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Yale Student: Reclaiming Christianity From the Christian Right
Yale Daily News ^ | 3/11/2005 | Bess Hinson

Posted on 03/11/2005 10:53:49 AM PST by ShinerBock

"On the train ride back to Yale from Boston in the morning hours of Nov. 3, 2004, my best friend looked at me through eyes tearing with frustration and said, “Your people did this.” She turned her head to the aisle and spent our trip upset and without words.

I am a Christian. I also grew up in the American South. “My people”--both Christians and Southerners, according to my friend and many Yale students--are changing our nation with a conservative agenda.

That agenda is not mine. Many Christians, like myself, strongly believe in separation of church and state; are Democrats and pro-choice; support women in ministry as preachers and teachers; and believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation.

It is possible for Christians to represent such God-like views and not be radical judgmentalists. It is possible for Christians to be loving, kind, conversational and respectful of persons of different faiths."

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To: ShinerBock

I call it smorgasbording the Bible. You only taste of the things that are according to your concept of God. He is patient but boy, will justice prevail one day!


51 posted on 03/11/2005 11:24:49 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: ShinerBock

I would have guessed the wing of the Episcopos intent on bring homosexuality, feminists worhipping gaia, having a pro abortion stance, witchcraft, you name it into their church, but that's just me being judgmental


52 posted on 03/11/2005 11:25:43 AM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Mayor of Jesusland)
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To: Old Professer
The man who will stand for anything, stands for nothing.

...and falls for everything...

53 posted on 03/11/2005 11:26:43 AM PST by Migraine
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To: bmwcyle
believe in separation of church and state...Jefferson's letter and not the Constitution.

"separation of church and state" is also the phrase used in Article 52 of the Constitution of the former Soviet Union. But let's not worry too much. (sarcasm) After all, a few Supreme Court justices believe they should start incorporating international perspectives into the Court's decisions.

54 posted on 03/11/2005 11:26:48 AM PST by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, Gullible's Troubles! Steal the wealth, spread the poverty.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Don't be sorry. I thought you meant that "get alongneck" was the Liberal equivalent of a redneck.

No just a flashback to the Hank Jr. song "Why Can't We All Just Get A Longneck?". Think it has something to do with being a Friday afternoon.

55 posted on 03/11/2005 11:27:14 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: ShinerBock

Being for abortion is "God-like"?


56 posted on 03/11/2005 11:28:50 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: All
Reclaiming Christianity From the Christian Right

Like He said, certain people spurn the Christian right in favor of the Christian wrong. "I never knew you."

57 posted on 03/11/2005 11:29:51 AM PST by newgeezer (When encryption is outlawed, rwei qtjske ud alsx zkjwejruc.)
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To: ShinerBock
Many Christians, like myself, strongly believe in separation of church and state; are Democrats and pro-choice; support women in ministry as preachers and teachers; and believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation.

Take out the "pro-choice" part and I basically agree with her. 1) There is nothing wrong with a separation of church and state. In fact, it protects the church more than the state. 2) There are many good Christian, and even conservative, Democrats. Those numbers are declining though as many are realizing the Republican Party better represents their values. 3) I grew up with a sweet old lady as my Sunday School teacher. She knew more about the Bible than anyone I have ever met. I've never heard a female minister, but I don't suppose I have anything wrong with it. 4) God DOES love all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't disaprove of some actions (homosexuality being one of those). Just as God loves thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. He loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

58 posted on 03/11/2005 11:30:11 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
A Christian at Yale, now that's gotta be a contradiction


59 posted on 03/11/2005 11:33:43 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: ShinerBock
You can't be a Christian if you abandon everything distinctive about it!

And you can't know what Christianity is if you rewrite the Bible, and gut everything it that you find offensive, like these idiots do. It is easier to do that than to attempt to understand the 'hard parts' and live it; but then it is no longer God's word, but some man's.

That doesn't seem to matter to the touchy-feely types, and they can't understand why it does matter to us.

