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ACLU plans to follow Minuteman Project
Sierra Vista Herald ^ | 9 March 2005 | Bill Hess

Posted on 03/09/2005 1:15:10 PM PST by Spiff

ACLU plans to follow Minuteman Project

BY BILL HESS

Wednesday, March 9, 2005 11:31 AM MST

Sierra Vista Herald/Review

BISBEE, Arizona - The Minutemen are coming to Cochise County next month, and the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona is, too.

At least two ACLU observers will tag along wherever Minuteman Project volunteers go, said, Ray Ybarra, an Ira Glasser Racial Justice Fellow, a title given him by the national ACLU headquarters.

Hopefully, he said, there will be no confrontation with "the vigilantes."

"If they go hiking through the desert, we'll be there with them. If they sit in lawn chairs, we'll sit in lawn chairs next to them," he said.

The object is to watch the volunteers' actions.

By following the volunteers, the ACLU of Arizona is putting those involved in the Minuteman Project on notice that the violation of the civil rights of "migrants" will not be accepted, Ybarra said.

Chris Simcox, co-organizer of the Minuteman Project and longtime advocate of helping patrol the border using citizens, said the ACLU is not a detriment to the proposed operations planned in April. He said ACLU members have patrolled with the Civil Homeland Defense, a Tombstone-based group he formed.

Simcox said the ACLU observers can walk along with the volunteers and sit with them.

The more presence there is, the bigger the message will be to illegal immigrants, Simcox said.

"It will create more of a deterrent," he said.

On previous operations, ACLU members could not find that anything wrong had been done, he added.

Ybarra, a native of Arizona who was born in Douglas and now works out of that community as part of the fellowship program, said groups who come into the county with the intention of enforcing federal immigration laws at the minimum have to be monitored.

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever has been remiss in stopping the assault on illegal immigrants, Ybarra said Tuesday.

"The activities of the current vigilantes and those new volunteers constitutes unlawful imprisonment, but unfortunately the Cochise County sheriff attended a meeting of the Minuteman Project as a sign of support.

"To this date, he (Dever) has yet to arrest any private citizens for unlawfully detaining or abusing migrants despite a vast amount of evidence hat these incidents have occurred," he said.

Ybarra sent Dever a letter Monday calling on the sheriff to do his duty as the county's top law enforcement officer. Ybarra's letter urged the sheriff to uphold Arizona laws. He said the Minuteman Project has the potential to violate a number of state statutes, including false imprisonment and unauthorized detention.

Dever said Ybarra's idea that he is not upholding the law is based on innuendo and false assumptions.

The sheriff reiterated that every complaint about illegal immigrants being denied any of their rights and allegations of being assaulted or harmed in any way are investigated and reports submitted to the Cochise County attorney and the federal government for decisions if charges are to be made.

As for Ybarra's assertion that he met with those putting on the monthlong border campaign and patted them on the back, Dever said nothing is further from the truth.

The sheriff met with Jim Gilchrist, a co-organizer of the Minuteman Project, and other volunteers in Tombstone in January. Dever said that meeting was to inform Gilchrist of Arizona's laws and the sheriff's view of the laws.

Dever said no criminal activities will be condoned by anyone, those involved in the Minuteman Project, groups or individuals supporting them or organizations and individuals against them. The application of the law will "be swift," he said.

"I'm not going to let anything get out of hand," he said.

There are reports a violent gang called MS-13, made up of criminals with ties to Central American nations, may attempt to disrupt the Minuteman Project, the sheriff said. Although intelligence on MS-13's intentions are not clear, other reports also include the potential that pro and counter groups may show up, Dever said.

"It's a powder keg just waiting for someone to light the fuse," the sheriff said.

By having additional people along the border, such as the proposed legal observers of the ACLU of Arizona, the situation could deteriorate, the sheriff said.

According to a Feb. 28 update on the Minuteman Project Web site, 863 people from all 50 states, including two from Canada, have signed up to come to Cochise County.

Many people who want the border closed say the United States is being invaded by illegal immigrants to the detriment of the nation's economic well being and security.

