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Global Warming Could Worsen U.S. Pollution: Report
Yahoo News ^ | 2/19/05

Posted on 02/19/2005 5:27:22 PM PST by Libloather

Global Warming Could Worsen U.S. Pollution: Report
Sat Feb 19, 3:57 PM ET Science - Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Global warming could stifle cleansing summer winds across parts of the northern United States over the next 50 years and worsen air pollution, U.S. researchers said on Saturday.

Further warming of the atmosphere, as is happening now, would block cold fronts bringing cooler, cleaner air from Canada and allow stagnant air and ozone pollution to build up over cities in the Northeast and Midwest, they predicted.

"The air just cooks," said Loretta Mickley of Harvard University's Division of Engineering and Applied Sciences. "The pollution accumulates, accumulates, accumulates, until a cold front comes in and the winds sweep it away."

Mickley and colleagues used a computer model, an approach commonly used by climate scientists to predict weather and climate changes.

She told a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science that the model predicted a 20-percent decline in summer cold fronts out of Canada.

"If this model is correct, global warming would cause an increase in difficult days for those affected by ozone pollution, such as people suffering with respiratory illnesses like asthma and those doing physical labor or exercising outdoors," she said.

World temperatures have risen by an average of 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.6 degree Celsius) over the past century.

Earlier this week 141 nations signed the U.N. Kyoto Protocol aimed at cutting the so-called greenhouse gas emissions that fuel global warming.

It imposes caps on carbon dioxide emissions, mainly from burning fossil fuels in power plants, factories and cars, in 35 developed nations.

The United States, which produces the most pollution of any country, has refused to sign it.

The model used by Mickley and her colleagues incorporates things such as the sun's luminosity, topography of the planet, the distribution of the oceans, the pull of gravity and the tilt of the Earth's axis, as well as predicted warming.

They fed in gradually increased levels of greenhouse gases at rates projected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. What they found surprised them.

"The answer lies in one of the basic forces that drive the Earth's weather -- the temperature difference between the hot equator and the cold poles," Mickley said.

In the middle latitudes, low-pressure systems and accompanying cold fronts help redistribute heat by carrying warm air to the poles and replacing it with cool air. Warming slows that process down, Mickley's team found.


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Global warming could stifle cleansing summer winds across parts of the northern United States...

How about getting a huge number of 18-wheelers and SUVs hauling east down I-90 or I-94. Wouldn't that create some wind?

(Say, when will Mexico begin to get warmer - or does this global phenomena end at the Rio Grande?)

1 posted on 02/19/2005 5:27:22 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
If this model is correct, ....

oh....go away
2 posted on 02/19/2005 5:29:41 PM PST by stylin19a (Marines - end of discussion)
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To: Libloather
She told a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science that the model predicted a 20-percent decline in summer cold fronts out of Canada.

In Houston, we got at least 3 of them in July and August, the first I'd ever seen.

Houston. Not Topeka.

3 posted on 02/19/2005 5:30:40 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Libloather
Simply amazing how all these reports are coming out just in time to "celebrate" the Kyoto treaty.

State of Fear
4 posted on 02/19/2005 5:30:43 PM PST by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: Libloather
This is baloney.

After the human race becomes extinct from the global warming then we will no longer be polluting the planet with our existence. Problem solved. /EndSarcasm
5 posted on 02/19/2005 5:31:14 PM PST by spinestein
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To: Libloather

Didn't Lake Tahoe get several feet of global warming this year?


6 posted on 02/19/2005 5:33:20 PM PST by Crazieman (Islam. Religion of peace, and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: Libloather

I COULD win the lottery...


7 posted on 02/19/2005 5:37:22 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (Islam is religion of piece established for profit for Muhammad, piss be upon him.)
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To: Libloather
Mickley and colleagues used a computer model...

Is this like a super model, or is it something that comes in a kit?

8 posted on 02/19/2005 5:38:06 PM PST by LRS
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To: Libloather
Hard as I try to see it their way, I just can't get my head that far up my a$$


9 posted on 02/19/2005 5:40:57 PM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Libloather
Throw enough shit on the wall and something will stick, right. These people are in full panic mode. The onslaught of enviro-doom is really massive.
10 posted on 02/19/2005 5:44:38 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: farmfriend


11 posted on 02/19/2005 5:51:51 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libloather

The whole gloom and doom aspect of this is all based on computer models. If you want funding, you make you models scary. With the number of unknowns and other varibles, you can make predictions to say anything you wish.


12 posted on 02/19/2005 5:54:04 PM PST by Always Right
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To: LRS
Is this like a super model...

