy; election; freedom; iran; iraq; iraqidemocracy; iraqielection; military; us; usa

1 posted on 02/13/2005 10:17:52 PM PST by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot

We need the Post to point out the obvious? Democracy for the Middle East = Secular governments....a real pickle. I say develop an alternative energy to oil and let's bug out of there in the long run.


2 posted on 02/13/2005 10:21:11 PM PST by CitizenHelper
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To: F14 Pilot

Boy, the Post is just churning out derrogatory articles 24/7, aren't they?


3 posted on 02/13/2005 10:22:06 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: F14 Pilot

the poor Post.

Our vision was to let the people of Iraq vote for the government they decided they wanted.

That was really it.

I know they can't believe it's something so simple.


4 posted on 02/13/2005 10:26:20 PM PST by mhx
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To: F14 Pilot

One of the guys at the top of this 'anti-US' list is Chalabi who was accused by these same media morons as being a US puppet for the last few years.


5 posted on 02/13/2005 10:26:29 PM PST by GeronL (The Old Media is at war with the New Media...... We are all Matt Drudges now.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Isn't Robin Wright the Post's fashion editor? Who let her into the news section?


6 posted on 02/13/2005 10:28:24 PM PST by caspera
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To: caspera

Obviously the Post is hoping for the worst. How awful if Iraq proves Bush right by becoming a regime hostile to the autocrats who run the Arab league!


7 posted on 02/13/2005 10:32:08 PM PST by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: F14 Pilot

There they go quoting Juan Cole again. I can spot his name in an article and then tell you what the message of the piece will be. NYTimes, WaPo ... MAN! that guy makes the rounds!

"It'll NEVER work", you say? Yeah, I got that, already. Thanks, Juan. NEXT! [rolleyes]


8 posted on 02/13/2005 10:32:16 PM PST by OkiMusashi (Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
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To: F14 Pilot

Bump for later ....


9 posted on 02/13/2005 10:33:04 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: F14 Pilot
If I had to choose between placing trust in the people of Iran or those of Saudi Arabia ----- there is NO QUESTION, I would choose Iran..

Iran at least is attempting to crawl out from under the lunatic clerics --- In Saudi Arabia they appear to be supporting and following the will of the Wahhabi lunatics..

Semper Fi
10 posted on 02/13/2005 10:33:56 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: CitizenHelper
The Washington Post, as is its wont, has failed to inform you that a major tenet of the Shi'a faith is the separation of church and state. The spiritual leader of the Iraqi Shi'a, al-Sistani has made that very clear.

They don't tell you that the mullahcracy in Iran is the exception, not the rule.

You are free to believe the Post, however, if you wish...

11 posted on 02/13/2005 10:35:00 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: F14 Pilot
I gotta say, if the Washington Post says it's bad, Man, it's just got to be good.

Dear, the puppy needs to go--put down some more Washington Post.

12 posted on 02/13/2005 10:37:51 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: river rat

I agree. There are many educated folks in Iran that had a good life inder the Shah. Unfortunately a minority gained control and has held fast. If any country can make democracy work in the ME it is Iran. Give them 8-10 years?


13 posted on 02/13/2005 10:38:34 PM PST by CitizenHelper
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To: river rat

exactly!

That is a big difference between secular people of Iran and the silly radicals in the Arab world.

I have a German friend who travelled to Iran 3 years ago and he told me, Iran is like europe of the middle east. People are secular and they are very chic and modern.

I was surprised by his quotes


14 posted on 02/13/2005 10:39:27 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: mhx
Democracy does have a moderating influence on a state which is always a good thing. However, a government press(ing) for Islamic law to be incorporated in the new constitution. may not be good for the US.

In the Old Days the CIA would have gone in deposed Saddam and installed a puppet. It may not have been pretty but it would keep the peace in the region.

15 posted on 02/13/2005 10:39:29 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: F14 Pilot
This article was on the front page of the NYT:
The Shiite leaders say there is a similar but less formal agreement that clerics will also be excluded from running the government ministries. "There will be no turbans in the government," said Adnan Ali, a senior leader of the Dawa Party, one of the largest Shiite parties. "Everyone agrees on that."
Anti-Iraq leftists and paleocons are trying to spin the election results as a defeat for Bush, that is the trendy new thing to do. In fact, the leaders of the main Shi'ite coalition said they intended for secular rule. Their slogan is:
There will be no turbans [clerics] in the government
I won't believe that the new Shi'ite rulers of Iraq are going to create a theocracy until I see it. Until then, I'll take them at their word.
16 posted on 02/13/2005 10:40:04 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: mhx

Author can not understand the basic values of freedom and democracy and freedom to choose.

She should be sent to college again!


17 posted on 02/13/2005 10:40:51 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: OkiMusashi
There they go quoting Juan Cole again. I can spot his name in an article and then tell you what the message of the piece will be.

Yup. I've seen his name pop up all over. He was the first to discover that the Iraqi elections were actually bad for Bush </sarcasm> He's been saying that the Shi'ites will turn the country into an Islamofascist state (although he wouldn't use that term because it's declasse)

18 posted on 02/13/2005 10:41:50 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: F14 Pilot

If, on the 1st day of the offical gov't they all wore stetsons, the Post etal woild blow a gasket. It would be so funny. I can hope, can't I?


19 posted on 02/13/2005 11:08:04 PM PST by Waco
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To: mhx
I know they can't believe it's something so simple.

I'm not sure it is that simple. We don't want the resulting government to be hostile to the U.S.

That said, I also don't buy much of what the Washington Post spins on anything. Also, it is still an unfolding situation. The party with the most power may be a religous islamic sympathetic goverment, but they have not yet become totalitarian.

