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(Vanity) An Open Letter of Thanks To Freepers Re Terri Schiavo, From One Who Frequently Disagrees
me | 3/16/2004 | me

Posted on 03/16/2005 12:21:57 PM PST by pleasedontzotme

Dear Freepers:

This is my first post here, and it may very well be my only one, but I wanted to just thank you all for being such a great resource for information on the Terri Schiavo case.

I usually come here when my blood pressure is just too low, because I’d have to say I usually (okay, almost always) disagree with the views expressed here. (dons flame suit) But I admire you folks as a community of individuals who care about each other and about your country. While I disagree with most of the policies espoused here, you still are patriotic Americans and it shines through. There is clearly an intelligence to the discussion level here and I learn many facts.

Through lurking here on FR (and, let’s be honest, that IS what I’m doing :-) ), I’ve gotten to learn so much about the Terri Schiavo case. As a third-year law student and one who has recently had the opportunity to watch the justice system at its absolute worst in a case involving a dear friend of mine, I am gravely concerned by the way Judge Greer has acted, and the ignoring of the misdeeds of Michael Schiavo. (Not to mention the darned videos of Terri, which so clearly show her to be responsive. Or the refusal of Michael S. or Greer to allow her to go through therapy. Or Michael’s 1992 testimony “I want to care for her for the rest of her life...” (ugh) Or...well, I could go on.

Anyway, folks, the information y’all have provided here on this issue has been terrific. Regardless of the outcome of this case, and I don’t know that I have a whole lot of hope for a good outcome, I just wanted to say how much fun it is being on the same side of the fence with you all for once.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go back to hugging a tree or putting on Birkenstocks or eating Ben & Jerry’s, or whatever it is that “people like me” do.

Respectfully, gRATefully (just a tip of the hat to Freeper sensibilities), and with hope Terri’s life can be spared,

PleaseDontZotMe


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To: evets

Thanks!


51 posted on 03/16/2005 4:41:15 PM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: pleasedontzotme
try to seek out areas of common agreement.

Birkenstocks, if ya really wear them.

52 posted on 03/16/2005 4:43:18 PM PST by Flyer (* https://dahtcom.nameservices.net *)
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To: pleasedontzotme

Nevermind, just saw the other post.

Hey, try 'em!


53 posted on 03/16/2005 4:44:28 PM PST by Flyer (* https://dahtcom.nameservices.net *)
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To: pleasedontzotme

My suggestion, examine the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. If He rose, He proves His case to be God Himself, and then His teachings are true. Read those teachings to get a foundation for your philosophical and ethical and intellectual views.

Your politics or profession aren't the issue to God. It's what do you think of Jesus Christ, do you believe and trust Him for your information about morality, eternity, etc, or do you not believe.

Your worldview can never be right if it's based on contadictions to the eyewitness evidences corroborating Jesus' real, physical resurrection and Deity. Welcome here!


54 posted on 03/16/2005 4:46:58 PM PST by gentlestrength (Repent, Michael Schiavo, and all those associated therein)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I suspected there might be a few "normal" DemocRATs out there on the web, but you'll have to excuse us if we observe you from all angles, circle you carefully, maybe tap on the glass a little, laugh at the majority of your political antics while in our captivity, and toss you peanuts or marshmallows over the fence. (Hey! We could be tossing grenades, LOL!) You're just such an odd creature amongst us, you're sure to generate much speculation. ;) I figured as much...but isn't that part of the fun of FR? The Congressional action I had heard about that sounded most promising to me was something about requiring that people in Terry's situation have an independent lawyer appointed...I may have this messed up, but I thought that was what I heard and it seemed like the most likely to stand up to constitutional challenge. While the law they put through in October, 2003 was effective for saving Terry's life at that point, there was no way (IMHO) it would survive constitutionally...it essentially allowed one branch to overrule the other. But I think laws to protect the most helpless among us are COMPLETELY appropriate.
55 posted on 03/16/2005 4:47:31 PM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: pleasedontzotme
Everyone screaming at each other will accomplish nothing.