"The migration by our southern neighbors is not an invasion," Ybarra counted.

He said immigration has always been part of U.S. history, and immigrants make the nation stronger.

ACLU of Arizona will be training individuals as legal observers with workshops in Douglas, Tucson and Phoenix. Ybarra said people in northern California have expressed interest in assisting ACLU of Arizona with its planned project.

"Legal observers will be following these private citizens as they attempt to illegally enforce federal immigration laws," he said.

The observers will report any violations to lawyers, who will be available to file actions against the Minuteman Project people, Ybarra said.

To Ybarra, the Minuteman Project volunteers are dangerous.

"The vigilantes are symbolic of the fear and misunderstanding that exists in our society," he said.

HERALD/REVIEW senior reporter Bill Hess can be reached at 515-4615 or by e-mail at bill.hess@svherald.com.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aclu; aliens; borderintruders; borderinvasion; borders; cochisecounty; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; minutemanproject
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To: Spiff

Many people who want the border closed say the United States is being invaded by illegal immigrants to the detriment of the nation's economic well being and security.

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What about the Mujahideen???!!!


51 posted on 03/09/2005 3:30:17 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Happy2BMe

BTTT!


52 posted on 03/09/2005 3:31:56 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: HiJinx

TFTP!


53 posted on 03/09/2005 3:35:49 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Fatalis
"The ACLU, the MMP, the BP, illegal aliens, coyotes, and probably a few Federales, all being watched by the media along the Arizona-Mexico Border... sounds liike the Perfect Storm"

I wonder how much drug money will be lost to this scrutiny?

54 posted on 03/09/2005 3:38:09 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Spiff
Does the ACLU know MS-13 has threatened to capture some of these Minutemen, cut off their b@lls and feed them to their vicious dogs, and cut off their heads and play soccer with them?

Is the ACLU sure they want to be out in the desert when the shiite hits the fan?

(hint for the Minutemen: remember that when hunting grizzlies with a camera, you should always be certain you have at least one in the party who runs slower than you. My bet is each and every one of these ACLU lawyers are city-slickers and have never been further out in the wild than their illegal-alien-manicured back yards - so maybe it's not such a bad idea to have a few along with you?)

55 posted on 03/09/2005 4:06:35 PM PST by Gritty ("What unifies the left is anti-Americanism,... bring the mother down"-David Horowitz)
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To: Spiff

Just who will be "monitoring" the activities of the ACLU? Maybe some volunteers should follow alongside with the ACLU vigilantes with digital cameras and other methods of "monitoring" and record their activies to ensure that there is an accurate record, not that the ACLU would ever lie!


56 posted on 03/09/2005 4:31:41 PM PST by Ron H. ('Compassionate Conservatism' is just a catchy sounding euphemism for being a liberal RINO)
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To: HiJinx
At least two ACLU observers will tag along wherever Minuteman Project volunteers go.

It's be a darn shame if they got "lost" in that big, old desert area.

57 posted on 03/09/2005 4:35:52 PM PST by SAMWolf (Help Wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply.)
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To: Spiff; All

The Minutemen are not "vigilantes" they are just undocumented Border Patrol agents.


58 posted on 03/09/2005 4:42:58 PM PST by Conservative Firster
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To: Spiff

The ACLU can "follow" all they want, but when the MS-13 gangsters come around, they better have their own guns, cause the Minutemen will be too busy defending themselves to defend the ACLU types.


59 posted on 03/09/2005 4:43:31 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Spiff
If the M-13/Aztlan crowd shows up the maybe the MMP folks can throw the ACLU watchers to the M-13/Aztlan types to slow 'em down or use the ACLU watchers as Human Shields the ACLU types approve of that sort of thing.


60 posted on 03/09/2005 4:43:58 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: HiJinx

but I just did and pinged you.


61 posted on 03/09/2005 4:54:35 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Conservative Firster
I thought a lot of the land the minutemen were protecting was private property. Is the ACLU invited to spin their stories on private property and if so by whom?
62 posted on 03/09/2005 5:20:08 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: F16Fighter
Any word when PETA, FAIR, ALF, and the Gay and Lesbian Alliance are showing up in Arizona?

