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Mexican president announces initiative for North American cooperation
Fort Worth Star-Telegram/AP ^ | March 16, 2005 | John Rice

Posted on 03/16/2005 1:45:46 PM PST by La Enchiladita

MEXICO CITY - The leaders of the United States, Mexico and Canada, confronting the growth of rival groups in Europe and Asia, hope to strengthen their free-trade pact by signing an "Initiative for North America" next week in Texas, Mexico President Vicente Fox said Wednesday.

But Fox made clear that tensions remain over how to secure the countries' borders, criticizing new U.S. walls running along parts of its 2,000-mile frontier with Mexico. "No country that is proud of itself should build walls," he said.

Fox, President Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin are scheduled to meet March 23 at Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch during Bush's Easter vacation.

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Speaking at a news conference with U.S. and Canadian reporters, Fox vowed to take legal action against migrant-hunting vigilantes in Arizona and promised to fight terrorism.

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But in both Spanish and English, Fox repeatedly expressed concern about state initiatives to limit rights of migrants and services for them in the United States, and about the U.S. government's effort to slow migration by building walls.

"We are convinced that walls don't work. They should be torn down," Fox said. He called the walls "discriminatory; they attack liberty. So no country that is proud of itself should build walls. Nobody can isolate himself these days."

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He said Mexicans "totally reject" the migrant hunters recently formed in Arizona to help stem the illegal crossings there, which have risen partly because of the construction of walls elsewhere. The vigilantes "are completely in violation of American law itself and in violation of laws anywhere," Fox said.

He said Mexico "will be very alert to react legally against any lawbreaking" by those groups, either under U.S. or international law.

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TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Florida; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
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To: DumpsterDiver

They sure ain't Fullbright Scholars...................


101 posted on 03/16/2005 6:17:11 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: HighFlier
Yeah, but the Prez at the time changed his mind and wanted the whole thing. We should have done it then.

Yes, that is true -- and not very well known. When the Army had Mexico City under occupation, lots of members of Congress (mostly southern) wanted us to annex the whole thing. Had someone else been in office rather than President Polk, it might have turned out differently.

103 posted on 03/16/2005 6:37:00 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: hyguy

Hey, yeah!! We can protect our country, and be PC all in one fell swoop!!


104 posted on 03/16/2005 6:37:12 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: FreedomCalls

...well, probly better late than too late.


105 posted on 03/16/2005 6:40:46 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell


Go Laura Go!


106 posted on 03/16/2005 6:41:08 PM PST by devolve ( My-WWII-Musical-Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WWII.html http://pro.lookingat.us/DeadZone.html)
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To: ApesForEvolution

All these acronyms . .


107 posted on 03/16/2005 6:42:20 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Since Pres. Fox wants us to open the border to let anyone that wants in to come on in. Well lets make that a two way street with Americans premitted to go to Mexico, buy and hold property, buy and open business and receive free education, medical, etc supplied by the government (people) of Mexico. I would love to own some beach front property south of the border.


108 posted on 03/16/2005 6:43:04 PM PST by engrpat
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To: La Enchiladita

[[He said Mexicans "totally reject" the migrant hunters recently formed in Arizona to help stem the illegal crossings there, which have risen partly because of the construction of walls elsewhere.]]

Too dam bad Vincent!


109 posted on 03/16/2005 6:45:25 PM PST by JarheadFromFlorida (Ooorahhhh........Get Some! Semper Fi')
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To: La Enchiladita
Absolutely unreal.
110 posted on 03/16/2005 6:45:45 PM PST by Modok
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To: engrpat

How about a big, fat MexicanAmerinuck private SS account check on the beach in Mexico!!! lol /s


111 posted on 03/16/2005 6:48:49 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: FreedomCalls
From what I read in Gone for Soldiers, Polk changed his mind and wanted all of Mexico, but the head of the US delegation ignored his requests, such as communication was back then.