I'm feeling warmer already...


13 posted on 02/19/2005 5:54:39 PM PST by Libloather (The left is dead! Long live their impeached *King and *Queen!)
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To: Libloather
Global warming could stifle cleansing summer winds across parts of the northern United States over the next 50 years and worsen air pollution, U.S. researchers said on Saturday.

Where is the, "this is solid - no one can dispute this!" part?

LVM

14 posted on 02/19/2005 5:58:59 PM PST by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: Libloather
The model used by Mickley and her colleagues incorporates things such as:

the sun's luminosity,

topography of the planet,

the distribution of the oceans,

the pull of gravity

and the tilt of the Earth's axis,

as well as predicted warming.

These are some of what was fed into the "suspect" model. What was left out?

15 posted on 02/19/2005 6:03:26 PM PST by Noachian (We're all one judge away from tyranny.)
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To: Crazieman

yeah.....Tahoe got 9 ft of global warming all in one day.....if this global warming continues, we are gonna freeze to death


16 posted on 02/19/2005 6:04:46 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Libloather

More coulda-woulda-shoulda crap from the environazis. Every day there's different crackpot global warming disaster scenario peddled by some desperate snake-oil scientist who needs to keep the grant money flowing.


17 posted on 02/19/2005 6:06:26 PM PST by AF68 (A political party that engages in vote fraud won't hesitate to steal all of your rights.)
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To: Libloather

Typical of Reuters to be the source of a load of crap like this - just when there are serious doubts being cast upon the underlying "science" behind the "global-warming" theory.


18 posted on 02/19/2005 6:18:21 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Libloather; Crazieman; Dog Gone; Belisaurius; spinestein; Texas_Jarhead; All
I believe that our world is warming globally. But this warming is not caused by man or pollution from SUV's. It is caused by Space Weather. That is correct. Space Weather.

The earth does not sit in one place. We are moving through the vast reaches of outer space as our planet revolves around the sun. Each day our tiny planet moves into unexplored space like our planet is 'space ship earth.' Getting the picture yet?

Our whole solar system is heating up. Dramatically heating up. Hit my Freeper page. Hit the link I posted about the solar system. But scroll down to the bottom of the very long page -- past all the dramatic images. Pages 2 and 3 are filled with scientific reports about the warming the the entire solar system. Think about it, digest it, and come back to the first page. Then look at the images of global cooling.

Global cooling (like snow storms in Texas) are a natural reaction to global warming. Think about that for a minute. What you will eventually understand is that we humans are only here in the present time by the grace of God. Time is just an idea in the mind of God anyway. Think about that for a minute. Or a half hour. Or Whatever . . .

But nobody listens to me anyway. I'm just an old geezer living in The Peoples' Republic of Oregon

19 posted on 02/19/2005 6:20:45 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Libloather

That's funny. MY computer model says everything is going to be just fine. Why doesn't Rooters print THAT?


OUTPUT: EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE JUST FINE.
END OF OUTPUT


20 posted on 02/19/2005 6:31:09 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Libloather

A vast flood of liquid caramel would devaste downtown Milwaukee! Yet, shouldn't we be preparing for such confectionary contingencies? What if it actually happens? Our computer models say that such an occurance would destroy our environment, and 7 out of 10 scientists agree. So, what are we waiting for? Could it be... that the premise is as idiotic as man-made global warming? Nah, they have proved that to be true, haven't they?


21 posted on 02/19/2005 6:31:32 PM PST by Richard Axtell (We should be proud, we made the right choice! God Bless George W. Bush!)
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To: ex-Texan

Um... here's a tip.

Admittedly - it is warming but Earth is subject to its own cyclical effects.

However, you negate ANY AND ALL CREDIBILITY to yourself by posting a link by Richard C. Hoagland.


22 posted on 02/19/2005 6:48:29 PM PST by Crazieman (Islam. Religion of peace, and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: Libloather
The model used by Mickley and her colleagues incorporates things such as the sun's luminosity, topography of the planet, the distribution of the oceans, the pull of gravity and the tilt of the Earth's axis, as well as predicted warming.

Using computer models is not even accurate to predicting the weather for tomorrow much less 50-100 years future.
Here in upstate NY a "Nor-easter" snow storm can be affected by a late shift in the track of the storm changing predicted snowfall totals by more than a foot.The shadow effect of the Green Mountains can vary snowfall dramatically as well.

