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Is Relying On Foreign Law An Impeachable Offense?
Eagle Forum ^ | March 16, 2005 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 03/16/2005 11:19:13 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

"By what conceivable warrant can nine lawyers presume to be the authoritative conscience of the Nation?" So asked an incredulous Justice Antonin Scalia in response to the latest outrage by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Five activist justices (not even nine) just imposed their personal social preference on every American voter, state legislator, congressman, and juror. Adding insult to injury, the supremacist five used foreign laws, "international opinion," and even an unratified treaty to rationalize overturning more than 200 years of American law and history.

Justice Anthony Kennedy's majority opinion in Roper v. Simmons is a prime example of liberal judges changing our Constitution based on their judge-invented notion that its meaning is "evolving." He presumed to rewrite the Eighth Amendment.

The murder involved in this case was particularly heinous. Christopher Simmons persuaded a fellow teenager to help him commit a brutal murder after assuring him they could "get away with it" because they were both under age eighteen.

Simmons met his pal at 2 a.m. and they broke into Shirley Crook's home as she slept. Simmons and his fellow teenager bound her hands, covered her eyes with duct tape, put her in her own minivan, and drove to a state park.

There they hog-tied her hands and feet together with electrical wire, wrapped her entire face in duct tape, and threw her body from a railroad trestle into the Meramec River. Mrs. Crook drowned helplessly, and her body was found later by fishermen.

Showing no remorse, Simmons bragged about his killing to his friends, declaring that he did it "because the bitch seen my face." He confessed quickly after his arrest and even agreed to reenact the crime on video.

A jury of his peers listened to his attorney's argument that youthful indiscretion should mitigate punishment; the jury observed Simmons' demeanor at trial and heard from a slew of witnesses. After an exhaustive trial and full consideration of age as a factor, the jury and judge imposed the death sentence as allowed by Missouri law.

The American system allows a jury to recommend life-or-death following due process and the applicable law enacted by the representatives of the people of the state. Nothing in the text or history of the Eighth Amendment denies Missouri juries and state legislatures the right to make this decision.

The Supreme Court's main argument was the "trend" since 1989 that seven countries (Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria, Congo, and China) have banned juvenile capital punishment. Justices Kennedy, Ginsburg, Breyer, Stevens and Souter changed U.S. law so we can follow the lead of those seven countries.

Only four U.S. states have legislated against the juvenile death penalty since 1989 (but none of them was executing juveniles anyway). On the other hand, Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Virginia all allow the death penalty for a seventeen-year-old who commits a particularly shocking murder.

The supremacist five claimed that most other countries don't execute seventeen-year-olds. However, most other countries don't have capital punishment at all, so there is no distinction between seventeen- and eighteen-year-olds.

Furthermore, most other countries don't allow jury trials or other Bill of Rights guarantees, so who knows if the accused ever gets what we would call a fair trial? Over 90 percent of jury trials are in the United States, and we certainly don't want to conform to non-jury-trial countries.

The supremacist five must think they can dictate evolution of the meaning of treaties as well as of the text of the Constitution.

They cited the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which our Senate year after year has refused to ratify. They also cited the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which we ratified only with a reservation specifically excluding the matter of juvenile capital punishment.

DC sniper Lee Malvo was seventeen during his infamous killing rampage, so now serial killers like him won't have to worry about the death penalty. The terrorists and the vicious Salvadoran gangs will be able to assign seventeen-year-olds as their hit men so they can "get away with it."

We recall that the Supreme Court ruled in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992 that it could not overturnRoe v. Wade because that might undermine "the Court's legitimacy." But in the Simmons case, the Court flatly overturned its own decision about juvenile capital punishment in Stanford v. Kentucky only 16 years ago.

As Justice Scalia pointed out in dissent, the Court's invocation of foreign law is both contrived and disingenuous. The big majority of countries reject U.S.-style abortion on demand, so the supremacist justices conveniently omitted that "international opinion."

Our runaway judiciary is badly in need of restraint by Congress. A good place to start would be a law declaring it an impeachable offense for justices to rely on foreign law in overriding the U.S. Constitution or congressional or state law.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: court; getarope; globalism; judges; justices; ropervsimmons; schlafly; scotus; supreme; supremecourt; transjudicialism
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To: ndt

So what basis for law would you like?
Anarchy?