Then again, that is just an historical novel, but I don't Shaara would have made that point up.
112 posted on 03/16/2005 6:54:32 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: La Enchiladita

I have pushed it here many times, and I am sure that some of the mods have considered giving me a time out or banning me completely. If I said what I truly think about Vincente Fox and his bullshit statements in this article, I would be banned for sure. So I will tone it down and say this:

Vincente Fox is the perfect a$$hole to be leading his corrupt, $4177y little country. This arrogant prick has absolutely NO RIGHT to tell us how we should police our borders or who we should allow into our country. He sees no irony in making his country's largest industry the export of its peoples illegally into a neighboring country and having trhe taxpayers of that country foot the bill for his failures. The worst thing about the United States is that we share a border with the cesspool of corruption and lawlessness that is Mexico.


113 posted on 03/16/2005 6:58:14 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: La Enchiladita

"No country that is proud of itself should build walls." Sez Fox. In that case,Vicente, perhaps your Mexico, with not one d*mn thing to be proud of, should be building the wall to keep it's citizens from fleeing, as East Germany once did.


114 posted on 03/16/2005 7:07:34 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (When the left hates you, rejoice, for you are right!!!!!)
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To: Txsleuth

""If I didn't live so far away, I would join the Minutemen!!""

Same here my friend.


115 posted on 03/16/2005 7:09:20 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: ApesForEvolution
Sure thing. Wonder if I can collect social security and whatever Mexico has if anything while watching the sunsets on a nice beach. You know, Fox just may be onto something here...sure open the border but it must be two way traffic with rights guaranteed. Knew the Spanish classes I have been taking would come in handy. Oh not to worry, we can force Mexico to print everything and supply all services in English. Yup think Fox may be onto something here.
116 posted on 03/16/2005 7:32:48 PM PST by engrpat
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To: engrpat

See, now you're getting your mind right, amigo!

LOL

Series, I would *LOVE* for us to 'tough love' Mexico into a good neighbor or at LEAST a place to spend more time and money in.

Hell, hablo espanol MUY BIEN! lol


117 posted on 03/16/2005 7:38:08 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Dat Mon
Male Pride they sat on their asses and watched the woman work and made a sewer out the country now they want to bring this "Culture" here. Pride in being a roach.
118 posted on 03/16/2005 7:44:19 PM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart)
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To: anniegetyourgun; MeekOneGOP; Travis McGee; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; ...


You have made a significant point.

The FBI-DOJ Uniform Crime Report never seems to "report" any crime/violent crime statistics in San Juan, Puerto Rico or other cities in PR.

Much higher violent crime rates than even our worst urban cities here in the states.

DC, Chicago, New Orleans, South Central LA, Gary, Detroit, Houston, St/ Louis, Philadelphia and many other large urban cities (many have gun-bans or "elitist-leftist only FA permits") have murder rates and other violent crime rates about 25+ times the crime rate of the rest of the USA.

Somehow the democrats in these urban high-minority cities have decided to mandate that blacks (still after 150+ years) under their thumbs? are still on the plantation and that the US Constitution's 2nd Ammendment does not apply to the honest ancestors of American black slaves (or hispanics, whites, Asians, native American Indians, ....) very strange as many of the large urban cities now have black Mayors (with armed bodyguards do ya think?) and a majority black City Council and a majority of black Judges.

I have asked the FBI, NRA, DOJ, my 2 US Senators and my RINO US Rep why Puerto Rico (and some other high-crime cities) cannot manage to give the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the United States Department of Justice "fairly accurate" totals of various types of crimes, "alleged perpetrators" (see how PC I can be?), victims, racial/ethnic breakdowns (the FBI-DOJ annual Uniform Crime Report does not list those of hispanic ancestry in a separate category/column - only "white", "black", "Asian", and "other"?) [why I wonder???]

But I digress - Puerto Rico has an astronomical crime rate - don't report/publish it and nobody will know?

In Puerto Rico they have used Puerto Rico's National Guard to surround and search large urban public housing complexes (much like Bill Clinton once had Chicago's public housing units searched and "tossed" - as they were federally subsidized - talk about "abuse of Civil Liberties"!)

Citizens in Puerto Rico also get a "unique" income tax break and mega perks and subsidies paid for by the citizens of the 50 US states taxes.

