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McCain Touts Jeb for 2008
NewsMax ^ | 2/28/05 | AP

Posted on 02/28/2005 5:12:21 PM PST by wagglebee

The first name that popped out of U.S. Sen. John McCain's mouth Sunday as the Republican choice for president in 2008 was Jeb Bush, but the governor's spokesman repeated his position that he has no plans to run.

"If you're looking at dynasties, and by the way I'm a great admirer of Governor Bush, he's done a great job in Florida," the Arizona senator said on "Fox News Sunday." But he added, "This might be a wide-open situation."

In response to McCain's remarks, Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre said: "The governor is focused on his job right now. He's got an ambitious agenda for his remaining time in office and has said repeatedly that he has no intentions of running" for president in 2008.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2008; gop; jeb2008; jebbush; mccain
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To: rottndog
Why did Jeb lead the charge/assault against Ward Connerly and his anti-racial preferences referendum in FL?

Nice fact twist. Anti-affirmative action was his claim to fame and they both rejoiced in the loud opposition.

As for "charge/assault", either I missed that episode or 2001 (when OneFlorida was in its hayday and Kalifornica businessman Connerly was making noise) had an overshadowing news happenstance.

So tell me again why you say JEB is FOR affirmative action??? Try not to phrase your answer as a question.

101 posted on 02/28/2005 7:22:58 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (@100 mph, you have no friends.)
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To: rottndog

Thanks....


102 posted on 02/28/2005 7:24:50 PM PST by deport (Other states try to abolish the death penalty, my state`s putting in an express lane."..TaterSalad)
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To: rottndog

Well, considering the WOT is the most important item in the news day in and day out, don't you think that you are being just a little hard on Bush, then? I mean, he had to go from working on an agenda that he talked about and planned on for 18 months during the campaign and election of 2000, then---

In the space of what 20 or so minutes, his whole focus of his agenda had to shift 108 degrees---

You mentioned that you appreciated the better "values" so to speak of his White House vs. the Clintons---but if you think about it, it wasn't just the sex thing, but Clinton wasn't paying attention to the world around us and LET 9/11 get to the operational point it did on 9/11/01!!

And, after today in Lebanon and the weekend with Mubarek talking about election in Egypt, you CANNOT say that Bush's Doctrine hasn't made a postive change begin in the Middle East!


103 posted on 02/28/2005 7:27:53 PM PST by Txsleuth (Call be anything...just don't call me a fringe poster)
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To: JoeSixPack1
So tell me again why you say JEB is FOR affirmative action??? Try not to phrase your answer as a question.


"First of all, there is still a need to end preferences in Florida because, regretfully, Governor Jeb Bush’s One Florida Initiative is woefully inadequate as it leaves, untouched, state law and local policies that give preferences on the basis of race and gender. Preferences and other forms of race-conscious policies simply have been restructured under ‘One Florida.’"
--Ward Connerly, May 8, 2000
104 posted on 02/28/2005 7:30:48 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: wagglebee

Bush/Cheney 2008


Jeb/Lynn


105 posted on 02/28/2005 7:32:39 PM PST by Samwise (On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.)
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To: Orbiter
Would I sound like an owl if I said "who" twice?

Better to sound like an owl asking 'who? who?', than to sound like a psychotic owl that sez 'why? why?'

General Tommy Franks: SHOULD be a household name.

John Cornyn: admittedly, not a high profile figure, but check out his recent speech in the well of the Senate, regarding the 'Rat obstruction of Bush judicial nominees:

http://www.cornyn.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=232327

I'm telling you, that is the kind of man that has the vision and understanding to be President.
106 posted on 02/28/2005 7:36:01 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Txsleuth
I totally agree with you on these issues. I give credit to Bush where he deserves credit.

This being said, I cannot and will not ignore his domestic agenda which has resulted in bigger government controlling more of our lives. When government grows, it is to the detriment of freedom. Under Bush, government has grown faster than it has in an entire generation. In fact, the only veto Bush has even threatened is to protect more bigger government.

I see Jeb as more of the same.
107 posted on 02/28/2005 7:37:39 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: rottndog

September 4, 2001: Two years after abolishing affirmative action programs for minority-owned companies, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said on Tuesday they are now getting an unprecedented share of state spending. Flanked by charts and minority business owners, Bush said data from his budget office showed that jettisoning set aside programs and quotas have not, as critics had predicted, undermined minority business competing for the nearly $15 billion in goods and services purchased every year by the state. See article Minorities' Share of Florida Business Said Growing.


108 posted on 02/28/2005 7:39:20 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (@100 mph, you have no friends.)
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To: Txsleuth
And don't even get me started on Bush's non-amnesty amnesty.
109 posted on 02/28/2005 7:39:40 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: rottndog

OOPSY---now you have gone and done it---

You have typed the "A" word, or the "II" (illegal immigrant)words on a Free Republic site---

Stand back everybody---it gonna blow!


