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NY Punk Venue CBGB Faces Closure Over Unpaid Rent
Reuters via yahoo ^ | Mon Mar 7, 4:20 PM ET

Posted on 03/08/2005 6:36:50 AM PST by itsamelman

Reuters
NY Punk Venue CBGB Faces Closure Over Unpaid Rent

Mon Mar 7, 4:20 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York's legendary rock club CBGB, which helped launch everybody from Blondie to the Ramones, faces closure if it does not resolve a dispute over unpaid rent with the homeless charity that owns the building.

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Club owner Hilly Kristal said the dispute dated from 2001, when the landlord presented a $300,000 bill for unpaid rent.

Though most of that has now been repaid, the club was handed another bill earlier this year for $76,000 which CBGB has not paid. The club's lease comes to an end in August and talks on renewal are stalled.

"The real thing is they don't want me back," Kristal said, adding that there had been a series of disagreements over renovations and building certificates in recent years.

CBGB, which stands for "country, bluegrass and blues" even though it is most famous for punk music, rents its downtown space from the Bowery Residents' Committee -- a non-profit organization that runs a homeless shelter above the premises.

"I am not going to subsidize CBGB at the expense of homeless people," Muzzy Rosenblatt, executive director for the organization, was quoted as saying in The New York Times.

MTV's Web site quoted him as saying CBGB had not met its obligations on safety.

The Committee wants to double the rent and negotiations over a new lease have ground to a halt amid legal wrangling that will result in a court hearing later this month.

Kristal, who founded the club in 1973, converting what had been a Hell's Angels hangout into one of the most famous venues for live music in the city, said he would fight closure of what he called a New York City institution.

"We've established something here. ... This is a kind of symbol of helping young musicians and new artists," he said, recalling early gigs by the likes of Pearl Jam.

"I think we do a nice thing for a lot of people; maybe it's not quite as wonderful as helping the homeless but it has its benefits," Kristal said.

Rosenblatt could be immediately reached for comment.

 

 




TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: punkmusic

1 posted on 03/08/2005 6:36:53 AM PST by itsamelman
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2 posted on 03/08/2005 6:45:27 AM PST by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: itsamelman

Oh, the memories of schlepping across the Bowery at 2:00AM after a night at CBGB.

What were we thinking?


3 posted on 03/08/2005 7:16:19 AM PST by angkor
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To: itsamelman
Club owner Hilly Kristal said the dispute dated from 2001,

Funny, that also is the last time they cleaned the men's room.

4 posted on 03/08/2005 7:18:02 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: itsamelman; agrace

Having taken bands into CB's I can say that while it may be an institution, it is a real hole. They were good times though.


5 posted on 03/08/2005 7:21:29 AM PST by lightingguy (Sorry, I got distracted)
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To: angkor
Re: What were we thinking?

The same thing we were thinking at 3 A.M. . . "Duuuuude"

Ahhh youth is waisted on the young :)

6 posted on 03/08/2005 7:22:27 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: itsamelman

sweet post. thanks!


7 posted on 03/08/2005 7:25:29 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: itsamelman

Follow the money,...smell those dollar$$zzz,...The Bowery is vanishing


8 posted on 03/08/2005 7:26:51 AM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: dirtboy

Never been there myself, having lived in the the L.A. area all my life, but I've seen pics and video. I think I'd let my bladder burst before I ventured into that bathroom. And I've heard of couples getting it on in there, including, I think, Debbie Harry and Chris Stein.

I think the closest we may have had in L.A. was Al's Bar downtown.


9 posted on 03/08/2005 7:34:42 AM PST by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: angkor
What were we thinking?

Indeed.

This sure brings back memories.........those that I can remember, anyway......LOL

10 posted on 03/08/2005 7:49:37 AM PST by Gabz (Wanna join my tag team?)
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To: angkor
Sigh...

Being a Florida girl who was just a little too young for the original scene up there, I could only dream of CBGBs as if it were some far off Holy land... but, we did have the Cameo Theater in South Miami Beach in the mid-80s.

Before the SoBe craze in the 90s, it was a pretty wonderful and ratty place.

Any freepers who want to share their memories, feel free to freepmail me... I must live vicariously...