Keeps the mods busy! :-)

"Welcome to the party, Pal."

56 posted on 03/16/2005 4:52:39 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (@100 mph, you have no friends.)
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To: pleasedontzotme
and I wanted to use this tonight. welcome.
57 posted on 03/16/2005 4:53:11 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: pleasedontzotme

You sound well reasoned. I hope you will stick around awhile.

One thing about FreeRepublic---you can't be here long and not learn a whole lot. Freepers are some of the most intelligent folks on the planet, matched only by their innate goodness.

You seem like you would be more at home here than at say, DU.


58 posted on 03/16/2005 4:53:58 PM PST by exit82 (You see, I've been to the desert on a horse with no name--then I found FreeRepublic.)
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To: VRWCmember

In general, I have found there to be just a paucity of reporting, good, bad or indifferent, on this case, to my great frustration. The link to the site that was hacked last night (the name of which escapes me, something like the Herald-Journal) has had up-to-date information, but I do view that as advocacy/journalism and hence do tend to be a little suspicious of it. I think the St. Pete newspaper has done the best. (I've learned that often, a national news story is best covered by the papers to which it is local news.)

My feelings on media bias are complicated. I do think there can be a liberal bias in the media sometimes, and that irks me; however, I also think that "liberal media bias!" sometimes becomes a rallying cry whenever conservatives don't like what is printed. (Democrats also do this frequently.)

The biggest bias, I sometimes think, is an anti-whoeversupthatday story. In 1992, the story was all about how George Bush (41) couldn't keep from looking at his watch. In the first two years of Clinton's term, it was about how disorganized he was (which, btw, he was). It's like the old analogy of presidential debates to auto races. People don't come to watch them for the racing, they come to watch them for the crashes. The media's the same.

Anyway, I'd like to see someone, at some point, do a lengthy, in-depth reporting on the folks in the Schiavo matter. Not just who they are now, but what they were like before. How the whole thing has played out.

I was telling my grandma about the case (she is a pro-life Catholic) and she started out believing that it was a case of "parents wanting to hang on to something that isn't there" and moved to being much more agreeable that it was a travesty of justice when I explained how sleazy Michael S. is.


59 posted on 03/16/2005 4:54:51 PM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: pleasedontzotme

I think once you chek oput the areas of agreement you will find you are really a Republican

Liberals do not believe in wasteful govt spending- ALL govt spending is good for them

Are you closer to communist or capitalist? I got news for you- most of the hollyweird leftist types are actually promoting communist goals (and they know it)

Now here is the clincher- How do you feel about universal health care? (Otherwise known as socialized -or socialist - medicine) If you like it then I urge you to go look at every place it is in practice right now (U.K. and Canada) and see how it has ruined their health care system.

There is no better way to make something cost WAY TOO MUCH than to make it FREE. It is simple- if you stood on the corner giving away $100 bills, how many people would line up for it? But if you make them do some work for it.. then what?


60 posted on 03/16/2005 4:55:30 PM PST by Mr. K (I plan put my "Run Hillary Run" bumper sticker on the front of my car)
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To: pleasedontzotme
(My dad, family friends, one of my good friends, et cetera.)

You're even farther along than I imagined. With all those GREAT role models, we can cut the time that you see the light to maybe 3 1/2 months.... :-)

61 posted on 03/16/2005 4:57:36 PM PST by b4its2late (Eye souport publik edekashun two.)
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To: pleasedontzotme

Welcome to you !!!
Chop the tree for firewood, pack the Birkenstocks away, and let the Ben and Jerry's melt! ;-)

Come on in and stay a while.
You could probably learn a few things!

I've been a conservative all my life, before I even knew what it meant..........and I still learn new information!