110 posted on 02/28/2005 7:46:22 PM PST by Txsleuth (Call be anything...just don't call me a fringe poster)
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To: Norman Bates

"I want to see Dan Quayle run. He is a committed conservative and a good man. The MSM image is old and can easily be overcome by hitting the ground running with his thorough, committed agenda."

So happy to see another Quayle fan. My husband looks like him!


111 posted on 02/28/2005 7:49:55 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: wagglebee

I happen to like Jeb Bush a lot but when I think about it, nothing where I lived for nearly 20 years improved under him. Well, I think he did away with auto exhaust emissions testing, which was a joke. But the core of the state is still rotten.


112 posted on 02/28/2005 8:03:40 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: JoeSixPack1; rottndog

When Jeb entered office, the SUS was still using race as factor in admissions. Connerly rode in and tried to force Jeb to go by his own plan, which didn't have widespread support at the time. Jeb set up his One Florida or "Talented 20" plan, which eliminated race based initiatives. It was a huge success against affirmative action, and really shouldn't be viewed as anything else.

Also, Jeb and the House Republicans have refused to raise taxes, even when revenues were severely hurt after 9/11. They did what all conservatives should do when they take in less money; they tightened the budget and spent less. Jeb also supports tort reform and a $250,000 cap on non-economic damages, and he has refused to give into the Senate RINOs and the trial bar. He is revamping the Medicaid program to cut costs. He helped pass a special bill just for Terri Schiavo. How is he a RINO?


113 posted on 02/28/2005 8:06:59 PM PST by MedNole
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To: MedNole
"Florida should adopt its own urban HUBZone program as a fresh alternative to existing minority contracting programs that use legally suspect racial preferences. Like the federal program, Florida’s program should be narrowly tailored to cover our Front Porch communities and other truly disadvantaged urban communities, and should require business owners to create jobs in those communities. Top procurement agents should meet with managers from participating companies to share information concerning business opportunities and the State's bidding procedures. Urban HUBZone businesses would be expected to compete with other companies on price and quality, but would be awarded bonus points in competitive bid scoring because of the community-enriching value of their employment practices. This practice is similar to one presently used by several State agencies, which award bonus points to bidders which structure their bids to include significant minority subcontracting participation. Coupled with aggressive outreach by Front Porch Florida and the Minority Business Advocacy and Assistance Office, this approach should result in more jobs for minorities throughout the State of Florida and increased State contracting with minority business owners – without quotas or set asides."--Jeb Bush

Taken from:
http://www.oneflorida.org/myflorida/government/governorinitiatives/one_florida/equity_contracting.html

See any doublespeak here? He can't twist his way out of this one. Giving minority contractors "bonus points" in competitive bidding simply on the basis of the minority status of one of the bidders is a preference.

Oh, yeah, until Jeb renounces his support for giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens, in my book he's a RINO.
114 posted on 02/28/2005 8:27:30 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: rottndog

Wrong.

McCain was the media's pick.


115 posted on 02/28/2005 8:30:11 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: MedNole

Link to the actual document:

http://www.oneflorida.org/myflorida/government/governorinitiatives/one_florida/documents/contractingplan.doc


116 posted on 02/28/2005 8:31:33 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: rottndog
He also believes in race based quotas/affirmative action.

I live in Florida. Your point concerning Jeb Bush's beliefs about quotas/affirmative action is not true.

You weren't here in Florida for the sit-ins and marches on Tallahassee when Jeb put an end to quotas in state hiring and university admissions. And your evidence is Ward Connerly? Well, I believe Mr. Connerly is a good man, but Jeb is a bit more shrewd than he is.

You can dislike George Bush and/or Jeb Bush. But don't run around spreading lies and half truths. It only makes you look like a media clone.

Keep your tagline though. It helps people put your views in perspective.

117 posted on 02/28/2005 8:34:10 PM PST by Waryone
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To: EternalVigilance
Forget Condi. She's not pro-life.

She is a career Russian Studies academic and National Security expert. How on earth do you know that she is pro-abortion? Links?

118 posted on 02/28/2005 8:34:37 PM PST by montag813
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To: Soul Seeker
McCain never had a real chance to win. McCain was the media's tool to make Bush appear very right wing, making Gore appear more moderate.
119 posted on 02/28/2005 8:35:03 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: wagglebee

Maybe.

I find it suspicious that McCain comes out for a Bush. It's been my thinking he's not too fond of the family.

