Skip to comments.(Vanity) An Open Letter of Thanks To Freepers Re Terri Schiavo, From One Who Frequently Disagrees
Posted on 03/16/2005 12:21:57 PM PST by pleasedontzotme
This is my first post here, and it may very well be my only one, but I wanted to just thank you all for being such a great resource for information on the Terri Schiavo case.
I usually come here when my blood pressure is just too low, because Id have to say I usually (okay, almost always) disagree with the views expressed here. (dons flame suit) But I admire you folks as a community of individuals who care about each other and about your country. While I disagree with most of the policies espoused here, you still are patriotic Americans and it shines through. There is clearly an intelligence to the discussion level here and I learn many facts.
Through lurking here on FR (and, lets be honest, that IS what Im doing :-) ), Ive gotten to learn so much about the Terri Schiavo case. As a third-year law student and one who has recently had the opportunity to watch the justice system at its absolute worst in a case involving a dear friend of mine, I am gravely concerned by the way Judge Greer has acted, and the ignoring of the misdeeds of Michael Schiavo. (Not to mention the darned videos of Terri, which so clearly show her to be responsive. Or the refusal of Michael S. or Greer to allow her to go through therapy. Or Michaels 1992 testimony I want to care for her for the rest of her life... (ugh) Or...well, I could go on.
Anyway, folks, the information yall have provided here on this issue has been terrific. Regardless of the outcome of this case, and I dont know that I have a whole lot of hope for a good outcome, I just wanted to say how much fun it is being on the same side of the fence with you all for once.
Now, if youll excuse me, Im going to go back to hugging a tree or putting on Birkenstocks or eating Ben & Jerrys, or whatever it is that people like me do.
Respectfully, gRATefully (just a tip of the hat to Freeper sensibilities), and with hope Terris life can be spared,
Birkenstocks, if ya really wear them.
Nevermind, just saw the other post.
Hey, try 'em!
My suggestion, examine the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. If He rose, He proves His case to be God Himself, and then His teachings are true. Read those teachings to get a foundation for your philosophical and ethical and intellectual views.
Your politics or profession aren't the issue to God. It's what do you think of Jesus Christ, do you believe and trust Him for your information about morality, eternity, etc, or do you not believe.
Your worldview can never be right if it's based on contadictions to the eyewitness evidences corroborating Jesus' real, physical resurrection and Deity. Welcome here!
Keeps the mods busy! :-)
"Welcome to the party, Pal."
You sound well reasoned. I hope you will stick around awhile.
One thing about FreeRepublic---you can't be here long and not learn a whole lot. Freepers are some of the most intelligent folks on the planet, matched only by their innate goodness.
You seem like you would be more at home here than at say, DU.
In general, I have found there to be just a paucity of reporting, good, bad or indifferent, on this case, to my great frustration. The link to the site that was hacked last night (the name of which escapes me, something like the Herald-Journal) has had up-to-date information, but I do view that as advocacy/journalism and hence do tend to be a little suspicious of it. I think the St. Pete newspaper has done the best. (I've learned that often, a national news story is best covered by the papers to which it is local news.)
My feelings on media bias are complicated. I do think there can be a liberal bias in the media sometimes, and that irks me; however, I also think that "liberal media bias!" sometimes becomes a rallying cry whenever conservatives don't like what is printed. (Democrats also do this frequently.)
The biggest bias, I sometimes think, is an anti-whoeversupthatday story. In 1992, the story was all about how George Bush (41) couldn't keep from looking at his watch. In the first two years of Clinton's term, it was about how disorganized he was (which, btw, he was). It's like the old analogy of presidential debates to auto races. People don't come to watch them for the racing, they come to watch them for the crashes. The media's the same.
Anyway, I'd like to see someone, at some point, do a lengthy, in-depth reporting on the folks in the Schiavo matter. Not just who they are now, but what they were like before. How the whole thing has played out.
I was telling my grandma about the case (she is a pro-life Catholic) and she started out believing that it was a case of "parents wanting to hang on to something that isn't there" and moved to being much more agreeable that it was a travesty of justice when I explained how sleazy Michael S. is.