All in all no one has the slightest idea what the weather will be for any locality beyond a few hours at best and that is still subject to factors that computers cannot predict.
Where I live the path of summer thunderstorms are quite often effected by the dumping of the Battenkill river into the Hudson river.This often splits storms as the cooler temperature of the water alters the path that they are on.

Weather like politics is all local.

23 posted on 02/19/2005 6:55:51 PM PST by carlr
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To: Noachian
What was left out?

Larry Summers comments, er, hypothesis really, on female scientists.

24 posted on 02/19/2005 6:57:11 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Crazieman

Yada, yada, yada, yada . . .


25 posted on 02/19/2005 6:58:51 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

IF your model is correct.


26 posted on 02/19/2005 7:00:50 PM PST by xp38
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To: Belisaurius
American Association for the Advancement of Science

I (seriously) question the timing of this meeting releasing all this propaganda just as Kyoto starts up. They should call it the American Association for the Advancement of Ridiculous Propaganda or AAARP.

27 posted on 02/19/2005 7:04:34 PM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: xp38

[model] or luck...


28 posted on 02/19/2005 7:05:05 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (Islam is religion of piece established for profit for Muhammad, piss be upon him.)
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To: Crazieman
"Didn't Lake Tahoe get several feet of global warming this year?"

Worst snow storms I ever saw. And it is not over.

29 posted on 02/19/2005 7:05:45 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Calvin Locke
Larry Summers comments, er, hypothesis really, on female scientists.

Yeah...there's that plus the fact that Mickley's field is engineering and applied sciences and not climatology.

So, why are we suppose to give credence to someone who is working outside of her specialty, and who makes computer models without all relevant data factored in?

30 posted on 02/19/2005 7:06:02 PM PST by Noachian (We're all one judge away from tyranny.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Here's mine:

main()
{
printf("EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE JUST FINE.\n");
exit(0);
}

31 posted on 02/19/2005 7:07:33 PM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: Libloather

That would warm anyone up.


32 posted on 02/19/2005 7:11:30 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Belisaurius
Simply amazing how all these reports are coming out just in time to "celebrate" the Kyoto treaty.

Actually I think they're timed to put pressure on Bush as he visits Europe. "Amazing" nevertheless.

33 posted on 02/19/2005 7:12:53 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Crazieman
Did you even look at This Page ? or are you just projecting you own internal beliefs and private hopes and personal wishes ?.

I am just an 'observer' on this planet. But, for the most part, we are like fleas living on the back of an animal we call 'earth.'

Think about the ultimate reality of that for a moment. Our time in this world is limited and time is just a thought in the mind of God.

34 posted on 02/19/2005 7:22:50 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: stylin19a

If this model is correct, ....

---oh....go away---

These people are like herpes. They just won't go away.

Buddy of mine worked for years for a phosphate company here in Florida. He submitted endless forms and data to the DER (Dept of Environmental Regulation). The mines have to have overflow ponds that will meet that caused by rainfall. He said when his calculations showed they were insufficient, all he had to do was lower the "projected" future rainfall minutely in his model & they were now in compliance with regs. His point was that no one can accurately predict many of the variables used in these models.

Basically, the models are tweaked to give the desired results. You extrapolate a margin of error, then you pull your numbers from the appropriate end of that range to get the result you want.

But surely, we know the proponents of "global warming" are much to alturistic to do anything like that?


36 posted on 02/19/2005 7:36:17 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's.....you weren't really there.)
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To: ex-Texan

Look. Nearly anything published by Hoaxland is a joke. There is no "Hyperdimensional" this or that. Period. Physics and quantum mechanics don't work that way.

I suggest you look at his crackpot "alien cities on the moon" stuff


37 posted on 02/19/2005 7:37:00 PM PST by Crazieman (Islam. Religion of peace, and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: Libloather

This model looks a lot closer to perfection than their model.


38 posted on 02/19/2005 7:37:52 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's.....you weren't really there.)
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To: Noachian

"These are some of what was fed into the "suspect" model. What was left out?"

Well, here's three as a shot from the hip, folks:

Water vapor concentration gradients / Cloud Cover

Urban Heat Island Effect

Concentration of CO2 in the Oceans




39 posted on 02/19/2005 7:41:05 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Belisaurius

"State of Fear"

My thoughts exactly!
Crichton's book is supposed to be fiction, but my word, it sure seems more and more like reality all the time, doesn't it? He's penned what amounts to a Green 1984.


40 posted on 02/19/2005 7:51:03 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Crazieman
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)

As I said before, I am just an observer. Oh, Whatever . . .

