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To: ShinerBock
Many Christians, like myself, strongly believe in separation of church and state; are Democrats and pro-choice; support women in ministry as preachers and teachers; and believe that God loves all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation.

Take out the "pro-choice" part and I basically agree with her. 1) There is nothing wrong with a separation of church and state. In fact, it protects the church more than the state. 2) There are many good Christian, and even conservative, Democrats. Those numbers are declining though as many are realizing the Republican Party better represents their values. 3) I grew up with a sweet old lady as my Sunday School teacher. She knew more about the Bible than anyone I have ever met. I've never heard a female minister, but I don't suppose I have anything wrong with it. 4) God DOES love all people, regardless of race, creed, color or sexual orientation. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't disaprove of some actions (homosexuality being one of those). Just as God loves thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. He loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

58 posted on 03/11/2005 11:30:11 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Loves sinners?

ASV Rom 9:11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, 12it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated. 14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, For this very purpose did I raise thee up, that I might show in thee my power, and that my name might be published abroad in all the earth…...

(keep going for two more chapters, it will keep you humble)

Scripture does not say God is Love, Love, Love. It says he is Holy, holy, holy(Isa 6:3). This is the only trait of his raised to this level, and it is for this reason that we shall fear God. We seem never to tire of talking about his love, but we rarely talk of his holiness. It is only from the perspective of his Holiness, can we can just scratch the surface of his amazing grace.

When all else fails, read the instructions (CCEL > Bibles and Commentaries)

87 posted on 03/11/2005 1:35:16 PM PST by isaiah55version11_0
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