That is why they rewrite it so often, then call us bigots for not sharing their wrong headed "Bible-based" views contained in their no longer God's word contemporary "Bibles".

60 posted on 03/11/2005 11:37:18 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ShinerBock

This is a Jimmy Carter Christian. Kinda like a Yellow Dog Democrat. We used to have a mess of them here in Georgia.


61 posted on 03/11/2005 11:37:54 AM PST by madprof98
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To: ShinerBock
"You People"

Typical chick. Probably menstruating....it's a college girl thing.

Well, that's what I heard.

62 posted on 03/11/2005 11:38:36 AM PST by laotzu
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To: ShinerBock
On an even more personal level, as the daughter of a minister whose opposition to new conservatism in the Southern Baptist Convention meant that he regularly confronted the use of racism in struggles for power


Robert J. Anderson - that's the first face you see at the Southern Baptist Convention's webpage when you look up the members of the Executive Committee.

63 posted on 03/11/2005 11:42:04 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ShinerBock
"“My people”--both Christians and Southerners, according to my friend and many Yale students--are changing our nation with a conservative agenda. "

Oh, sure.

Once America was a place where gays could marry, condoms were distributed freely in schools, drug use was happily accepted and taxpayers could be forced to purchase Ward Churchill's opinions.......

....and then the Christians came along and changed everything.

65 posted on 03/11/2005 11:49:02 AM PST by cookcounty (LooneyLibLine: "The ONLY reason for Operation Iraqi FREEDOM was WMD!!" ((repeat til brain is numb))
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To: cookcounty

Indeed - good way of putting it.


66 posted on 03/11/2005 11:50:14 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ShinerBock

I'd be very interested to read what this girl thinks of her own article in--oh say ten years.

I'd tell anyone sending her email not be too harsh and avoid the flames--remember God and Man at Yale--she is living in a very anti-religous environment. Instead just give her some insight of what it means to be Christian outside of Academia.

It may be that in--oh say ten years--when she has lived a bit in the real world as opposed to an ultra-liberal campus she'll "get it."

We were all young once (remember Winston Churchill).

Just my .02


67 posted on 03/11/2005 11:51:42 AM PST by tdewey10 (Get cracking!)
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To: ShinerBock

The good news is that the left feels the need to talk faith. It's great, no matter how they try to spin it.


68 posted on 03/11/2005 11:52:31 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real politcal victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: ShinerBock
"On the train ride back to Yale from Boston in the morning hours of Nov. 3, 2004, my best friend looked at me through eyes tearing with frustration and said, “Your people did this.”

Damn straight we did, chicky. Suck it up and deal.

}:-)4

69 posted on 03/11/2005 11:57:37 AM PST by Moose4 (So how long will it take Hunter S. Thompson to figure out he's dead and not on an acid trip?)
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To: ShinerBock
"Many Christians, like myself, ........ believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation.

........except of course, if they are pro-life Republicans. Then we hate them so much we burst into tears.

70 posted on 03/11/2005 12:02:07 PM PST by cookcounty (LooneyLibLine: "The ONLY reason for Operation Iraqi FREEDOM was WMD!!" ((repeat til brain is numb))
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To: ladtx

I rather get a longneck...or six.


71 posted on 03/11/2005 12:02:57 PM PST by Safetgiver (Mud slung is ground lost.)
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To: ladtx
Can't we all just get alongneck?

I prefer it this way and I'll have a Budwieser
72 posted on 03/11/2005 12:12:38 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight, act like a Knight)
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To: agrace

ping


73 posted on 03/11/2005 12:17:57 PM PST by lightingguy (Sorry, I got distracted)
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To: ShinerBock
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (1) But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without selfcontrol, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God– 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
74 posted on 03/11/2005 12:19:16 PM PST by jonboy
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
What Bible is this wolf-in-sheeps-clothing reading?

Or to put it another way: "Even the devil can quote Scripture for his own purposes."

75 posted on 03/11/2005 12:22:20 PM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Don't the Unitarian/Universalists call themselves "Christian"?"