Anyway, I like Jeb. I like G.W. better. If Jeb wanted to run I'd give consideration since I do NOT support this fanciful notion that we have a "dynasty" when these people are freely elected. That said, he isn't running. I wish people would take him at his word.

I suspect mcCain does take him at his word and wanted to buy points by suggesting a Republican the base likes to balance out his statement about Hillary. meaningless pandering since everyone knows Jeb isn't running, and therefore Jeb is of no threat to McCain's intentions to run.


120 posted on 02/28/2005 8:35:46 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: rottndog

Interesting theory.

Prove it.


121 posted on 02/28/2005 8:44:46 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: rottndog

That's fine, but it's a HUGE improvement from prior to when Jeb took office, especially in university admissions.

As far as the driver's licenses, I agree with you. I think it's a dumb move. However, I think you're ignoring everything else he's done (especially his fiscal policies), and labeling him a RINO based on essentially one position would pretty much mean that everyone is a RINO in your book. Are there any other positions that would classify him as a RINO, or is that it?


122 posted on 02/28/2005 8:45:38 PM PST by MedNole
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To: Waryone
Shrewd he is. He shuffled the deck, changed the terminology, and went to great rhetorical lengths to change the appearance of what he was doing. Yes, there were protests and sit-ins and marches, and lots of noise making. Yes specific quotas were eliminated. Some good things were accomplished.
However, when you dig into the details and find that there are specific programs for measuring minority contracting for the purposes of making sure there is enough minority contracting, you find that he has found a different way of doing the same thing as before. What will he do if he makes the determination that not enough minority contractors are getting contracts? And, when you give a contractor bonus points in considering the awarding of contracts, how is this not a preference?

BTW, I don't dislike either of the Bushes.
123 posted on 02/28/2005 8:56:12 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: Waryone
I live in Florida. Your point concerning Jeb Bush's beliefs about quotas/affirmative action is not true.

Thank you for your first hand observations and setting the record straight.

124 posted on 02/28/2005 9:04:24 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: rottndog
BTW, I don't dislike either of the Bushes.
Your tagline - Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!

I'm convinced...

you're not truthful.

125 posted on 02/28/2005 9:05:10 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Wormwood

Never say never. Remember Nixon? Defeated in 1960 for the Presidency. Defeated in 1962 for governor of California. Everyone thought he was washed up. Done. Finished. Elected President in 1968 and by a landslide in 1972.

As I said, I honestly think it's a matter of Quayle hitting the ground running with an agenda from the get-go. What happened in 1992 was a long time ago. Much longer than Nixon's 8 year hiatus. In 1992 we didn't have bloggers, FR, or FNC. It can be done.


126 posted on 02/28/2005 9:07:52 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: MedNole
I'll grant you that his One Florida Initiative was a good step in the right direction. I actually give him credit for that. Big ships turn slowly, but this one's turning. I thought his treatment of Ward Connerly was unfair and out of line, however.

On the issue of the driver's licenses, though, I have to stand firm. I always thought that one of the core principals of the GOP is respect of and adherence to the law. His stance flies directly in the face of this. I don't see how I can reconcile his willingness to subvert immigration law with core Republican values. Especially since he is the governor of one of the largest states in the country, sworn to uphold the law.
127 posted on 02/28/2005 9:09:00 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: Righty_McRight

I don't think the US Senate is a step up from Governor. It might be a step up coming from a small state but not FL. Just my opinion YMMV


128 posted on 02/28/2005 9:09:49 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Once-Ler

Just because I don't want to see another Bush in the White House does not mean that I dislike them. It's o.k. in my book to disagree with someone's views without disliking them.

This is probably different for you, however.


129 posted on 02/28/2005 9:13:13 PM PST by rottndog (Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!!)
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To: Wormwood

I'm not old enough to know but I have to think the MSM beat the heck out of Reagan as CA Gov and he came back. The MSM beat up Nixon as Ike's VP. Any older Freepers able to give some perspective and compare the attacks on Nixon as VP and Reagan as Gov to Quayle?


130 posted on 02/28/2005 9:14:54 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Howlin; Wormwood; Fudd Fan

All those inclined should contact Mr. Quayle with their support. He has mailing addresses at www.vicepresidentdanquayle.com

Dan Quayle is a true-blue committed conservative. He more than has what it takes to carry on the torch of America. And he would be a worthy successor to W. Vision, integrity, experience, faith, values: Dan is our man!


131 posted on 02/28/2005 9:16:45 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: rottndog
It's o.k. in my book to disagree with someone's views without disliking them.

I do have a hard time liking people who I believe express dishonesty. I'm a father and I often see fraudulant people as bad for America and my children's future. Jesus said love your enemy but I am not Jesus.