62 posted on 03/16/2005 5:01:15 PM PST by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Saviour)
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To: 506trooper
From what I can tell from Googling MurryMom, she's one of the few house liberals here? What sort of ranting does she do? See, I'm not in it for the rants. It's gonna take me a bit before I can figure out how far out on a limb I'm willing to go, because I know some folks on here can get pretty nasty and I'm also not in the mood to be banned. But I am heartened by how pleasant everyone's been so far. And believe it or not, the problem with most liberals isn't that we all think alike -- it's that we are so big tent sometimes we never stop to realize we're all trying to row in the same boat. It gets difficult. And I'm big on paragraphs, shift keys, and proper spelling. And not seeing headlines like this recent one from MSNBC: Authorities Catch Notorious Man Eating Crocodile At least buy these people a damn hyphen!
63 posted on 03/16/2005 5:01:45 PM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: pleasedontzotme

Come back and post again.
You'll find many differing opinions even on this site, and as long as you can defend your point of view or not deliberately trash somebody personally, we'd love to have you.


64 posted on 03/16/2005 5:01:46 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: b4its2late

I don't know, I think my dad does the Republican thing just to be contrary. :-)

If y'all ever talked to him, you'd probably start deploying pictures of horned animals as you do for certain Arizona senators not named Jon Kyl.


65 posted on 03/16/2005 5:03:24 PM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

There are a lot of Democrats who have a problem with the Terri case - they see it for what it is - murder.


66 posted on 03/16/2005 5:04:18 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: pleasedontzotme; mhking

Stay away from these threads:
gun rights
immigration
abortion
anything with Clinton

and you'll have fun.

I suggest you get on the "Just Damn" ping list first. Lots of fun folks with a good sense of humor - stories on the bizarre, absurd, funny, and outrageous.


67 posted on 03/16/2005 5:07:57 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: pleasedontzotme

"But I think laws to protect the most helpless among us are COMPLETELY appropriate."

I agree. But, it's annoying when we have judges interpreting from the bench what "helpless" is, or what "vegetative state" means when this moron (and I'm being NICE) hasn't even SEEN Terri. Not once!

Don't ever forget for a moment that it's her scumbag husband behind all of this. There is no doubt in my mind that he had a big hand in Terri's condition at the time she was braindamaged. And then to go further by denying her appropriate care and rehab which could've vastly improved her quality of life were it not denied 20 some years ago?

He wants her to die, and he's having the courts and a liberal judge help in her execution.

This could be any of us, had we chosen poorly when it came to a mate.

I'm going to go have dinner with my non-homicidal husband now...but if you don't hear from me within the next hour, I want it known that I DON'T want the plug pulled on me, LOL!


68 posted on 03/16/2005 5:08:48 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: pleasedontzotme; Salvation

Oh, then you have to get on the Prayer ping list.
Anyboyd who needs fellowship and prayers, we pray for them - it's a close-knit group. The best part is when the updates come back and you hear about people getting their health and family back, or how they went Home in peace.

It's very uplifting, and I come here for that now more than ever. Kinda got campaign burn-out after November 6.


69 posted on 03/16/2005 5:11:22 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: mabelkitty

"There are a lot of Democrats who have a problem with the Terri case - they see it for what it is - murder."

I know. My local, Conservative talk radio Babe had a bunch of Liberals on her show today to talk about this. Those people, too, saw Terri's case for what it truly is.

Now...if we could just get them to understand that abortion is murder, too. I don't see that happening any time soon, though. That horse is already out of the barn, down the road, in the next county and eating out of someone else's feedbag. :(


70 posted on 03/16/2005 5:12:49 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: pleasedontzotme

There is a case in Texas right now how a child with birth defects is being forced off life-support.
It's heart-wrenching, and a lot of Freepers have been engaged with that one. You might be interested in reading about the law, as I can't make heads or tails on how it got to the point that it did where judges were making rulings. It's a maddening thing.


71 posted on 03/16/2005 5:13:45 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Partial-birth abortion.
The truth is finally being revealed about what that was, and, typically, as soon as it was banned, the media refused to discuss it because they knew how reprehensible it was.


72 posted on 03/16/2005 5:16:59 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: pleasedontzotme

Just padded back inside from having a smoke, while wearing my Birks. Thank you for the nice letter to fellow Freepers. ... But we still see no way to 'compromise' with Hillary Clinton.