They're already here. It's called Bisbee, AZ -- you can toss in ELF and whatever the free Mary-Jane group is called too.

63 posted on 03/09/2005 5:21:08 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Mr. Mojo; k2blader
The folks who've been desperately attempting to tie the MMP with neo-Nazi types are looking pretty foolish right about now.

I may have been a critic before, but I'm starting to become a follower again.

I think I'm seeing the light.

To hell with the ACLU and all they stand for.

64 posted on 03/09/2005 5:32:15 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
I think I'm seeing the light.

Glad to hear it, Sonny. ....and it appears you're not alone.

I have confidence the MM will play by the rules ....although one can't be too sure about how they'll respond to the obnoxious pinheads in the ACLU ;)

65 posted on 03/09/2005 5:45:42 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
although one can't be too sure about how they'll respond to the obnoxious pinheads in the ACLU

I can't blame anyone that hurts a member of the ACLU, the only question is, if you hurt one of them, can you still hire another member to be your defence lawyer?

lol.

66 posted on 03/09/2005 5:49:02 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: ApesForEvolution
Simple response when they ask --- Semper Fi Mac! They'd be too stupid to know that when uttered in that way and with a tinge of anger and with force in the pronunciation that they'd just been insulted.
67 posted on 03/09/2005 5:49:29 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Sonny M

lol....good question.


68 posted on 03/09/2005 5:49:58 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: HiJinx; Spiff
American Aztlan Civil Liberties Union harrassment in all it's glory.

As if we didn't know just who's civil liberties are in their interest.

So who's going to watch them?

69 posted on 03/09/2005 5:50:13 PM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: Gritty
My bet is each and every one of these ACLU lawyers are city-slickers and have never been further out in the wild than their illegal-alien-manicured back yards

They won't have sunscreen, no jackets or warm clothes for night time, water, no insect repellent, no hat, long trousers, solid and well broke in hiking boots, space blanket, or means of emergency contact, no first-aid kit, and no flipping idea about food. They'll probably think that Domino's Delivers.

70 posted on 03/09/2005 5:55:41 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: B4Ranch

He was born and raised within spitting distance of the only legal POE for 100 miles in any direction.

Oh, I'm sorry. You were being sarcastic.

Dang, I've got to learn to read you better!

Seriously, anyone who knows anything about the subject can read Ybarra's words and figure out what he's all about.

My daughter-in-law's folks found themselves on the US side of the border in Bisbee when we became a state, and have been proud US citizens ever since. They absolutely detest the illegals coming in now.


71 posted on 03/09/2005 5:59:50 PM PST by HiJinx (They're not vigilantes, they're undocument Border Patrol agents.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
....although one can't be too sure about how they'll respond to the obnoxious pinheads in the ACLU

Word is that the menu for the MMP is Western Baked beans and Corn Bread before sun-up and movement to the observation station then each succeeding meal will include a hearty helping of Western Baked beans. That's how they'll respond to the obnoxious pinheads in the ACLU. With an air of indignities.

Let 'er rip Chester -- phhhhhiiiipppp!

72 posted on 03/09/2005 6:01:27 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: monkeywrench; Spiff; SandRat; PatriotCJC; ArmyTeach; azsportsterman
I wonder how much drug money will be lost to this scrutiny?

I wonder why one of our three County Supervisors is trying his darndest to keep the MMP from getting permits to do their thing...?

73 posted on 03/09/2005 6:02:41 PM PST by HiJinx (They're not vigilantes, they're undocument Border Patrol agents.)
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To: SandRat
How 'bout some more beans, Mr. Taggert?
74 posted on 03/09/2005 6:05:28 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: HiJinx
Say......Jinx you may have something there! Guess we might ought-a mention that lil idea to the other two County Commissioners and while we're at it to Sheriff Dever and V.Fester the County DA.
75 posted on 03/09/2005 6:06:42 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yep that's the general idea and forcing the visual as well.


76 posted on 03/09/2005 6:08:33 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Okay, so where is the article with Janet's comments?