No wonder they did not/do not scream/vote for Independence or Statehood!

They can catch a jet, move to the states and vote in NYC and also in still in PR.

Annexing Mexico would be like Puerto Rico times a trillion headaches/criminals.

Mexico and many other foreign nations are so corrupted that any who come here (esp. illegal aliens ) bring with them the deadly poisons and cultures they grew up in an participated in.

See Thomas Jefferson on this little un-PC goodie.....


A parting thought - Mexico bans their citizens from owning most firearms (dangerous Washington DC is 100% gun-banned over 27 years!) - yet has incredibly high violent crime rates and totals - many, oddly with those same banned firearms!

Sarah Brady - You are badly needed in Mexico City and San Juan! - Jets are leaving every half hour - Don't forget to drag Jim along so you get your much larger "Speaker's Bureau" $25,000 a night banquet-speech fee!


119 posted on 03/16/2005 7:44:25 PM PST by devolve ( My-WWII-Musical-Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WWII.html http://pro.lookingat.us/DeadZone.html)
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To: devolve

Mexico will 'annex' us before it is over.


120 posted on 03/16/2005 7:47:27 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: devolve
Before smearing all Puerto Ricans maybe you should read some comments of Puerto Rican residents on FR.

Profile Del. Luis Fortuno, R-Puerto Rico

121 posted on 03/16/2005 7:56:01 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: spodefly

BTTT - Thanks for saying it for me...


122 posted on 03/16/2005 8:21:14 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: spodefly

HEAR! HEAR!!

For those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

You girly boys (you know which you are), we are going to fight for America regardless the personal costs.

So stand up, sit down or get out of the way.


123 posted on 03/16/2005 8:36:56 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: janetgreen

BUMPER!


124 posted on 03/16/2005 8:37:15 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Deafening silence from "the other side" on these threads!


125 posted on 03/16/2005 9:35:49 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Dane; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; DoughtyOne; ...

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"Before smearing all Puerto Ricans maybe you should read some comments of Puerto Rican residents on FR."

: :

"....all Puerto Ricans....?"

"....smearing.....?"

See Clinton-Reno-Freeh 1999 FBI-DOJ Uniform Crime Report

I used democrat (liberals) official stats from the President Bill Clinton administration

Your beef is with Slick Willie and Janet Reno and Louis Freeh

I am only the "messenger" posting FBI-DOJ info (1999 Uniform Crime Report) I received from (D-CT) US Senator Joseph Lieberman via the USPS.

Note I also referenced many US mainland urban city stats where non-hispanics are in the majority of the local populations - I note no howls of "smearing" from any from those minorities from those urban nightmares.

Liberals and party-psuedo-pollsters tend to say "...everyone knows our agenda is that of most Americans...."

"All Americans agree the Social Security "trust fund?" should not be touched"

"...the majority is for homosexual civil unions...."

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Point out where I said "all" or "non-urban"

Whether London, Madrid, Washington DC, San Juan, Capetown, or most other high-population density urban large cities - they all have big uncontrolled violent crime problems

In WWII and Korea many young Puerto Rican soldiers served honorably and gallantly and many won medals and decorations for bravery in combat.

My post and the comment I replied to had nothing to do with that.

If you can source the 1999 FBI-DOJ Uniform Crime Report of Clinton/Reno/Freeh and any information therein refutes any statement I made feel free to duplicate it here on this thread.

I am hard pressed to recall any instance when I have ever said "all whites" (I fit in here), "all Asians", "all native American Indians" (I fit in here too), "all blacks", "all hispanics", or even "all others" (FBI-DOJ loves the "other" category)

One thing I cannot comprehend is why the FBI-DOJ Uniform Crime Report(s) skip a (very) few ethnic categories yet every other federal or state or college applications ask if the applicant is "Inuit-Martian" (a 2-fer Affirmative-Action check-box hypenated-winner - good for 25 extree points)

As part (authentic) native American Indian (as many are) I will not play Ward Churchill "r-word" games with anyone.

