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Mourning for Fatima seer (Portugal declares day of mourning)
Reuters ^ | Mon Feb 14, 2005

Posted on 02/14/2005 12:42:05 PM PST by nickcarraway

LISBON (Reuters) - Portugal has declared Tuesday a day of mourning and politicians have cut back election campaigning to mark the death of Lucia de Jesus dos Santos, the last of three children who claimed to have seen the Virgin Mary at Fatima.

Dos Santos, who as a child in 1917 described visions which, decades later, the Catholic Church said foretold the attempt to kill Pope John Paul in 1981, died aged 97 on Sunday at her Carmelite convent in Coimbra, 150 km (95 miles) north of Lisbon.

She is to be buried at the convent on Tuesday and her remains will be transferred in a year to nearby Fatima, one of Catholicism's major pilgrimage sites.

Prime Minister Pedro Santana Lopes late on Sunday declared Tuesday a day of national mourning.

"I believe that Sister Lucia is a great figure in the recent history of Portugal," Santana Lopes said in remarks carried on TSF radio. A spokesman said he might attend the funeral.

Portugal holds snap elections on Sunday but Santana Lopes' centre-right Social Democrats and their coalition partner the rightist Popular Party suspended their campaigns on Monday and Tuesday because of the death.

The opposition Socialists, who are well ahead in opinion polls, said they would scale back their campaign activities.

Dos Santos was said by believers to be the main recipient of prophecies from the Virgin about key 20th century events. The first part of the prophecies saw a vision of hell, the second predicted the outbreak of World War Two.

The Vatican interpreted a third part of the visions as foretelling the attempt to kill the Pope and Communism's persecution of Christianity.

The Church kept the details secret for decades until they was revealed during the Pope's visit to Fatima in 2000.

The other two children, dos Santos' cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto, died in 1919 and 1920. The two were beatified, the last step to sainthood, in 2000.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; fatima; lucia; lucy; portugal; secret; sisterlucia; sisterlucy; socialists; thirdsecret

1 posted on 02/14/2005 12:42:09 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Oh my. I didn't know this had happened.

Rest in peace, Sister Lucia.

2 posted on 02/14/2005 12:42:47 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: nickcarraway

RIP


3 posted on 02/14/2005 12:46:44 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: nickcarraway
"The Church kept the details secret for decades until they was revealed during the Pope's visit to Fatima in 2000. "

Wasn't there some controversy over this? It turned out the third secret was nothing earth shattering- so why all the hush-hush for so many years?

4 posted on 02/14/2005 12:47:40 PM PST by Mr. K (this space for rent)
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To: Mr. K

It seems an unlikely reason to keep secret for so long. Sorry, but I think we were purposely misled about #3.


5 posted on 02/14/2005 12:53:14 PM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: theDentist

I wondered if #3 was 9-11??


6 posted on 02/14/2005 12:55:47 PM PST by sierrahome ( Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?)
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To: nickcarraway

I'm glad to see that next year,Sister Lucia will be buried in Fatima,with her two little cousins. I can almost see the home-coming she got,not only from her mother and father,but from Jacinto and Francisco. RIP.


7 posted on 02/14/2005 12:56:52 PM PST by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: sierrahome

Rumors were always that it was about nuclear war, I don't think 9/11 was bad enough for what they used to say it was. Either that or a massive meteor strike.

Problem is by now there's no way on Earth to know what she really said. It's a shame, no need to keep these mysteries.


8 posted on 02/14/2005 12:57:08 PM PST by G32
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To: theDentist

Not true. And why would "we" be "purposely" misled? Sorry if I misjudged your comments but I for one,as a Roman Catholic am sick and tired of the lies and half-truths being put out by anti-Catholics.


9 posted on 02/14/2005 12:59:19 PM PST by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: theDentist
VATICAN (CWNews.com) -- On Monday, June 26, 2000 the Vatican released the full text of the "third secret" of Fatima.

The "third secret was written down by Sister Lucia, the only survivor among the three children to whom the Virgin Mary appeared at Fatima in 1917. Sister Lucia-- now a Carmelite nun-- wrote down the text in 1944, at the request of the local bishop. The following is the full text of the "third secret" in its original translation:

"I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

"After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendor that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: "Penance, Penance, Penance!"

"And we saw in an immense light that is God: "something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it" a Bishop dressed in White "we had the impression that it was the Holy Father."

"Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way;

"having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions.

"Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspergilium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God."

10 posted on 02/14/2005 1:04:24 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Lady In Blue
Speaking as a Protestant, a lot of us are sick of Catholic bashing, too. We have far more to agree about than disagree at a time when all of Christendom is under concerted attack.
11 posted on 02/14/2005 1:05:37 PM PST by katana
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To: nickcarraway

I am very impressed that Portugal has declared this a day of mourning. Thanks for posting this.


12 posted on 02/14/2005 1:14:16 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Lady In Blue
I am Catholic.
13 posted on 02/14/2005 1:14:25 PM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: Lady In Blue

There are several websites that put forth the theory that two envelopes that were taken to Rome when the Third vision was taken there. The one published and a smaller one. Read the threads from yesterday. As with all conspiracy theories some of it is rather interesting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=fatima


14 posted on 02/14/2005 1:21:19 PM PST by MKM1960
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To: nickcarraway

She has led a saintly life for many years. God rest her soul.

Although perhaps it shouldn't be, this is a political event of a sort. The apparition of Our Lady at Fatima happened at a time when Portuguese socialists (read Communists) were threatening to take over the country and persecute Christians, much as they did in Spain during the Civil War.

Among its other effect, Fatima seems to have staved off the worst excesses of socialism in Portugal. I haven't followed the current election, but given what recently happened in Spain after the train bombings it will be interesting to see how this election turns out.


15 posted on 02/14/2005 1:21:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lady In Blue

If the Church decided that revealing the secret was not in it's best interest (public opinion, money, alliances), yes, it would mislead.


16 posted on 02/14/2005 1:29:03 PM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: theDentist
Me too, Dentist. AND I can't see where the published 3rd secret, as I interpret it, says anything about a "failed assassination attempt" on this Pope. Quite the contrary...

sw

17 posted on 02/14/2005 1:29:26 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: nickcarraway

Pray for us St Lucia. Thank you for all of your hard work and prayers for us here on Earth.


18 posted on 02/14/2005 2:26:39 PM PST by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: spectre

When you read the third secret it seems to me that it is still in the future. It speaks about several people being killed, not just the Pope. It also talks about them being killed by soldiers which is plural and points to more than one assassin. Who knows maybe what it is referring to is full out religious war with Islam. That makes more sense than the interpretation about the Papal assassination attempt.


19 posted on 02/14/2005 2:48:06 PM PST by foolscap
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To: EllaMinnow

Ping

I had not heard that she had passed on.


20 posted on 02/14/2005 2:49:02 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper

This is kind of weird.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1343082/posts


21 posted on 02/14/2005 3:01:36 PM PST by cmsgop ( Bridezilla Looks Hungry)
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To: nickcarraway
I pray that the mourning, and the respect, for Sister Lucy is more than clannish and cultural. I pray they take what she recorded to heart, as true, as meaningful, as something to be done and to be addressed. But a 'socialist-Dem'? Would they do that? Would the Communist opposition? Commies kill priests and nuns. They gun them down in cold blood, as was seen in the much heralded war in Spain in the 30s, where the Commie side was lauded by the trendy artists of the day.

I suppose, at one level, is it GOOD that Portugal remembers not just its own, because I hope it's far more than that, but God and His Church - if they do. Because if they do, then the Portuguese are true to themselves and their history. And if so, then the time of mourning really does mean something in a dark continent, where the light of faith seems almost extinguished.

22 posted on 02/14/2005 3:12:43 PM PST by sevry
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To: foolscap
I agree, however...consider that we aren't supposed to take the Third Secret as a "prophecy", rather as a "vision" of the past. The Church doesn't want us to take the words "literally" but would rather we take them symbolically. I kid you not.

You can "google" and read Cardinal Ratzinger's interpretation of the Third Secret. Judge for yourself :~)

23 posted on 02/14/2005 3:13:52 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: nickcarraway; All

DAMN she was still alive?

I thought she was died long time ago

RIP Sister Lucia


24 posted on 02/14/2005 3:16:04 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: SevenofNine

Her brother and sister died in 1919 and 1920. (influenza)


25 posted on 02/14/2005 3:17:24 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Reuters showed its anti-Catholic bias by calling Sister Lucia a Fatima "seer." Would it have killed them to call her a Fatima "witness"?