77 posted on 03/09/2005 6:10:29 PM PST by HiJinx (They're not vigilantes, they're undocument Border Patrol agents.)
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To: Spiff; All

This reporter must have verbatim copied the press release of the communist founded ACLU


78 posted on 03/09/2005 6:13:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1359591/posts the meat is in reply one where I copied from the story.


79 posted on 03/09/2005 6:14:19 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ApesForEvolution; Spiff
"If they go hiking through the desert, we'll be there with them. If they sit in lawn chairs, we'll sit in lawn chairs next to them," he said.

If the ACLU *really* wants a 'border experience', be sure to issue them trash bags & let them have the *pleasure* of picking up tons of trash/human waste.

80 posted on 03/09/2005 6:16:56 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: Spiff
The ACLU has never met an illegal alien it didn't see as being unwelcome in this country.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
81 posted on 03/09/2005 6:21:36 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Spiff
Well stated.

The ACLU is in a frenzy in support of activities and groups that will damage this country. They go after small school that dare to say a prayer - God to them is a dirty word, they have attacked the National Honor Society's requirement to have character count (and won), they have supported pedophiles and other dangerous perverts, the list goes on.

82 posted on 03/09/2005 7:30:32 PM PST by Dante3
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To: HiJinx
Make sure no "garbage" is picked up the end of the month, an be sure you take the ACLU thro all of it.

See if they will file a law suit for you guys, for your rights being ignored. If I was 10 years younger I would be there in a minute.
83 posted on 03/09/2005 10:03:41 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Sonny M

Huzzah!! :-)


84 posted on 03/09/2005 10:51:42 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Spiff

"At least two ACLU observers will tag along wherever Minuteman Project volunteers go,"

Not on private property they won't.


85 posted on 03/10/2005 5:37:49 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Spiff

It is beyond time for the ALCU to be charged with racketeering, intimidation, and extortion.


86 posted on 03/10/2005 11:39:43 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Spiff

I cant say enough bad things about the ACLU - they are pure evil plain and simple.


87 posted on 03/10/2005 11:54:38 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (unity not diversity is what made America great))
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To: Spiff
He said the Minuteman Project has the potential to violate a number of state statutes,....

The Bill of Rights has the potential for the same but as Tom Landry said, "Potential means you haven't done it yet."

88 posted on 03/10/2005 12:00:14 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: HiJinx
On previous operations, ACLU members could not find that anything wrong had been done, he added.

That's because the lil' CLU(eless) twits keep a VERY SAFE distance . . . especially when there are real hombres around! Right, HiJinx? (BTW, thanks for all the muy bueno pings!:-)

89 posted on 03/10/2005 4:54:33 PM PST by KiloLima (Lord, have mercy on us!)
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To: KiloLima; Jeff Head

My pleasure. We'll keep the pressure on until something cracks.

One of my mantras goes something like this:

Plug the dike.

Drain the swamp.

Plug the dike.

Drain the swamp.

Plug the dike.

Drain the swamp.


Because it don't work the other way around!


90 posted on 03/10/2005 5:03:29 PM PST by HiJinx (They're not vigilantes, they're undocumented Border Patrol agents.)
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To: Spiff

"Therefore, by their own definition, the ACLU observers are vigilantes themselves. "

Excellent point. Liberals don't believe in violence or "taking the law into their own hands", unless it is they that is doing it.

There may also be Arizona law that prohibits the vigilante actions of the ACLU, including stalking, harassing, and disturbing the peace.


91 posted on 03/10/2005 5:06:18 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: Spiff

The MMP should go as deep as possible into the desert, and, just before nighfall, have someone pick them up in a truck or ATVS, leaving these dweezles to freeze to death.


92 posted on 03/10/2005 5:08:54 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: Conservative Firster

"The Minutemen are not "vigilantes" they are just undocumented Border Patrol agents."


Nice. Worth repeating.


93 posted on 03/10/2005 5:09:39 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: k2blader

VIDEO CAMERAS lots of em.


94 posted on 04/01/2005 9:23:05 AM PST by TomasUSMC
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