11 posted on 03/08/2005 9:08:56 AM PST by RepoGirl (Rottweilers are republican; all cats vote nader.)
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To: itsamelman

Paying rent is soooo un-punk.


12 posted on 03/08/2005 9:17:14 AM PST by PRND21
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To: itsamelman

What a shame. The Wetlands closing a few years ago and now this. NY is losing the great clubs fast.


13 posted on 03/08/2005 10:08:26 AM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: jmc813

CBGB's heyday was long ago. I've driven past it and they sit on primo NYC real estate. Meaning it needs to be converted into some narcissistic boutique or cell phone store. (/sarcasm)


14 posted on 03/08/2005 10:11:02 AM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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To: itsamelman
I went to the Café Au Go Go which was much better and earlier. So was Max's which I never got to.

1966: Bruce Springsteen
Plays at Café Au Go Go


15 posted on 03/08/2005 10:16:18 AM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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To: itsamelman

I've only been to one rock club in NYC--the Lakeside Lounge.


16 posted on 03/08/2005 10:32:05 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: lightingguy; itsamelman
It certainly was a hole, no doubt still is - I doubt Kristal spent that rent money on renovations. A fun hole, for us young irresponsible idiots who stayed out half the night partying, bringing home a full meal from Arby's or White Castle afterward (my stomach hurts just thinking about it), but a hole nonetheless, a small, long, narrow one at that. I remember walking into it for the first time and saying "THIS is the legendary CBGB's???"
17 posted on 03/08/2005 11:05:35 AM PST by agrace (Is this the line where they're handing out tags?)
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To: itsamelman

That's funny. I have played CB's and Al's several times. Comparing the two is fun. The truth is CBGB's is the best sounding dive I have ever seen. The acoustics are great and the since of history makes you feel like every gig could be something special. The great thing is that it actually could be the start of something. The contacts we made there helped me for years to come.
Al's on the other hand is a great place to get that Bukowski LA vibe going. The blocks around it are not as scarry as the Bowery can get but you are actually in more real danger. Playing Al's will do nothing for your career but it is a must do for anyone that thinks they're hard.


18 posted on 03/08/2005 11:29:09 AM PST by The Toll
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To: itsamelman

CBGB's was the first club I got booted from, at age 17. Broke a finger that night too, but don't remember how. Do remember Jesus Lizard.


19 posted on 03/08/2005 12:24:48 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: itsamelman

OMFUG!


20 posted on 03/08/2005 12:27:57 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: itsamelman

"I am not going to subsidize CBGB at the expense of homeless people," Muzzy Rosenblatt, executive director for the organization, was quoted as saying in The New York Times.

I get it, tax paying, beer buying frequenters be damned. Your money is no good here. We only give stuff away to homeless people.


21 posted on 03/08/2005 12:31:59 PM PST by clarissaexplainsitall (stewed tomatoes are just plain gross)
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To: JerseyHighlander
"Broke a finger that night too, but don't remember how. Do remember Jesus Lizard."

Ah, to be young.... A guy I know jumped off the balcony at a PiL show at the Palladium in Hollywood. Everyone cleared out and he slammed into the floor. After about a minute he pulled himself up and walked back to the bar. Next morning he asked "What the hell happened to my head and ribs?"

22 posted on 03/08/2005 12:43:57 PM PST by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: Dad yer funny
The Bowery is vanishing

What will happen to all those bums who looked like they'd just beamed-in from the 5th dimension?

Hollywood couldn't possibly create a better Bowery bum than the Bowery itself.

23 posted on 03/08/2005 1:47:07 PM PST by angkor
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To: itsamelman

And the Talking Heads.


24 posted on 03/08/2005 1:48:45 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: The Toll
The truth is CBGB's is the best sounding dive I have ever seen

Amen! My old band played there a few times and even recorded a live LP there. Great sound, great soundmen. Long may CB's wave!
25 posted on 03/08/2005 1:49:48 PM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: itsamelman
A guy I know jumped off the balcony at a PiL show at the Palladium in Hollywood

A friend caught the last U.S. Pistols show at the Cow Palace, said it was disgusting with Rotten spitting and (etc etc) on the audience. I later saw PiL several times in Boston, he'd calmed down a great deal.