41 posted on 02/19/2005 8:05:08 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Libloather
I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. It seems that per the Enviros we are doomed whatever we do.
42 posted on 02/19/2005 8:24:07 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Malesherbes

I realize the threat with greater regulation, but global warming is here. This isn't just a matter of computer models. Check out the story in the Financial Times (hardly a liberal toadie): http://news.ft.com/cms/s/8c151acc-81e8-11d9-9e19-00000e2511c8.html

"...a four-year examination of the Arctic by more than 250 scientists that found the ice cap was only half the thickness of 30 years ago."

That concerns me. I know proof of global warming will be an excuse for regulators to increase their grip internationally, but on the other hand.. I think denial and putting our collective heads in the sand isn't the solution either.


43 posted on 02/20/2005 12:10:56 AM PST by thisiskubrick (may the running liberal pig-dogs be turned into bbq toasties in the sea of fire)
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To: Libloather

Since Chihuahua and Oaxaca and Sonora do not receive the Washington Post or NY Times, Mexico is unaffected by global warming at this time.


44 posted on 02/20/2005 12:16:31 AM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

This isn't just a matter of computer models. Check out the story in the Financial Times (hardly a liberal toadie): http://news.ft.com/cms/s/8c151acc-81e8-11d9-9e19-00000e2511c8.html

"...a four-year examination of the Arctic by more than 250 scientists that found the ice cap was only half the thickness of 30 years ago."


45 posted on 02/20/2005 12:48:27 AM PST by thisiskubrick (may the running liberal pig-dogs be turned into bbq toasties in the sea of fire)
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To: Libloather

Warms my globe!!!!


46 posted on 02/20/2005 2:47:55 AM PST by LRS
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To: thisiskubrick

I'm sorry, that article is poorly written, expects the reader to take awful lot on faith, and basically backs up zilch. Do they happen to provide the credentials of these 250 "scientists"? If you seriously delve into the attendees of the various pro-global warming events you will see that a large percentage have poor or nonexistant qualifying background on the subject.

You want to see some real data for scientific sources?

http://www.globalwarming.org/index.php

And not mentioned in FT story is the fact that the cap is receding in some places and *growing* in others-and that the cap has waxed and waned throughout time. The article also fails to show the methodology used to determine that the cap is in fact shrinking. Further in depth study will show that most of the indicators cited by the global warming crowd, such as temperature, can be arrived at in multiple ways that vary a lot. They cherry pick from the end of the spectrum that advances their beliefs.

AND, as I said, their *predictions* are based on heavily biased models. In reality, one cannot make a model that will predict climate in the future. The variables are nearly infinite. And a minute movement in any of the *known* variables will make a huge swing the in the direction of a prediction 50 years hence.

Micro to the macro. Favorite "scientific" tool of the left to "prove" anything they want to prove.

Always look harder at the methodology than the so called results. There are usually lots of issues with the methodology of most studies, including ones where the people doing the study have no axe to grind. Which is certainly not the case with the studies cited by the global warming crowd.


47 posted on 02/20/2005 7:23:48 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's.....you weren't really there.)
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To: Libloather; stylin19a; Dog Gone; Belisaurius; spinestein; Crazieman; Texas_Jarhead; xcamel; ...
Solar Flairs and Geomagnetic Storms:


Monster Explosion on Sun Feb 20th

Lucky for all of us small creatures enjoying our happy lives here on our tiny planet -- this huge explosion was directed about 110 degrees away from our earth. If it had been pointed directly toward us yesterday . . . Who knows what would have happened? Perhaps all of us would still be here enjoying our lives, then again, maybe not . . .

Again, I believe the earth is heating up. But the cause is not our factory smoke stacks, or nasty chemicals, or emissions from all the SUVs. The prime cause is 'Space Weather.' In short, we are not in control of anything.

Click Here

48 posted on 02/21/2005 2:34:47 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ex-Texan
Who knows what would have happened? Perhaps all of us would still be here enjoying our lives, then again, maybe not . . .

I can't imagine being directed at us would have made much of a difference. I would imagine the force of an explosion like that spreads out more like a sound wave and is not all that directional.

49 posted on 02/21/2005 2:47:31 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
I do not know anything about the potential impacts of explosions from the sun. But I do know that last year there was another huge blast from the sun. Scientists said it would been the "Kill Shot" if it had been pointed directly at our planet. It would have ended all life on our planet as we know it. Luckily, that explosion was aimed 180 degrees away from us. Another way to consider the significance of this photo is to realize this new explosion was 70 degrees closer to us than last year's blast.

Peace be with you.

50 posted on 02/21/2005 3:12:34 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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