73 posted on 03/16/2005 5:22:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: mabelkitty

I think you are talking about Baby Sun. He was taken off life support yesterday and died shortly afterwards.


74 posted on 03/16/2005 5:29:15 PM PST by kalee (Kalee's Tinfoil Bonnets, purveyor of stylish tinfoil millinery since 2000.)
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To: mabelkitty

"...as soon as it was banned, the media refused to discuss it because they knew how reprehensible it was."

Any hope that we could get the Clinton's "banned" in that manner? ;)


75 posted on 03/16/2005 5:31:12 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: pleasedontzotme; martin_fierro

Oh man, this thread is getting freakin mushy. Break out the crying towels!


76 posted on 03/16/2005 5:32:02 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (@100 mph, you have no friends.)
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To: pleasedontzotme
You understand sentence construction. You can spell. You possess the capacity for rational thought (at least on this particular subject.) You didn't call us Neanderthal Nazi redneck fascists. You didn't refer to the President as 'Chimpy'.

Why would you be zotted?

If you think all FReepers march in lock-step on every issue, then you haven't been lurking long enough. I think all anyone here cares about is some degree of intellectual honesty and some capacity for reasoned, rational thought, not compliance to a particular dogma.

Here is how your post would look if you were about to be zotted:

freeper scum:

you will zot me and i dont care. you all suck ... you worship shrub and are facist nazi rednecks... btw, i agree with u on that shiavo thing, but other than that u suck. DIE FREEPER SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is what most of the zot threads look like.

77 posted on 03/16/2005 5:37:43 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: pleasedontzotme

MurryMom is largely a troll. Her posts generally consist of the words "Dumbya" and "Repugs" arranged with some useless filler in between. However, because she is so obviously harmless the PTB (Powers That Be) decided to let her stay so as to provide target practice for the FReeper wits.

While FreeRepublic is mainly for conservatives to discuss and argue, a respectful (no flame bait, no hit-and-run posts, etc.) liberal will most likely not be canceled. Besides MurryMom I think there are other liberal or left-leaning posters who have not been zotted (cancelled).

As a liberal you may be outnumbered here and feel under siege. Just remember that there can be more ferocity between conservatives than against liberals. Just look at some of the threads on free trade, immigration, and tax reform. You might be surprised to find that we are not all bible thumpers (look at the creation/evolution threads), nor hicks (look at some of the science/technology threads). If the politics gets too much there are always the humor threads.

When things get bad and you feel alone as the sole liberal on a thread just remember there are some libertarians who get it far worse than you. :)


78 posted on 03/16/2005 5:51:15 PM PST by evilC ([573]Tag Server Error, Tag not found)
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To: pleasedontzotme

LOL. I got banned from DU and now I don't even visit there. It's disgusting and I hate the language. You should stick with us. you'll learn so much more and be a much better person.


79 posted on 03/16/2005 6:01:45 PM PST by queenkathy
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To: pleasedontzotme
"...MurryMom, she's one of the few house liberals here? What sort of ranting does she do..."

That probably was an unfair observation on my part...MM doesn't truly rant (in my estimation), my experience has been, she's more likely to dash out and snap at your exposed parts, exchange a few pleasantries, and then go dormant for a while.

There are several self announced liberals here, and IMO, some who are hiding it, but that's not necessarily a disqualifying factor from what I've seen.

Abiding by the rules gets people a long way here.

That's a big difference between here and DUmmyland....we're conservatives...we believe in the Constitution, simply stating you have some liberal views here don't get you banned.

If you go to DU where the "progressives" live and stating you're a conservative will get you 86'd faster than a mosquito at a nudist convention.

Your reception here is a direct result of the open way you approached the forum, and the indication you may not be as liberal as you think.

A word of caution though, liberal talking points are not well received here. Tread lightly.

There are many reformed liberals here, stick around, you'll reform also.

80 posted on 03/16/2005 6:10:25 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: All

81 posted on 03/16/2005 7:02:25 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I wish!


82 posted on 03/16/2005 7:31:10 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: kalee

Oh, that is sad.
There was a case where a baby was born without a brain (only a brain stem) and it was just as tragic. However, that baby was taken off life support and lingered. It's just so wrong.