The Pistols did have good taste staying at the (then-Westin) Hotel Miyako in San Francisco (where Sid V. broke the lobby window in a temper tantrum). For years I stayed there on business, always getting a corner room on a high floor. Two corner walls of solid glass with sliding Japanese rice-paper shutters. IMO the best hotel in SF at a very reasonable price.

The Chelsea however leaves a great deal to be desired.

26 posted on 03/08/2005 2:10:47 PM PST by angkor
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To: KC_Conspirator
And the Talking Heads.

I sometimes think of the Heads as a DC band, a bunch of Navy brats with Byrne from Annapolis, Franz a Pentagon admiral's son. They used to play the Corcoran Gallery in DC when not in NYC.

Franz's younger brother was in a band called the Urban Verbs, they were good but Franz (the lead singer) couldn't sing and the producer completely ruined their one and only LP, mainly because he let Franz's horrible voice stand front and center with no effects whatsoever, completely raw and unbearable.

27 posted on 03/08/2005 2:23:23 PM PST by angkor
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To: dennisw
So was Max's which I never got to.

I couldn't understand Max's. The Ritz made sense.

28 posted on 03/08/2005 2:29:14 PM PST by angkor
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To: itsamelman

"Rosenblatt went on to state, 'This ain't no Mud Club, no CBGB, I ain't got time for that now.'"


29 posted on 03/08/2005 2:35:09 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: itsamelman

What depressing news.....

Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 03/08/2005 3:29:43 PM PST by Tx Angel
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To: angkor
Two albums of the Talking Heads are among my favorite ever made by American rock groups. 

Remain In Light, though considered to be the Talking Heads' best album, probably stunned people back in 1980....

You best believe it

 

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31 posted on 03/08/2005 4:18:39 PM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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To: angkor

I always thought Byrne was from Arbutus. There's a big difference between Arbutus (blue collar, just south of Balto.) and Annapolis. I never had the idea that Byrne had a privileged background, but I could be wrong.


32 posted on 03/09/2005 5:01:50 AM PST by KevinB
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To: angkor

Only visited once....the uh washroom was memorable. Also visited Max's Kansas City. It was odd being in a place where there was a song playing about it. Still closing over a rent dispute is a fitting end. :)


33 posted on 03/09/2005 5:13:19 AM PST by xp38
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To: itsamelman

CBGBs, Max's, Mudd Club, Ritz, Studio 54, Palladium, Danceteria, Lone Star, Limelight, Cat Club, Area, Roxy, Tramps, Peppermint Lounge, Maxwell's...

Anybody remember the Left Bank, a club in Mt. Vernon (in Westchester County)? All the bands of the era (Gang of Four, Echo & the Bunnymen, Ramones, Stranglers) played there, right near home in the suburbs, around 1980-82.


34 posted on 03/09/2005 5:49:59 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: KevinB
Byrne was from Arbutus.

Come to think of it, you're probably right. I have a few wires crossed about the geneaology of the Heads.

35 posted on 03/09/2005 2:42:41 PM PST by angkor
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To: Jhensy; RepoGirl
Looks like we frequented the same clubs at around the same era!  I just came through the Holland Tunnel to do it!

I took a friend of mine from Footville Wisconsin to Danceateria one night the week before Christmas 1984.  At around midnight there were a bunch of punkers in full regalia on the stage on the first floor singing Christmas carols.  She couldn't get over it.  That topped Guru guy in the white robe on roller skates playing his sitar around Washington Square Park.  I used to frequent Danceateria and the Cat Club frequently in those days but never ran into Madonna.  Being a Jersey guy, I went to Maxwell's in Hoboken a lot too.

I only went to CBGBs a couple of times.  Once for a no-name band and another time to see Henry Rollins shortly after Black Flag broke up.  I was into the music but I had a normal haircut and was clean shaven and no piercings which got me odd looks there.

36 posted on 03/09/2005 5:14:53 PM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Incorrigible
Nope! I was born in Jersey, but spent all of my formative years in South Florida. The punk scene was ... memorable... to say the least. I only dreamt about the early 80s scene in New York.

Once I finally made it to New York City, it was the early 90s and the place seemed so tame compared to what I'd heard about.

37 posted on 03/09/2005 7:12:18 PM PST by RepoGirl (Rottweilers are republican; all cats vote nader.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

The only band I regret not getting to see live.