I think once you chek oput the areas of agreement you will find you are really a Republican
Liberals do not believe in wasteful govt spending- ALL govt spending is good for them
Are you closer to communist or capitalist? I got news for you- most of the hollyweird leftist types are actually promoting communist goals (and they know it)
Now here is the clincher- How do you feel about universal health care? (Otherwise known as socialized -or socialist - medicine) If you like it then I urge you to go look at every place it is in practice right now (U.K. and Canada) and see how it has ruined their health care system.
There is no better way to make something cost WAY TOO MUCH than to make it FREE. It is simple- if you stood on the corner giving away $100 bills, how many people would line up for it? But if you make them do some work for it.. then what?
You're even farther along than I imagined. With all those GREAT role models, we can cut the time that you see the light to maybe 3 1/2 months.... :-)
Welcome to you !!!
Chop the tree for firewood, pack the Birkenstocks away, and let the Ben and Jerry's melt! ;-)
Come on in and stay a while.
You could probably learn a few things!
I've been a conservative all my life, before I even knew what it meant..........and I still learn new information!
Come back and post again.
You'll find many differing opinions even on this site, and as long as you can defend your point of view or not deliberately trash somebody personally, we'd love to have you.
I don't know, I think my dad does the Republican thing just to be contrary. :-)
If y'all ever talked to him, you'd probably start deploying pictures of horned animals as you do for certain Arizona senators not named Jon Kyl.
There are a lot of Democrats who have a problem with the Terri case - they see it for what it is - murder.
Stay away from these threads:
anything with Clinton
and you'll have fun.
I suggest you get on the "Just Damn" ping list first. Lots of fun folks with a good sense of humor - stories on the bizarre, absurd, funny, and outrageous.
"But I think laws to protect the most helpless among us are COMPLETELY appropriate."
I agree. But, it's annoying when we have judges interpreting from the bench what "helpless" is, or what "vegetative state" means when this moron (and I'm being NICE) hasn't even SEEN Terri. Not once!
Don't ever forget for a moment that it's her scumbag husband behind all of this. There is no doubt in my mind that he had a big hand in Terri's condition at the time she was braindamaged. And then to go further by denying her appropriate care and rehab which could've vastly improved her quality of life were it not denied 20 some years ago?
He wants her to die, and he's having the courts and a liberal judge help in her execution.
This could be any of us, had we chosen poorly when it came to a mate.
I'm going to go have dinner with my non-homicidal husband now...but if you don't hear from me within the next hour, I want it known that I DON'T want the plug pulled on me, LOL!
Oh, then you have to get on the Prayer ping list.
Anyboyd who needs fellowship and prayers, we pray for them - it's a close-knit group. The best part is when the updates come back and you hear about people getting their health and family back, or how they went Home in peace.
It's very uplifting, and I come here for that now more than ever. Kinda got campaign burn-out after November 6.
"There are a lot of Democrats who have a problem with the Terri case - they see it for what it is - murder."
I know. My local, Conservative talk radio Babe had a bunch of Liberals on her show today to talk about this. Those people, too, saw Terri's case for what it truly is.
Now...if we could just get them to understand that abortion is murder, too. I don't see that happening any time soon, though. That horse is already out of the barn, down the road, in the next county and eating out of someone else's feedbag. :(
There is a case in Texas right now how a child with birth defects is being forced off life-support.
It's heart-wrenching, and a lot of Freepers have been engaged with that one. You might be interested in reading about the law, as I can't make heads or tails on how it got to the point that it did where judges were making rulings. It's a maddening thing.
The truth is finally being revealed about what that was, and, typically, as soon as it was banned, the media refused to discuss it because they knew how reprehensible it was.
Just padded back inside from having a smoke, while wearing my Birks. Thank you for the nice letter to fellow Freepers. ... But we still see no way to 'compromise' with Hillary Clinton.
I think you are talking about Baby Sun. He was taken off life support yesterday and died shortly afterwards.
