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To: pawdoggie

OK...you seem to enjoy insulting me, so I will try to explain this one more time:

I am DEAD serious, when I state the following: If Lincoln had been shot in 1861, I believe the South & North would have worked out their differences, and slavery would have ended peacefully, though later on. I am dead serious of all I accuse Lincoln of in regards to being a tyrant.

Don't patronise me or insult my intelligence with your petty little Yankee ad hominem attacks. My parents taught me not to believe everything that is in history books, especially when those books were written by the winning side......I have an aunt who survived the bombing of Trieste by the British and let me tell you, she holds one hell of a grudge. I am very much a Christian, (mainstream), and have no desire for a "slaveholding" South, as you call it. I can love my country, and STILL deplore the acts of a tyrant. If you can't understand that, then it is indeed YOU that need help. And as for assasinations, our own Federal Government has been known to employ that remedy from time to time, so don't give me the hogwash about it being immoral. Open your eyes, and look at the truth. You won't find it in a textbook.


117 posted on 02/19/2005 7:22:40 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
And as for assassinations, our own Federal Government has been known to employ that remedy from time to time, so don't give me the hogwash about it being immoral. So you lied, you are an assassin, or an assassin enabler which is the same thing. Short of a few conspiracy theorists, nobody believes that the Federal Government has assassinated any American leaders (even Jeff Davis got a pass). So yes, in a 19th Century context, or even in a post Church Amendment sense, assassination is immoral, and you will find that in text books, or history books for that matter.

I believe the South & North would have worked out their differences, and slavery would have ended peacefully, though later on. With so many hotheads (not unlike you) in the South of 1861, the only way that North and South would have worked out their differences peacefully is if slavery had remained legal in perpetuity and expanded into any new states and territories. That was a condition set forth by none other than Jeff Davis in his Inaugural address. In fact Davis and his ilk would have insisted on the rigid application of the Fugitive Slave Laws as a nonnegotiable price for staying in the Union. So when would slavery have ended? How many more generations would have toiled under the lash? Maybe that's your problem. You have some fantasy that if the evil Lincoln had not prevailed, you might have had your own plantation. Sitting on your veranda, sipping your mint julep, and visiting the slaves' quarters at night to find a comely wench. On the other hand, since you don't sound like a highborn member of the aristocracy, maybe you would have had to content yourself with the job as an overseer. Maybe you'd have preferred that, to handle the bull-whip. Not as much fun as assassination, I'll grant, nor as rewarding as being the "massa", but you probably could have gotten into it. I like this citation from the Mississippi Declaration of Secession. It says it all, "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world". Do you really think that men with that warped an attitude were interested in a "peaceful solution"? Like you, my pugnacious Reb, they were spoiling for a fight, as you well know.

132 posted on 02/19/2005 8:57:01 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: TexConfederate1861
If Lincoln had been shot in 1861, I believe the South & North would have worked out their differences, and slavery would have ended peacefully, though later on.

You know Tex, I really had never considered that aspect. I agree that slavery would have ended peacefully, as we both know it did worldwide, within a few decades at most.

135 posted on 02/19/2005 9:20:56 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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