26 posted on 02/14/2005 4:03:45 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Coleus

*PING*


27 posted on 02/14/2005 4:03:59 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

At least they called her Lucia de Jesus dos Santos, not "Lucia Marto," like the AP did.


28 posted on 02/14/2005 4:05:42 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Maybe they called her a seer because the apparition spoke of the eventually downfall of communism?


29 posted on 02/14/2005 4:40:43 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: nickcarraway
Tribulation chronology: Quatrain X.72, deception and fulfillment
30 posted on 02/14/2005 4:41:05 PM PST by Truth666 (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Proof+that+at+least+one+of+two%22)
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To: nickcarraway
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97

SISTER LUCIA RIP

LAST OF CHILDREN WHO CLAIMED TO SEE VIRGIN MARY DIES AT 97

Last child who claimed to see "Virgin Mary" dies

Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)

Mourning for Fatima seer (Portugal declares day of mourning)

31 posted on 02/14/2005 5:09:03 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: spectre; Lady In Blue

I have seen a picture (painting) of this scenario somewhere. It is breathtaking. Do either of you know of one?


32 posted on 02/14/2005 5:12:39 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: nickcarraway

Requiem aeternam dona ei Domine. Et lux perpetua luceat ei. Requiescat in pace. Amen.
Anima eius et animae omnium fidelium defunctorum per misericordiam Dei reqiescant in pace. Amen.

33 posted on 02/14/2005 5:55:22 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Salvation
Go to www.saintandrew.com

Then "click" on "Dr. Petrisko gives talk in Philadelphia about the Third Secret of Fatima and the World Trade Center." Because of the importance of this message, the entire 40 minute talk may be listened to entirely online.

You will see this fantastic painting you mentioned when you "click" Dr. Petrisko....sw

34 posted on 02/14/2005 6:17:04 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Salvation

PS..the artists name is Christopher Pelicano.


35 posted on 02/14/2005 6:18:48 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: theDentist; spectre; Dajjal

Excerpted from today's Inside the Vatican -

http://www.insidethevatican.com/latest-newsflash.htm

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In a May 12 letter to Pope John Paul in 1982, Sister Lucy wrote: "The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady's words: 'If not [consecrated and converted] she (Russia) will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated' (July 13, 1917)... And let us not say that it is God who is punishing us in this way; on the contrary it is people themselves who are preparing their own punishment. In his kindness God warns us and calls us to the right path, while respecting the freedom he has given us; hence people are responsible."

--snip--

Asked in 1980 why the Secret had yet to be released, Pope John Paul II told a German audience:

"Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the worldwide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my Predecessors in the Chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication.

"On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much: if there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish ... there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message.

"Many want to know merely out of curiosity, or because of their taste for sensationalism, but they forget that 'to know' implies for them a responsibility. It is dangerous to want to satisfy one's curiosity only, if one is convinced that we can do nothing against a catastrophe that has been predicted."


36 posted on 02/14/2005 6:57:46 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nickcarraway

They were her cousins. They were told that they would not live long but that Lucia would live a very long time.

The body of the youngest, Jacinta, is incorrupt even though it was sprinkled with lime to aid in decomposition.


37 posted on 02/14/2005 7:09:51 PM PST by It's me
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To: nickcarraway

I hear that story

The brother and sister or cousin died during flu outbreak of 1919 she went into convent couple years later where she spent rest of her life at


38 posted on 02/14/2005 7:12:24 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: G32

Didn't they come out and say there was an asteroid that has a chance of hitting earth in 2029?


39 posted on 02/14/2005 7:16:21 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: katana

Thank you,katana for your kind words. I agree wholeheartedly with you. It's about time that all practicing and sincere Christians join forces to fight the forces of evil in the world.


40 posted on 02/14/2005 7:20:04 PM PST by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"...it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much: if there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish ... there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message. "

You know, I've read this about 5 times and what I get from it is: "We'll tell you only what we think you should know. And if in that message from Heaven we've been told that millions will die and it cannot be prevented, then there's no point in warning you. So shut up."

41 posted on 02/14/2005 7:24:17 PM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: theDentist

The disturbing part is that doing so directly defies the Blessed Mother's wishes. It doesn't matter what mortal men think. When Heaven gives you a request, you do it. There should be no second guessing.


42 posted on 02/14/2005 7:39:23 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Exactly!

sw

43 posted on 02/15/2005 7:53:40 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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