"...as soon as it was banned, the media refused to discuss it because they knew how reprehensible it was."
Any hope that we could get the Clinton's "banned" in that manner? ;)
Oh man, this thread is getting freakin mushy. Break out the crying towels!
Why would you be zotted?
If you think all FReepers march in lock-step on every issue, then you haven't been lurking long enough. I think all anyone here cares about is some degree of intellectual honesty and some capacity for reasoned, rational thought, not compliance to a particular dogma.
Here is how your post would look if you were about to be zotted:
you will zot me and i dont care. you all suck ... you worship shrub and are facist nazi rednecks... btw, i agree with u on that shiavo thing, but other than that u suck. DIE FREEPER SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what most of the zot threads look like.
MurryMom is largely a troll. Her posts generally consist of the words "Dumbya" and "Repugs" arranged with some useless filler in between. However, because she is so obviously harmless the PTB (Powers That Be) decided to let her stay so as to provide target practice for the FReeper wits.
While FreeRepublic is mainly for conservatives to discuss and argue, a respectful (no flame bait, no hit-and-run posts, etc.) liberal will most likely not be canceled. Besides MurryMom I think there are other liberal or left-leaning posters who have not been zotted (cancelled).
As a liberal you may be outnumbered here and feel under siege. Just remember that there can be more ferocity between conservatives than against liberals. Just look at some of the threads on free trade, immigration, and tax reform. You might be surprised to find that we are not all bible thumpers (look at the creation/evolution threads), nor hicks (look at some of the science/technology threads). If the politics gets too much there are always the humor threads.
When things get bad and you feel alone as the sole liberal on a thread just remember there are some libertarians who get it far worse than you. :)
LOL. I got banned from DU and now I don't even visit there. It's disgusting and I hate the language. You should stick with us. you'll learn so much more and be a much better person.
That probably was an unfair observation on my part...MM doesn't truly rant (in my estimation), my experience has been, she's more likely to dash out and snap at your exposed parts, exchange a few pleasantries, and then go dormant for a while.
There are several self announced liberals here, and IMO, some who are hiding it, but that's not necessarily a disqualifying factor from what I've seen.
Abiding by the rules gets people a long way here.
That's a big difference between here and DUmmyland....we're conservatives...we believe in the Constitution, simply stating you have some liberal views here don't get you banned.
If you go to DU where the "progressives" live and stating you're a conservative will get you 86'd faster than a mosquito at a nudist convention.
Your reception here is a direct result of the open way you approached the forum, and the indication you may not be as liberal as you think.
A word of caution though, liberal talking points are not well received here. Tread lightly.
There are many reformed liberals here, stick around, you'll reform also.
Oh, that is sad.
There was a case where a baby was born without a brain (only a brain stem) and it was just as tragic. However, that baby was taken off life support and lingered. It's just so wrong.
Welcome to FR. Are you in law school here in FL?
When you get older, earn significant (and probably justly deserved) rewards, get married, settle down and have youngings that YOU are eternally responsible for - then YOU are my candidate for American Constitutional Turnaround in your lifetime. You're very close IMO...and it's all good.
If you want to read a good book (I'm reading it now), read Right Turns by Michael Medved--not about the Schiavo case but about Michael's life from very liberal 60's guy to conservative Theocon.
Hey, I have...balance for me is tricky...it's not a pretty sight!
LOL...that's roughly my plan!!!
Welcome to FR. We enjoy a friendly debate with those that disagree. As for getting zotted, who can know the ways of Kip the Admin Moderator.
Good suggestion, BeaversMom.
For our newest member, I'd also recommend writings by David Horowitz, who was even further left and more wacked out than Michael Medved could've ever dreamed of being, LOL!
"Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left" by Mr. Horowitz is informative and scarey, and you can find his writings archived here:
Welcome, and thanks for your post.
I hope you realize the ultimate irony about the Schiavo case - Judge Greer's political affiliation. We conservatives won't hesitate to turn on the highest powered spotlight available on this kind of corruption and evil.