As for the Aztlan radical nutcases in our SW - Just when did their "ancestors" hit our beaches?

Some of mine were here ("on or about") 15,000+ years ago - the others arrived on a cold November 9 day in 1620.

(about 23% of Americans have links to 1620 - It is not an exclusive as most believe it is - See FDR, GW Bush, Humphrey Bogart, Marilyn Monroe, Dab Quayle, Calvin Coolidge, The Brit Royals, Winston Churchill, and lots of folks on FR)

Some bloody Viking raider (Leod the Black who "summered" on the Isle of Skye) thrown in also.



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126 posted on 03/16/2005 10:44:01 PM PST by devolve ( My-WWII-Musical-Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WWII.html http://pro.lookingat.us/DeadZone.html)
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To: La Enchiladita

The president hasn't got the moral fortitude to do the right thing with immigration. These greedy businessmen and congress critters are stirring up the makings of a war with trade and immigration policy. And that's where we're headed.


127 posted on 03/16/2005 10:48:20 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: devolve

Got your six any day of the week, Sir.

And a good weekend with many blessings for you. AFE


128 posted on 03/16/2005 10:52:33 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: k2blader

Yeah, well - the JIG is UP! BTTT


129 posted on 03/16/2005 10:59:36 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: La Enchiladita

El Fox is laying down the ground rules for his joining in the plan to denationalize nations into tade zones. To the elites the nation state is dead, so when is the funeral for the United States of America? I would like to attend.


130 posted on 03/16/2005 11:04:43 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: La Enchiladita

El Fox is laying down the ground rules for his joining in the plan to denationalize nations into tade zones. To the elites the nation state is dead, so when is the funeral for the United States of America? I would like to attend.


131 posted on 03/16/2005 11:08:44 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: devolve
I'll use GREEN bump.

bump!

Happy St. Patty's Day, ya'll.


132 posted on 03/17/2005 1:54:12 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Who is Mexico?


133 posted on 03/17/2005 2:03:31 AM PST by rrrod
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To: devolve
Yeah, you didn't smear ANYBODY.

Some folks just like to stir up some shiite, DV.


134 posted on 03/17/2005 2:15:06 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: rrrod
Who is Mexico?

Who's On First?

Here’s a different version of the same Abbott and Costello bit.
It's the version that was first performed on their television show in 1952. It's a redux of the original scene from "The Naughty Nineties". Of all the versions out there, I've found this one [above] to be the "snappiest". Enjoy.


135 posted on 03/17/2005 2:17:03 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Txsleuth; WestCoastGal

But you forget that w & fox are BBQ buddies. It seems like just about every time w is here fox shows up for the weekend.


136 posted on 03/17/2005 2:21:05 AM PST by ChefKeith (Apply here to be added to the NASCAR Ping List, Daytona is done but we got 33 more races to go...)
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To: Havoc; La Enchiladita; devolve; ApesForEvolution
Uncle Sam And His Little Critters

137 posted on 03/17/2005 4:20:33 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Any nation unable to define its own borders and whose citizenry are but mere residents will perish.)
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To: La Enchiladita

What Mexico wants is no borders for the US. They'll continue to send poor folk north and get nine billion yearly in remittances. These illegals will continue to sap the US economy/welfare/medical to the point of collapse; they will also have many more children than the legal US population. They will Mexicanize this country within a set number of years...(some sociologist could work out the demographics/numbers.) This is an invasion. Deliberate.

The other night, a tv cable channel ran a piece on California, Arizona, and New Mexico jailed illegals. The numbers are mindboggling. Other than grinning widely and looking well fed and clothed, they said they'd done nothing wrong. They have 'rights', and crossing the US border anytime, day or night, is one of them. US citizens are considered fools, dopes, and when illegals take over, the rest of us will lose our 'rights', ala Zimbabwe.


138 posted on 03/17/2005 4:31:46 AM PST by hershey
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Mexico is annexing the US.


139 posted on 03/17/2005 4:32:11 AM PST by hershey
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To: Shermy

Plus Fox has what amounts to a southern border 'wall'. They shoot illegals and if they end up dead...so much the better.


