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Panel debunks theory Lincoln was gay (homosexual)
The Lincoln Courier ^ | February 14, 2005 | Paul Ayars

Posted on 02/15/2005 12:39:46 PM PST by DBeers

BY PAUL AYARS THE COURIER

Attempting to discredit a recently developed theory, a panel of four distinguished Lincoln historians declared Sunday that Abraham Lincoln was not homosexual.

The panelists, here for Lincoln College's 140th anniversary Charter Day observation, were guest speaker Edwin Bearss, an honorary degree recipient in history from the college; Cullom Davis curator of the Lincoln Legal Papers at the University of Illinois-Springfield; Ralph Gary and Ronald White.

The historians' views against Lincoln being homosexual won warm applause from an audience largely made up of invited representatives of 10 Illinois Civil War roundtables.

The homosexual theory emerged in a published best-selling work that White, author of "Lincoln's Greatest Speech," based on Lincoln's second inaugural address, said Sunday was not done by a historian.

"The argument would not hold up" to historical scrutiny, said Davis, professor of history emeritus at the University of Illinois in Springfield.

"This ridiculous thesis can't hold any water," Gary said.

Bearss said the jist of the contending author's argument is that Lincoln slept with other men.

"It was rather common for men to sleep together in that day" to stay warm and maximize space and accommodations, he said.

Bearss, a Civil War expert, gave his address staccato-style as the panel held the audience's attention throughout a two-hour recognition of the college's 140th anniversary weekend. The 16th president's 196th birthday was Saturday.

Introducing the panel Sunday, moderator Paul Beaver, professor emeritus at the college, recalled President Kennedy saying at a White House meeting, "This is the greatest gathering of talent ... since Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

He commended Davis' exhaustive work researching Lincoln's legal papers.

"He's never gotten the recognition he deserves," Beaver said of Davis. The legal papers is a collection of court documents and legal records in which Lincoln played a part while practicing law in the old Eighth Judicial Circuit. The collection will be among Abraham Lincoln Library and Museum documents.

"Lincoln was a speaker more than a writer," Davis said, saying, by example, that in 1863 he directed the slow, deliberate reading of a speech in Springfield that he was unable to give.

"It showed the power of Lincoln's words," he said.

"His words live and will continue to live," White said.

Davis said Lincoln's commitment to holding the union together and insisting on elections even during the Civil War when Lincoln doubted his own re-election showed Lincoln's character and commitment to democracy.

"Words were fiercely important to Lincoln. I hope they matter to us," he said.

"Why should he be remembered? Why shouldn't he be?" Gary said. "Everybody loves a success story. His was the greatest."

A Texas attorney and author of "Following in Lincoln's Footsteps," Gary also was guest speaker at a Looking for Lincoln of Logan County luncheon Saturday at the Maple Club.

Gary said Lincoln "was one of the poorest trained presidents in our history. He came (to Illinois) as a country bumpkin and left on the threshold of greatness." He the nurturing of public awareness of Lincoln heritage where Lincoln practiced law and campaigned as a candidate

Lincoln portrayer Charlie Ott of Lincoln and the family of the late Harry Hahn of Mount Pulaski, who portrayed Lincoln, received framed pictures of themselves while portraying Lincoln.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abelincoln; abrahamlincoln; biggayabe; homosexualagenda; lincoln; presidents

1 posted on 02/15/2005 12:39:46 PM PST by DBeers
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

ping


2 posted on 02/15/2005 12:40:45 PM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers

I guess the 'everyone important was gay' crowd will have to target someone else. I'll bet they have a list.


3 posted on 02/15/2005 12:42:25 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: DBeers
Oh, my goodness! These people are PATHETIC!

Everyone who fought in the Civil War must have been 'gay' then, too.......those cozy little white tents and all.

SHEESH!!

4 posted on 02/15/2005 12:43:32 PM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: fortunecookie

As one Freeper said, "Are you gay? No? Well you will be in 100 years when you an't defend yourself and someone is writing bunko history".


5 posted on 02/15/2005 12:46:00 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: DBeers; scripter; Clint N. Suhks; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Mockingbird For Short; SweetCaroline; ...

BTTT


6 posted on 02/15/2005 12:46:33 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: DBeers

Perhaps attempts to misdirect from more notable historic figures?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%F6hm


7 posted on 02/15/2005 12:48:23 PM PST by deepFR
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To: DBeers

Memo to Homo Nation:

Just save yourselves some time and just give us the short list of who you think WASN'T gay...


8 posted on 02/15/2005 12:49:19 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: fortunecookie
According to homosexuals, everyone is gay - just that we've all repressed "out inner selves." (sarcastic laugh).
9 posted on 02/15/2005 12:49:32 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
LOL!! And you know, all the 'good' ones really were gay, honest, they just didn't know it or were afraid to come out because of the homophobe environment of those hateful people... (I can't go on...)