83 posted on 03/16/2005 7:32:38 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: pleasedontzotme
"As a third-year law student and one who has recently had the opportunity to watch the justice system at its absolute worst in a case involving a dear friend of mine, I am gravely concerned by the way Judge Greer has acted, and the ignoring of the misdeeds of Michael Schiavo. (Not to mention the darned videos of Terri, which so clearly show her to be responsive."

Welcome to FR. Are you in law school here in FL?

84 posted on 03/16/2005 7:35:32 PM PST by cyn
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To: pleasedontzotme

When you get older, earn significant (and probably justly deserved) rewards, get married, settle down and have youngings that YOU are eternally responsible for - then YOU are my candidate for American Constitutional Turnaround in your lifetime. You're very close IMO...and it's all good.


85 posted on 03/16/2005 7:36:24 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: pleasedontzotme
You can go directly here to email your Senators and/or Representatives:

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

86 posted on 03/16/2005 8:02:40 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: pleasedontzotme

If you want to read a good book (I'm reading it now), read Right Turns by Michael Medved--not about the Schiavo case but about Michael's life from very liberal 60's guy to conservative Theocon.


87 posted on 03/16/2005 9:56:14 PM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: pleasedontzotme

Good.


88 posted on 03/17/2005 4:35:28 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: Flyer

Hey, I have...balance for me is tricky...it's not a pretty sight!


89 posted on 03/17/2005 4:38:38 AM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: mabelkitty

LOL...that's roughly my plan!!!


90 posted on 03/17/2005 4:39:56 AM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: mabelkitty
Kinda got campaign burn-out after November 6.

It's nice to hear it affected people on both sides of the aisle. Of course, since you're from Ohio, you probably understand how incredibly intense last fall was.
91 posted on 03/17/2005 4:42:44 AM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: pleasedontzotme

Welcome to FR. We enjoy a friendly debate with those that disagree. As for getting zotted, who can know the ways of Kip the Admin Moderator.


92 posted on 03/17/2005 4:43:15 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: beaversmom

Good suggestion, BeaversMom.

For our newest member, I'd also recommend writings by David Horowitz, who was even further left and more wacked out than Michael Medved could've ever dreamed of being, LOL!

"Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left" by Mr. Horowitz is informative and scarey, and you can find his writings archived here:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/AboutHorowitz/index.asp


93 posted on 03/17/2005 6:33:16 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: pleasedontzotme

Welcome, and thanks for your post.

I hope you realize the ultimate irony about the Schiavo case - Judge Greer's political affiliation. We conservatives won't hesitate to turn on the highest powered spotlight available on this kind of corruption and evil.

My fondest hope is that soon, George Greer is given the same sendoff from our party that David Duke got. We do not need someone like him staining the reputation of the GOP.


94 posted on 03/17/2005 6:39:16 AM PST by Darnright (No matter how sick a person is, he is and will always be a man, never becoming a vegetable or animal)
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To: pleasedontzotme
Laws that protect the most helpless (and Innocent) among us from being killed ARE completely appropriate. Agreed on that.

Laws that take, at the point of a gun and threat of jail, the fruits of a man or woman's labor and gives it to another is NOT appropriate. Your right, the devil is in the details.

Law has a duty to protect life and liberty and that is what is being done in this case. Law does not have a role in supplying medical insurance, a retirement plan etc at the expense of others.

I am happy to agree with you on the issue of Terri and I hope to have an opportunity to debate / argue / flame on a myriad of other topics.

Welcome
95 posted on 03/17/2005 7:03:45 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: cyn

Nope, in Ohio. Was in Sarasota last week, though, enjoying the sun!


96 posted on 03/17/2005 8:07:33 AM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: pleasedontzotme

Well-spoken, intelligent, reasonable, and polite. Your mama raised you right. No, we won't agree on everything -- maybe nothing but Terri, but I'll take constructive, informed, intelligent debate any day over a flame war.