If you were mearly saying something like..."I don't think Jeb is the best choice," or even "I disagree," as you clame in this post I would not have responded. But you posted Stop Jeb Now!!!!! NO MORE BUSH!!!!!! This is a dire warning with many exclaimation points. I don't think you'ra stupid...you understand the words you chose and the way you expressed it is inflamitory and looks a lot like the crap one reads at DU. It is the way one would write "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

All I said was that I was convinced you don't like the Bush's. I don't even need to check other threads to be convinced...it is clear from your posts at #107 and #109 and #114. Why can't you admit it?

132 posted on 02/28/2005 9:32:39 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Once-Ler

It was 1992. Bush and Quayle were running as incumbents and were unlucky enough to have a medium-sized "soft patch" recession during election year. And the "duh" move of reneging on "no new taxes" didn't help either. With that, a moderately conservative 3rd party, a ruthless Clinton campaign, and the somewhat incoherency of the Bush message (we don't even need to mention Old Media's "help"), Clinton squeaked into the Office with an unrespectable 43%. Quayle was portrayed as negatively as being unintelligent.

As for 2000, his campaign never took off. I couldn't say what happened.

But passed time has a way to heal old wounds and 13 years is plenty to put the past where it belongs. We don't need to argue about whether he's intelligent. What's clear is that the MSM stuck that to him. But today they no longer have the carte blanche they had in 1992. We have bloggers, FR, FNC and the likes. I think he has a good chance at getting a fair shake if he hits the ground running with his agenda. The Weekly Stand with Kristol will help, too.

I don't even need to mention that he's emminently qualified for the Office. At least, that's how I feel. America can never have enough pro-family, pro-values, pro-defense committed conservatives like Dan. The man has depth and vision.


133 posted on 02/28/2005 9:35:45 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: Norman Bates

Maybe my post was unclear. I know plenty about how Quayle was mistreated by the MSM. I was looking for someone who could give some perspective on Nixon's treatment at the hands of the press during the 50's as well as Reagan's during the 60's.


134 posted on 02/28/2005 10:09:43 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Once-Ler

Look I am not old enough either. I was just trying to share my enthusiasm and my ideas. For some that is enough.


135 posted on 02/28/2005 10:14:40 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: Norman Bates
No need to get angry. I agree, Quayle is a great and maligned man. If I gave a different impression it was unintended.

We agree. There is no need to defend your opinion. I was just trying to be clear. I'm searching for validation that the media tried and failed to kill the future of 2 other great men Nixon and Reagan.

Here is something I hope you can appreciate, or curse me for pointing out. Want to cry for an hour? Read this A Dead Soldier's Words on Iraq: "The Price Is Worth It" (RIP Sgt. 1st Class David J. Salie)

This man is several years younger than I and my brain hurts from thinking about his wife and children. I can't stop crying. I can't stop thinking about him. I would welcome a flame war to distract me.

136 posted on 02/28/2005 11:08:05 PM PST by Once-Ler (RIP Sgt. 1st Class David J. Salie)
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To: wagglebee

"If you're looking at dynasties, and by the way I'm a great admirer of Governor Bush..."

Whatever, if that's not a jab, I don't know what one is.


137 posted on 02/28/2005 11:09:54 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: wagglebee

Ugh. Then that means I don't want Jeb. Not that I did in the first place.


138 posted on 02/28/2005 11:10:30 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: montag813; All
Here is your link CLICK - she descibes herself as a ``pro-choice evangelical.''
139 posted on 03/01/2005 5:33:39 AM PST by areafiftyone (The Democrat's Mind: The Hamster's dead but the wheel's still spinning!)
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To: wagglebee

Just saw that. I am thinking that I would rather it not be another Bush. I love the two we already elected as president, but I don't think I would be comfortable with a third Bush as pres. I don't know why. Just doesn't sound right. How about Bill Frist or Michael Steele????? or Condi????


140 posted on 03/01/2005 11:21:48 AM PST by buffyt (If it is important to protect people from a local crime - what about an entire nation?)
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To: Fudd Fan

I LOVE your tag line!


141 posted on 03/01/2005 11:23:16 AM PST by buffyt (If it is important to protect people from a local crime - what about an entire nation?)
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To: Seattle Conservative

Don't know about the term limits but I THINK Jeb has to move on after this term. Not sure though. Maybe Prez down the line but as much as I would want him in '08...it wouldn't happen and probably shouldn't. If he can beat Bill nelson then let it happen. Go Jeb! We need him to stay in politics. Can't let these honest guys slip away.


142 posted on 03/01/2005 4:38:31 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: Once-Ler

It's fine. Thanks for the link. It's terrible to lose our soldiers.


143 posted on 03/01/2005 5:13:19 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: areafiftyone

My heart is broken...


144 posted on 03/01/2005 5:14:59 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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