What the post is doing is predicting the future one day after the results of the election. That is not news. That is opinion. Was the article written as an editorial? I did not look.

20 posted on 02/13/2005 11:14:21 PM PST by BJungNan (Please stand by while I think up a new one...)
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To: F14 Pilot
Hi F14 Pilot. Thanks for all the pings. I'm trying to catchup.

I've learned to ALWAYS take note of who is giving me the news. Remember this is the notorious Robin Wright. Remember her? The promoter of reformer, smiling, Gorbechuv-mullah Khatami. Disregard everything she says. Time always proves these dimwits wrong.
21 posted on 02/13/2005 11:43:50 PM PST by parisa
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To: xm177e2

Check out Juan Cole's looney lefty blog sometime. He was bemoaning the Iraqi elections until he figured out a way where he could make them look bad for Bush. It's really sad, because whatever other expertise the man has gets gobbled up in his utter hatred of the administration.


22 posted on 02/13/2005 11:57:26 PM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: xm177e2
"There will be no turbans in the government,"

I was "discussing" this with someone from my church at a party when he said "Now Bush just got us another ayatollah in Iraq".

I explained to the guy that Sistani is a religious leader, but is also into separation of the church and state. But, the new constitution will be put together in view of their faith - but not under "sharia law" (sp?). I said: much like our founder fathers - they want to base the rules of their country on the rules of their faith. And I think (hope) that because the various factions have to ratify the constitution, it will need to be a fair contract. It may not be easy - just like our Constitution wasn't easy with all of the various states, etc. (Wasn't it Thomas Paine who refused to go to the continental congress saying "I smell a rat"?)
23 posted on 02/13/2005 11:58:14 PM PST by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: parisa

Actually I have been following her books and articles on Iran and I know what she has done!


24 posted on 02/14/2005 12:07:19 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Would these be the same leaders who fought an 8 year war with Iran ? Someone at the post needs to do a little 80's history studying.


25 posted on 02/14/2005 12:23:25 AM PST by John Lenin (Moral decay is running rampant and good people do nothing)
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To: John Lenin

I doubt Iraqis ever want to invade another countries again


26 posted on 02/14/2005 1:06:30 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Howlin

Well, the Post is verifying that we did not rig the election.


27 posted on 02/14/2005 1:08:47 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: caspera

Some one called in sick?


28 posted on 02/14/2005 1:09:31 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: F14 Pilot
Of course, the Post isn't spinning anything or outright distorting facts in an attempt to make the U.S. efforst in Iraq look like a bad thing.

They would never do that, would they?

29 posted on 02/14/2005 1:11:29 AM PST by Allegra ("They Just Love to Walk in the Middle of the Road!")
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To: F14 Pilot
She should be sent to college again!

Would it do any good the next time around?
30 posted on 02/14/2005 1:11:41 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: F14 Pilot

The Washington Post is turning into a grocery store rag. Didn't Rummy just nail them in a lie or exaggeration last Sunday ? I guess credibility means nothing to a newspaper anymore as long as you remain loyal to the RAT party.


31 posted on 02/14/2005 1:11:56 AM PST by John Lenin (Moral decay is running rampant and good people do nothing)
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To: F14 Pilot

Oh why didnt we just leave the noble savage Saddam alone ....Im sure after he had taken a few billion $ and helped Osama and his friends kill a mill people he would have listened to reason... now we have to deal with that horrid democracy stuff ...woe is me.


32 posted on 02/14/2005 1:25:51 AM PST by woofie
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To: F14 Pilot

Is it a quagmire yet? Is it a quagmire yet?


33 posted on 02/14/2005 6:03:56 AM PST by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: F14 Pilot

"Author can not understand the basic values of freedom and democracy and freedom to choose. "

Democracy does not inherently lead to a positive outcome, Hitler was democratically elected for instance. Hugo Chavez was recently elected in Venezuala.


34 posted on 02/14/2005 11:14:23 AM PST by optik_b (follow the money)
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To: mhx

This is what was most feared by Brent Scowcroft and other's who advised against the rush to war. Now that Iran is close to having nuclear weapons, I wonder where the new Shia dominated Iraq will position itself.


35 posted on 02/14/2005 11:40:13 AM PST by optik_b (follow the money)
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To: okie01
The Washington Post, as is its wont, has failed to inform you that a major tenet of the Shi'a faith is the separation of church and state. The spiritual leader of the Iraqi Shi'a, al-Sistani has made that very clear.

Doesn't seem to have stopped him from getting involved in politics, though.

36 posted on 02/17/2005 10:32:29 AM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest
Doesn't seem to have stopped him from getting involved in politics, though.

Well, yes, it has.

Unsurprisingly, he lent his support to the UIA ticket. But don't we have bishops and preachers freely expressing their political preferences in America, too.

And he himself is not running for office, nor has he expressed any interest in a government position. Plus, he has vocally promoted the concept of separation.

37 posted on 02/17/2005 11:41:33 AM PST by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: okie01
Unsurprisingly, he lent his support to the UIA ticket.

Which is now running the show, pretty much.

But don't we have bishops and preachers freely expressing their political preferences in America, too.

For the most part they confine themselves to particular moral issues, like abortion and same-sex "marriage". In any case, none of them have the influence that he has. Recall that the elections themselves were his idea. Our plan was to have their constitution drawn up by an appointed committee, but he issued a fatwa insisting that there should be elections, and got his way. He is definitely a big player.

And he himself is not running for office, nor has he expressed any interest in a government position. Plus, he has vocally promoted the concept of separation.

His concept of separation is very different from ours. It only means that religious leaders don't directly assume office. It does not mean that they don't get heavily involved, as his actions amply demonstrate.

38 posted on 02/17/2005 2:00:53 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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