I don't believe so. I was raised a Universalist. Universalists were more Christian than Unitarians who, obviously, are not trinitarian, and therefore not Christian. However, the Universalists virtually disappeared in the merger between the two denominations.

76 posted on 03/11/2005 12:28:51 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Mamzelle
...didn't catch that in the essay. This maudlin ninnypanties is almost THIRTY?!

Well, hey, she's working on getting a double Master's Degree in women's study and compartitive mythology. Gee wiz,Mamzelle,that takes time!

77 posted on 03/11/2005 12:29:50 PM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

"John Wycliff had it in the 14th century: 'How should God approve that you rob Peter, and give this robbery to Paul in the name of Christ?'"
The left will talk about their Christian values (providing for the poor) to justify their socialist views.
Whereas,my view is "The lord helps those that help themselves"
More Republicans should take the stance of hand up not hand outs.
But then where would the Democratic Party be without victims?


78 posted on 03/11/2005 12:30:25 PM PST by griswold3
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To: ladtx

How about a wahburger and some cryfries


79 posted on 03/11/2005 12:34:17 PM PST by Jen from Tn.
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To: ShinerBock

like all leftists she is just trying to make god in her own image.


80 posted on 03/11/2005 12:35:55 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: ShinerBock
That agenda is not mine. Many Christians, like myself, strongly believe in separation of church and state; are Democrats and pro-choice; support women in ministry as preachers and teachers; and believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation.

Great, one more "Christian" who needs to read the Bible, and does not know how stupid she looks to those who have.

81 posted on 03/11/2005 12:41:23 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: ShinerBock

A better title might be:

Yale Student: Reclaiming Christianity From the Christians


82 posted on 03/11/2005 12:44:47 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: ShinerBock
She apparently is a "pro-choice Christian"

There is no such thing. I'm sorry, but there is no way anyone can read scripture and claim they are pro-abortion and a Christian. There is no way to justify pro-abortion with the teaching of Christianity and not be lying to ones self.

83 posted on 03/11/2005 12:47:26 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: ShinerBock

>>this new political Christian right is seriously wrong, because its view of God is so narrow that few are included except its own.<<

Let's see: the "Christian right" (whatever that means) is wrong because they believe that those that disagree with them are incorrect, but the author is right because she believes those that disagree with her are incorrect.

Perhaps its just me that's having a problem with this so-called idea, so could someone clear this up for me?


84 posted on 03/11/2005 12:48:10 PM PST by 1L
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To: ewin
"...outside are the homosexuals, those who misuse drugs in connection with the occult, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." (Rev 22:15)

What version are you using?????

"But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves, and practices a lie." (Rev 22"15)

85 posted on 03/11/2005 12:52:47 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: griswold3
The left will talk about their Christian values (providing for the poor) to justify their socialist views.

And they say we try to impose our values on everyone. Maybe we should start saying that every mention of charity in gov't is a violation of the Establishment clause. LOL! I could really have some fun with that. For example: The Bible says that we should be concerned about the poor. Since that idea finds its roots in the Bible, to promote it in gov't is an unconstituional violation of the separation of church and state. The moral values of the majority are irrelevant. John Cheapskate's 14th Amendment right to liberty and property is what's at issue. So people are dying of AIDS. So children are homeless. So someone cannot pay for their healthcare. It's not the gov't's business to impose the morality of the majority on all. Our taxes pay for military and structural things ONLY, if morality cannot be an issue.

86 posted on 03/11/2005 1:03:45 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real politcal victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Loves sinners?

ASV Rom 9:11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, 12it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated. 14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, For this very purpose did I raise thee up, that I might show in thee my power, and that my name might be published abroad in all the earth…...

(keep going for two more chapters, it will keep you humble)

Scripture does not say God is Love, Love, Love. It says he is Holy, holy, holy(Isa 6:3). This is the only trait of his raised to this level, and it is for this reason that we shall fear God. We seem never to tire of talking about his love, but we rarely talk of his holiness. It is only from the perspective of his Holiness, can we can just scratch the surface of his amazing grace.