41 posted on 03/16/2005 12:07:17 PM PST by Darksheare (I need to keep painting my wall red or the thing living in it will get out and get us all.)
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To: All
YES! (impeached, fired, whatever). I don't want to sound like a fool because I am not an authority on this, but common sense tells me that any judge making decisions for U.S. citizens, should relay only and exclusively on U.S. law.

Anyone deviating from this simple principle should be fired. This is so clear and simple in my mind, that I actully understand it. :)
42 posted on 03/16/2005 12:07:54 PM PST by ElPatriota
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All
Maybe SCOTUS should have looked at these two instances as well.

Iran's 'desert vampire' executed

N. Korea: First-ever Video of Public Execution Smuggled Out(PHOTOs here; Japan's N-TV to air video)

43 posted on 03/16/2005 12:08:20 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: Darksheare

NOt to start a side argument, but that would depend on your definition of "anarchy".


44 posted on 03/16/2005 12:11:01 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well, yeah.
It would depend on one's definition of anarchy.


45 posted on 03/16/2005 12:11:49 PM PST by Darksheare (I need to keep painting my wall red or the thing living in it will get out and get us all.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"The opinion of the world community, while not controlling our outcome, does provide respected and significant confirmation for our own conclusions." Of course not! He wasn't stupid enough to say that it had a direct influence on the decision, even if it did.
46 posted on 03/16/2005 12:12:58 PM PST by adorno
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To: Darksheare

I really wasn't trying to be flippant. And the differences between prevailing "anarchy" definitions/theories are rather profound.


47 posted on 03/16/2005 12:14:17 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: adorno
Of course not! He wasn't stupid enough to say that it had a direct influence on the decision, even if it did.

Sure. The 25+ citations from U.S. cases was just to throw everybody off track, right? </sarcasm>

48 posted on 03/16/2005 12:14:20 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Dead Corpse

I know.


49 posted on 03/16/2005 12:14:59 PM PST by Darksheare (I need to keep painting my wall red or the thing living in it will get out and get us all.)
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To: etcetera
If the Supreme court makes a decision that is unconstitutional, who calls them on that?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Next question?

50 posted on 03/16/2005 12:15:46 PM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: Kretek
"the real "offense" is rendering a decision with which people politically disagree."

Nope. The real offense is their blatant disregard for their oath of office in defying the written word of the U.S. Constitution. See post #29.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

51 posted on 03/16/2005 12:16:03 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: muawiyah

I think bringing foreign laws into play in an American court is actually a capital offense.

Capital executable offense.


52 posted on 03/16/2005 12:16:27 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You can disagree with their decisions but I don’t see this as impeachable.

Our laws have always been based on foreign law. Judges must take into consideration of Tariffs and should observe foreign law to influence not take directly from the foreign law, which I see no sign of that here.

53 posted on 03/16/2005 12:21:23 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes!

54 posted on 03/16/2005 12:23:37 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

"American Laws" must mean those laws and governances actually adopted by the legislature of the US. What the provenance of these laws is is immaterial. They could be originally from Wales, and it wouldn't matter. Once adopted, they are American laws.

Now Phyllis is recommending impeachment for use of foreign laws - meaning those laws and governances NOT adopted by the legislature of the US, but other legislatures (and not necessarily currently existing legislatures)

Some posters are getting a bit hung up on where America got its laws from. Doesn't matter. What matters is what laws it has adopted - those are what the courts should be judging, and are the only things that fall within their competence. Phyllis is onto something - if its possible to impeach a President for doing his job badly (and it is), then it's certainly possible to impeach a judge.


55 posted on 03/16/2005 12:23:41 PM PST by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

But in this case it was influnced not taken directly from foreign law.


56 posted on 03/16/2005 12:27:59 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn
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To: adorno
Of course not! He wasn't stupid enough to say that it had a direct influence on the decision, even if it did.

So, you have psychic powers, I take it?

57 posted on 03/16/2005 12:28:13 PM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: bigsigh

No just that Common Law is the more direct basis


58 posted on 03/16/2005 12:28:55 PM PST by brooklyn dave
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To: Steve Van Doorn
You can disagree with their decisions but I don’t see this as impeachable.

Who judges the Judgers?

How does one deal with a rogue Supreme? it may have been "unthinkable" until recently, but so what?

Lots of things are accepted today that were unthinkable 50 years ago...

59 posted on 03/16/2005 12:30:17 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: brooklyn dave

dave of course because the romans were around with a more sophisticated legal system when the brits were still fighting naked.


60 posted on 03/16/2005 12:33:36 PM PST by bigsigh
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