My fondest hope is that soon, George Greer is given the same sendoff from our party that David Duke got. We do not need someone like him staining the reputation of the GOP.
Nope, in Ohio. Was in Sarasota last week, though, enjoying the sun!
Well-spoken, intelligent, reasonable, and polite. Your mama raised you right. No, we won't agree on everything -- maybe nothing but Terri, but I'll take constructive, informed, intelligent debate any day over a flame war.
Now if you were the typical DU troll, I'd have to sit back and watch the fireworks. ;-)
I'll have to check that out. (Of course, the line of books waiting to be read is quite impressive, so it may be a while.)
Horowitz sounds interesting. From the very cursory reading of the website I did, I agree with much of what he says. The "speech codes" and "free speech zones" of the nineties were toxic. Where I went to school, there was a situation where a student started up a website to report on the administration and the dissatisfaction of students with the school and faced MAJOR harassment for a looong time. (The site is still ongoing and still gets harassed.) Examples I've read of making people take down the American flag, huge restrictions on what people can say, et cetera, worry me. (For more cases like this, check out www.thefire.org ) I agree this seems to be more disproportionately visited on "conservatives," although lately, the trend seems to be "let's just not offend anyone." That's wrong.
I'm not in favor of this Academic Bill of Rights. First of all, it's unlikely this sort of legislation will ever be enforced, or if it is, enforced very sporadically. And I don't like laws that we don't enforce.
Secondly, who will be in charge of following all this up? Do we really need that?
Third, I've spent the past seven years as a student of post-secondary education. Most of my professors have been scrupulous about presenting both sides of the viewpoint, and I can't recall (although it may have happened), where I have felt there was a huge bias one way or the other. They usually put both sides of the issue.
I think academics should be expected to present both sides of issues and be able to argue them both. Every professor I've ever had has told us they would evaluate on how we make the argument. Did they? Well, I don't know, but that's a very subjective thing.
Anyway, that's my short take on it. I will be on the lookout for the book you mentioned.
No, I didn't know that he was an R...in fact, I thought I read, both on here and through independent sources, he was a D. No one around here brings that up much. ;)
But, I have to say that knowing that gives me a lot more respect for Freepers and just a little bit more respect for Greer (while still thinking he has completely been horrid on this case.)
For the Freepers...you folks have been just about as hard on him as you've been on Kerry or the Clintons, and that's saying something.
For the judge...it makes me feel a little like he's ignoring some of the politics with Governor Bush and the leg out there very clearly opposed to this. I still think he's completely wrong.
And how the heck did he win a primary last year?
At the risk of "outing" myself here...I'm also pretty liberal. I voted for Clinton both times. I first came to this site in 1997 (a few months before the Paula Jones case broke on Drudge and became a huge topic of conversation here) as a way of finding out how the "other side" thinks. Frankly, as a Democrat and Clinton voter, I started out hating everything I read on here and only came here to torture myself basically.
As time went on I started to see more and more things I agreed with (but still disagreed with a lot). I am still liberal on social issues (pro-choice on abortion, I've got nothing against gay relationships, etc. I'm pretty much "live and let live") but I found myself agreeing on a lot of other topics.
9/11 was a sea change for me. I live in New York. When my city and country was attacked by Islamofascists, I could no longer abide the kneejerk unthinking anti-Americanism of the left, an attitude that has taken over a certain portion of the Democratic party (the "Michael Moore" faction, if you will). I've always been very patriotic but I was far too complacent about tolerating casual anti-Americanism. 9/11 forced me to choose sides. With so much of the world being indoctrinated by their own dictatorial regimes into a reflexive "blame America" stance, I don't think we can afford the luxury of indulging in intellectual games about how "evil" we are. It's not an ivory tower, Noam Chomsky-esque indulgence anymore... it's life and death.
I still disagree with some things discussed on this site (some close-mindedness on social and religious issues mainly, by some people) but I've found far more that I agree with. I understand your ambivalence but I hope you stick around. I think you'll find there are some very interesting discussions here and there's no obligation that you agree with everyone on everything. That would be impossible for any of us, I think.