When all else fails, read the instructions (CCEL > Bibles and Commentaries)

87 posted on 03/11/2005 1:35:16 PM PST by isaiah55version11_0
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To: jonboy

Also see Romans 1: 23-32

It repeats some of 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Frannie


88 posted on 03/11/2005 2:07:42 PM PST by frannie (don't worry about tomorrow -- God is already there)
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To: isaiah55version11_0
The Entire Unabridged Bible as written by these secular atheist Christian amoralists:

((drum roll please))


page one

Whatever...

the end.
89 posted on 03/11/2005 2:07:56 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: ShinerBock
I also emailed her and simply pointed out the scriptures as noted in some of the replies here and also others I thought may help, if she even reads them.

She needs our prayers for I feel she has strayed so far away from the Lord's teachings.
90 posted on 03/11/2005 2:26:21 PM PST by frannie (don't worry about tomorrow -- God is already there)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I see you are on the bawl today!


91 posted on 03/11/2005 2:38:36 PM PST by BigTime
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To: isaiah55version11_0
Matthew 5:43-45 (43) "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Here we are told to love those we would normally be inclined to hate, our enemies, because of our Father in Heaven. This kind of love does not come from men naturally, It is a divine love. God LOVES those who are His enemies just as He wants us to.

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

Hate does not always mean what we understand it to be. Here, we are told that our love for our loved ones must be hate by comparison to our love for Jesus. It does not mean that we hate them in the normally understood sense.

If you took this literally, we would be being told to love our enemies and hate the ones closest to us. This is not what God was trying to communicate.
92 posted on 03/11/2005 3:30:24 PM PST by jonboy
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To: Marysecretary

She probably decided to use "Christian" when WWJD bracelets were the rage


93 posted on 03/11/2005 4:44:02 PM PST by apackof2 (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: ShinerBock
Most of the time, I just have to admit that there are many people who call themselves "Christian" who have far different opinions from Jesus' in their relationships with others.

Christ is Christ, and what He said is the Truth.

94 posted on 03/11/2005 5:08:39 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: ShinerBock

why post her email address?


95 posted on 03/11/2005 5:10:42 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: ShinerBock
It is possible for Christians to be loving, kind, conversational and respectful of persons of different faiths."

I. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

96 posted on 03/11/2005 5:12:48 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: ShinerBock
Yale Student: Reclaiming Christianity From the Christian Right

More proper title"

Claiming Christ At the Behest of My Secular Humanist Liberal Left College Teachers

97 posted on 03/11/2005 5:41:52 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: ShinerBock
my best friend looked at me through eyes tearing with frustration and said, “Your people did this.” She turned her head to the aisle and spent our trip upset and without words.

Sounds like that friend needs to get a grip.

98 posted on 03/11/2005 5:44:19 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ShinerBock
Many Christians, like myself, strongly believe in separation of church and state; are Democrats and pro-choice; support women in ministry as preachers and teachers; and believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation.

I just wish that if people are going to make up their own gods that they not incorrectly identify themselves as Christians...it confuses too many people.

99 posted on 03/11/2005 6:16:26 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Lady Heron

You asked: >>What version are you using?????<<

That was from David Stern's Jewish New Testament. He has the honesty to translate what others would not. The Greek word is simply translated "dog", but in the Jewish culture (and the John, the scribe of Revelation, was raised a Jew, as was Jesus who dictated the words), that is a reference to a male homosexual prostitute, as can be seen in Deut 28:18-19- "You are not to bring the wages of a female prostitute nor the wages of a dog (kelev) into the house of Adonai your God in payment of any vow; both of them are an abomination..."

See Stern's Jewish New Testament Commentary entry on Rev 22:15.

A similar contemporary analogue would be that the simple definition of the word 'faggot' is a bundle of sticks, while most modern contexts imply a offensive term for an openly homosexual man.




100 posted on 03/11/2005 7:09:06 PM PST by ewin
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