Aaaaahh, the bunko history writers, the Jerry Springers of the supposed 'literate', distorting history and truth for us all. And we don't even have to ask them! Everyone loves a 'scandal', I guess.

10 posted on 02/15/2005 12:49:53 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: DBeers
People that re-wright history to further their own agenda are sick.
11 posted on 02/15/2005 12:49:56 PM PST by mammer
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To: 45Auto

LOL -I am actually a male lesbian...


12 posted on 02/15/2005 12:50:40 PM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers

Pssst Lincoln was in NJ, pass it on!


13 posted on 02/15/2005 12:50:45 PM PST by funkywbr
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To: ohioWfan
Everyone who fought in the Civil War must have been 'gay' then, too.......those cozy little white tents and all.

Nope. The tents would have been pastel colors coordinated to match the uniforms. ;-)

14 posted on 02/15/2005 12:52:40 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: 45Auto
LOL! See my #10. Yes, repressed or in denial or afraid of the homophobes. Yada yada yada. They'll really go to any lengths. (Sarcastic laughter from me, too.)

Funny how it doesn't work in reverse, isn't it? None of the gays, okay, except Anne Heche, are repressed straight people, afraid to change their lifestyle. Hmmm.

According to homosexuals, everyone is gay - just that we've all repressed "out inner selves."

Sadly, they're working overtime to convince little children, who should be allowed to be children, of this very thing.

15 posted on 02/15/2005 12:54:24 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: DBeers

So now they'll be just the Log Republicans?


16 posted on 02/15/2005 12:56:23 PM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: peyton randolph
LOL! And I'm sure the officers got the fuschia because they were special.....
17 posted on 02/15/2005 12:57:27 PM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: mammer

Wow.

By your estimation, there are LOTS of sick people out there. A few of them are gay.


18 posted on 02/15/2005 12:58:36 PM PST by dmz
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To: ohioWfan
And I'm sure the officers got the fuschia because they were special.....

I don't even want to think about the Rear Admiral's uniform. ;-)

19 posted on 02/15/2005 12:59:55 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: DBeers

Unfortunately, real scholarly research won't get an eighth of the attention the the media that pseudo history that proclaims a revered entity, homosexuality, to be in a figure like Lincoln.

Put hats off to them.

Maybe we should start cherrypicking famous known homosexuals and start proclaiming them in fact heterosexuals with deep disdain for other homosexuals? Not that there is anything wrong with that lol.


20 posted on 02/15/2005 1:01:08 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: fortunecookie

These degenerates! honestly...

I actually heard the one who wrote the claim,(in O'reilly's I think), saying that "hey, AL, was an 'attractive man' huh?????????


21 posted on 02/15/2005 1:05:03 PM PST by ElPatriota
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To: peyton randolph
pastel colors coordinated to match the uniforms

Ever see the Zouave-style uniforms? Highly gay.

22 posted on 02/15/2005 1:08:06 PM PST by Restorer
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To: rbmillerjr
Maybe we should start cherrypicking famous known homosexuals and start proclaiming them in fact heterosexuals with deep disdain for other homosexuals? Not that there is anything wrong with that lol.

LOL -Andy Warhol was a closet heterosexual and only performed deviant homosexual sex acts to fit in and avoid persecution by the elite limp wristed artist factions

23 posted on 02/15/2005 1:12:19 PM PST by DBeers
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To: Restorer
Ever see the Zouave-style uniforms? Highly gay.

What else would one expect from a bunch of northerners? (just kidding...please no flames).

24 posted on 02/15/2005 1:14:32 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: DBeers

Well, they have not yet debunked that Jefferson Davis and RE Lee and Stonewall Jackson were gay. I mean, come on, it's obvious... that big slave/master fetish, the whips and chains...


25 posted on 02/15/2005 1:14:52 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: ElPatriota
"hey, AL, was an 'attractive man'

I think it had something to do with that phallic symbol of stovepipe hat...don't even get me started on the Washington Monument or George swinging an axe. ;-)

26 posted on 02/15/2005 1:16:32 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

If you want on/off the ping list see my profile page.

27 posted on 02/15/2005 1:21:19 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: peyton randolph

Lots of southron Zouaves. The popularity of the uniform style died out quickly in both armies once it was discovered how impractical it was, not to mention that it made you a better target.


28 posted on 02/15/2005 1:24:47 PM PST by Restorer
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To: ElPatriota
LOL. That's a stretch. Because, well, he wasn't exactly Brad Pitt good looking. Maybe they were a part of the D'uh crowd attracted to Abe bc of his resemblance (the Marfans?) to John Effin Kerry. Gag. And, of course, for these folks one's attractiveness and sexuality is an important part of history, more so, even, than one's actions and beliefs and accomplishments. (eyeroll)

And to that end, has anyone else noticed that as of late when one reads of a person's bio (a tv personality or writer or such) there are accomplishments, but as of late no mention of wife or hubby or (heaven forbid!) kids or birthplace, unless that person is gay, and then 'long-time companion' or some such is mentioned. Alrighty...