140 posted on 03/17/2005 4:33:49 AM PST by hershey
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To: EagleUSA

Hmm, we know Bush is one heck of a poker player, so why not look at the 'big picture'? Analyze what we have on our southern border and what's likely to happen if we A. do nothing, B. build a wall, militarize that wall, etc. or C. try and get a handle on illegals already here, encourage them to go home, encourage Mexico to change, revitalize its economy, yada yada yada. Or C. We invade Mexico and whip them into shape. Meanwhile, we're fighting terrorism, etc..

NAFTA was supposed to help Mexico lift itself out of the third world slum. We all know how that turned out. So now it's open borders? Globalization? Everything we've done so far has been predicated on Fox and company's good intentions...which so far don't exist. Plus there's the question of Mexico's oil. Whom they'll sell to and at what price, etc. And if you recall, they didn't develop their oil industry, we did. They nationalized it. (Like Arab oil industries...ARAMCo., etc.)

This is complicated, certainly, but Bush's first responsibility is to secure our borders and protect US citizens. There will be a tipping point beyond which Bush won't be able to play nice with Fox. Some outrage, large numbers of citizens raped/murdered...not piecemeal stuff. Something hugh.

And where are patriotic, loyal Mexicans who want change back home in Mexico, who are sick of the drugs, lawlessness, and corruption? Where are they? Busy having that 'anchor' baby in San Diego?


141 posted on 03/17/2005 4:49:01 AM PST by hershey
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To: hershey

And where are patriotic, loyal Mexicans who want change back home in Mexico, who are sick of the drugs, lawlessness, and corruption? Where are they? Busy having that 'anchor' baby in San Diego?
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Clearly it is not a pretty picture. It has not been for a long time now, too long. And again, nothing TO FIX THE PROBLEM is being done, NOTHING! Just more pandering, footsie-games with Vincente and his criminal, third world government, which cannot deliver SQUAT to its people. Outrage? I have plenty of it -- I wish more real Americans did too. I am fed up with my country being overrun with criminal illegals, AND HAVING TO PAY FOR IT...in more ways than one. Meanwhile, Washington just plays its POLITICS BEFORE THE PEOPLE games....the beat goes on.


142 posted on 03/17/2005 6:18:52 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Mr. Mojo
""No country that is proud of itself should build walls," he said."

Hmmm, all of the world's great cities were enclosed in walls up till recent times. China, one of the worlds great civilization built the Great Wall. Rome probably the worlds greatest civilization built Hadrian Wall. I'd say old V. Fox doesn't know sqat about the glorious history of walls. Fox is either an ignorant fool or he thnks we are ignorant fools, willing to buy his poison.

143 posted on 03/17/2005 8:03:37 AM PST by jpsb
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To: HighFlier
Shaara

Same guy that wrote "Killer Angels?"

144 posted on 03/17/2005 1:58:21 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: hershey; janetgreen; LauraleeBraswell

I hope to GOD there is poker strategery involved... I'm not ready to give up on this Great Nation. Even liberal university professors are urging reform in Mexico:

http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=21863


145 posted on 03/17/2005 2:13:53 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: EagleUSA

http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=21863


146 posted on 03/17/2005 2:14:36 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita

Actually, I think it was his son that wrote Gone for Soldiers and the rest of the series.


147 posted on 03/17/2005 2:58:09 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: HighFlier

Cool, I'll have to look those up. Sometimes the deployed soldiers request military history books.


148 posted on 03/17/2005 3:45:32 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita
Interesting article. Vicente Fox was elected to make changes in the corrupt system, but it seems that he forgot to fire the corrupt leftovers from the previous administration before he started his "change".

Fox's only claim to fame is that he has successfully exported a good percentage of his country's poor people for us to support.

149 posted on 03/17/2005 7:01:27 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Happy2BMe

I heard on Fox News today that President Fox said it was illegal for us to build any fences or barriers on the border. Why is he getting away with telling us what to do?


150 posted on 03/17/2005 8:27:30 PM PST by potlatch (Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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