38 posted on 03/09/2005 7:19:25 PM PST by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: itsamelman
RIP to the birthplace of the GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL BAND OF ALL TIME.

Great, now as part of the "kinder, gentler" East Village it will either become a sushi bar for the Japanese trustafarians in that neighborhood or maybe a Subway (the stupid sandwich shop that is).

In all honesty, CB's has been living on nostalgia for the past 15 years. It hasn't been relavent since the NY harcore scene of the mid-late 1980s. Anyone here remember Agnostic Front?

39 posted on 03/09/2005 7:30:47 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: dennisw

My dad saw Bruce at the Stone Pony in 1969. He told me that Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes were a bigger deal back then.


40 posted on 03/09/2005 7:32:38 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Jhensy
I'm probably the only one here who remembers the Lismar Lounge.

I've always found it hysterical that my FATHER actually went to both Studio 54 and the Limelight with business associates. My dad is too Cheney-esque for that scene.

My aunt was a regular at Max's back in the early 70s, the only place that appreciated British glitter rock.

41 posted on 03/09/2005 7:35:00 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: jmc813

As a life long NYC musician I can tell you that the music scene in NYC is DARD. This is just the final nail in the coffin.The etown is over run with Hip Hop bulls^it discos and crack heads. Except for Bleecker st there are hardly and LIVE venues left in town Our "wonderfull" mayor decided that cigaretts are not allowed in clube so that hut an already hurting business. What a shame this all is .I've had some of the best gigs and times at CB's over the years .


42 posted on 03/09/2005 7:35:53 PM PST by hineybona
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To: hineybona

meant DEAD...dont have my glasses handy ..sorry


43 posted on 03/09/2005 7:36:33 PM PST by hineybona
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To: hineybona
Hard to believe that NYC was a great Rock and Roll town until about 15 years ago.

I think, however, that it simply reflects a change in musical tastes. There aren't any grunge clubs here in Seattle, after all and only two rather small clubs that have live bands. I happen to like electronica/techno and much of the Latin sound (merengue and samba/neoBossa Nova, not that Bachato sh-t the Doms like to blast out of their apartments). Hip-hop on the other hand needs to go.

Well, I guess its time to put on Rocket to Russia or The Dictators.

44 posted on 03/09/2005 7:40:03 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Clemenza

Max's was THE place..It's never been as good since those days..


45 posted on 03/09/2005 7:40:17 PM PST by hineybona
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To: Clemenza

NY STOPPED being a rock n roll town 15 years ago..Been on the fast decline ever since..There used to be a scene , a vERY cool , musical , creative scene. Musicians could actually make a few buck s on top of it.Now the clubs all want FREE bands . The few good places left are Kenny's, Terra Blues and The Bitter End on Bleecker . The rest of the city's gone to hell.Bloomberg has a lot to do with the decline of live music too. He sucks to put it bluntly.Last summer he had the cops raid Bleecker st for weeks , shutting down clubs for noise, crouds, cigaretts , anything they could bust them on. The reality is he wants to have condos built on the block .More $$$ for him .


46 posted on 03/09/2005 7:45:12 PM PST by hineybona
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To: hineybona
Except for Bleecker st there are hardly and LIVE venues left in town

Is the Cafe Wha? (sp?) still around. I spent many an underage night there back in the day.

47 posted on 03/09/2005 7:56:26 PM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: jmc813

Yea , thats still there.Very expensive and vERY commercial now. Nothing new or innovative happining there at all. Tourist trade mostly.


48 posted on 03/09/2005 8:12:59 PM PST by hineybona
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To: hineybona; jmc813

Café Wha was a joke. A basement dump with a legitimate claim to fame that Jimi Hendrix got a career boost there. James Taylor's friends the "Flying Machine" (Danny Kortchmar) were often there. I never even set foot in it. Only place I patronized, and have fond memories of, was the Café Au Go Go where the Blues Project was the unofficial house band. Also the Anderson Theater which became the Filmore East. Saw the last incarnation of Yardbirds there with Jimmy Page using a violin bow on his guitar. Saw Hendrix too stoned to the gills on LSD it seemed. 3 times he played the opening riffs of Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love" as a goof. Yuk yuk yuk


49 posted on 03/10/2005 4:28:12 AM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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