Now if you were the typical DU troll, I'd have to sit back and watch the fireworks. ;-)


97 posted on 03/17/2005 8:21:17 AM PST by kimmie7 (Seems these days the weatherman should start the forecast with, "Turn to the book of Revelation...")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I'll have to check that out. (Of course, the line of books waiting to be read is quite impressive, so it may be a while.)

Horowitz sounds interesting. From the very cursory reading of the website I did, I agree with much of what he says. The "speech codes" and "free speech zones" of the nineties were toxic. Where I went to school, there was a situation where a student started up a website to report on the administration and the dissatisfaction of students with the school and faced MAJOR harassment for a looong time. (The site is still ongoing and still gets harassed.) Examples I've read of making people take down the American flag, huge restrictions on what people can say, et cetera, worry me. (For more cases like this, check out www.thefire.org ) I agree this seems to be more disproportionately visited on "conservatives," although lately, the trend seems to be "let's just not offend anyone." That's wrong.

I'm not in favor of this Academic Bill of Rights. First of all, it's unlikely this sort of legislation will ever be enforced, or if it is, enforced very sporadically. And I don't like laws that we don't enforce.

Secondly, who will be in charge of following all this up? Do we really need that?

Third, I've spent the past seven years as a student of post-secondary education. Most of my professors have been scrupulous about presenting both sides of the viewpoint, and I can't recall (although it may have happened), where I have felt there was a huge bias one way or the other. They usually put both sides of the issue.

I think academics should be expected to present both sides of issues and be able to argue them both. Every professor I've ever had has told us they would evaluate on how we make the argument. Did they? Well, I don't know, but that's a very subjective thing.

Anyway, that's my short take on it. I will be on the lookout for the book you mentioned.


98 posted on 03/17/2005 8:22:01 AM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: Darnright

No, I didn't know that he was an R...in fact, I thought I read, both on here and through independent sources, he was a D. No one around here brings that up much. ;)

But, I have to say that knowing that gives me a lot more respect for Freepers and just a little bit more respect for Greer (while still thinking he has completely been horrid on this case.)

For the Freepers...you folks have been just about as hard on him as you've been on Kerry or the Clintons, and that's saying something.

For the judge...it makes me feel a little like he's ignoring some of the politics with Governor Bush and the leg out there very clearly opposed to this. I still think he's completely wrong.

And how the heck did he win a primary last year?


99 posted on 03/17/2005 8:25:08 AM PST by pleasedontzotme
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To: pleasedontzotme

At the risk of "outing" myself here...I'm also pretty liberal. I voted for Clinton both times. I first came to this site in 1997 (a few months before the Paula Jones case broke on Drudge and became a huge topic of conversation here) as a way of finding out how the "other side" thinks. Frankly, as a Democrat and Clinton voter, I started out hating everything I read on here and only came here to torture myself basically.

As time went on I started to see more and more things I agreed with (but still disagreed with a lot). I am still liberal on social issues (pro-choice on abortion, I've got nothing against gay relationships, etc. I'm pretty much "live and let live") but I found myself agreeing on a lot of other topics.

9/11 was a sea change for me. I live in New York. When my city and country was attacked by Islamofascists, I could no longer abide the kneejerk unthinking anti-Americanism of the left, an attitude that has taken over a certain portion of the Democratic party (the "Michael Moore" faction, if you will). I've always been very patriotic but I was far too complacent about tolerating casual anti-Americanism. 9/11 forced me to choose sides. With so much of the world being indoctrinated by their own dictatorial regimes into a reflexive "blame America" stance, I don't think we can afford the luxury of indulging in intellectual games about how "evil" we are. It's not an ivory tower, Noam Chomsky-esque indulgence anymore... it's life and death.

I still disagree with some things discussed on this site (some close-mindedness on social and religious issues mainly, by some people) but I've found far more that I agree with. I understand your ambivalence but I hope you stick around. I think you'll find there are some very interesting discussions here and there's no obligation that you agree with everyone on everything. That would be impossible for any of us, I think.


100 posted on 03/17/2005 3:57:43 PM PST by saquin
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