29 posted on 02/15/2005 1:34:20 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: DBeers

If he were gay, wouldn't his picture be on a $3 bill instead of the penny?


30 posted on 02/15/2005 1:38:57 PM PST by msnimje
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To: msnimje

And $5 bill!!


31 posted on 02/15/2005 1:39:56 PM PST by msnimje
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To: ohioWfan
.......those cozy little white tents and all.

LOL! Very good.

32 posted on 02/15/2005 1:40:07 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: DBeers
All these people that are supposedly gay are always history's greats. You don't see them claiming, Hitler, Mussolini or Charlie Manson. I wonder why?
33 posted on 02/15/2005 1:42:21 PM PST by Lx (Tuesday is Soylent green day!)
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To: DBeers

Me too...I actually came out at my last family gathering!


34 posted on 02/15/2005 2:20:23 PM PST by BubbaBobTX (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: BubbaBobTX

ROTFLMAO!


35 posted on 02/15/2005 2:41:10 PM PST by DBeers
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To: manic4organic
So now they'll be just the Log Republicans?

I actually refer to them as the Log Packing Republicans

36 posted on 02/15/2005 2:43:50 PM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers
LOL -I am actually a male lesbian...

Girl-on-girl?

37 posted on 02/15/2005 2:51:21 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (I think with both sides of my brain - guess I'm an intellectual conservative!)
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To: wardaddy; onyx
Bearss said the jist of the contending author's argument is that Lincoln slept with other men.

"It was rather common for men to sleep together in that day" to stay warm and maximize space and accommodations, he said.

Bearss is from MS, IIRC. Jackson or V'burg, I think.

38 posted on 02/15/2005 2:54:56 PM PST by bourbon (You see me here, and yet I am already changed, already elsewhere.)
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To: bourbon

The Bearss family used to have a private school in North Jackson called coincidentally Bearss Academy....over off Manhattan Drive.

K-4 or something like that.

My little bro went there before Casey. He went to St James before Bearss I think.


39 posted on 02/15/2005 4:31:45 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: wardaddy

I want to say that Bearss helped found Jackson Academy. That's lurking back there somewhere in a very misty section of my brain.


40 posted on 02/15/2005 5:11:16 PM PST by bourbon (You see me here, and yet I am already changed, already elsewhere.)
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To: wardaddy; onyx
WD--He also wrote a book that my dad owned when I was a child called, Rebel Victory at Vicksburg. Dad said it was an entertaining and well-considered counterfactual history.

Onyx--might go well on your bookshelves!

41 posted on 02/15/2005 5:14:23 PM PST by bourbon (You see me here, and yet I am already changed, already elsewhere.)
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To: bourbon

and the Cabasiss family had the Education Center (behind Old St Andrews)....where all the freaks (my friends..lol...went)

it was Dazed and Confused X100 back then.

Prep was preppie ...I was not....but Prep had the babes no doubt.

Riverside Park was like Hippie Holler and I was there in the think of it.

steady....I'm getting a flashback...lol

better go find some Xanax quick.


42 posted on 02/15/2005 5:50:02 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: bourbon; Martin Tell

oh yes....we are in the midst of private school entry here...what a zoo....it's like manhattan or bev hills getting in some of these.

St Pauls, Christ Pres, Harding Academy, Lipscomb, Franklin Road, Oak Hill.

and this is just Kindergarten.

I will have two in college and two in private school.

pray for my finances.

PS...it's times like these I wish I were catholic.


43 posted on 02/15/2005 5:53:10 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: DBeers
This "Gay Abe" theory was obviously plagerized from The Gaytrix episode from Son of the Beach.

TVTome.Com

A villain named "Heinous Anus" (RuPaul) is making young men disappear from the beach, and they are all ending up in a place called "Gaytrix". Chip ends up being captured by Heinous Anus and taken to the Gaytrix so that he turn him gay and clone him. Notch's army buddy (Alan Thicke) knows where Chip is and how to get there and sends Notch to go after him...

Mark Harris portrayed "Gaybraham Lincoln" in this episode.
44 posted on 02/15/2005 6:12:04 PM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: bourbon


If he buys one more book, I'll maim him. :)


45 posted on 02/15/2005 6:25:24 PM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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To: wardaddy

Yeah, if you were Catholic you could get a discount at Father Ryan.

That's one thing N'ville has on Jackson in spades...superior and competitive Catholic education. St. Joe is getting better though...or so I hear.


46 posted on 02/15/2005 6:27:35 PM PST by bourbon (You see me here, and yet I am already changed, already elsewhere.)
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To: wardaddy

Ah...the Ed Center. That was where all the NE Jackson hoods went about 15 years ago. Everybody I knew that went there full-time was majorly damaged.


47 posted on 02/15/2005 6:31:02 PM PST by bourbon (You see me here, and yet I am already changed, already elsewhere.)
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To: bourbon
majorly damaged.

that's being too kind..lol

48 posted on 02/15/2005 6:40:54 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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