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Schiavo in 48 hour window
Tampa Bay's 10 News ^ | 3/16/2005 7:08:31 PM | Bill McGinty

Posted on 03/16/2005 6:50:09 PM PST by BykrBayb

Schiavo in 48 hour window

By: Bill McGinty


Video Story

Supporters like the Rev. Patrick Mahoney of the
Christian Defense Coalition say they expect people to
try to enter the Woodside Hospice to “rescue” Terri
Schiavo if her feeding tube is removed. The Pinellas
Park Police has officers stationed in the parking lot
and inside the front doors of the hospice in case those
threats are attempted.

The Florida Legislature is now working on a bill that
Governor Bush says he will sign into law that would
prevent the removal of Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube.
The bill should be on the floor for debate by mid-
Friday.

Terri Schiavo has been in what doctors call a
persistent vegetative state since she collapsed from a
heart attack in 1990. Terri’s Schiavo’s husband Michael
Schiavo told a local newspaper that Terri would not
want to live this way and that the government should
stay out of family business.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; forcedexit; murder; schiavo; slipperyslope; terrischiavo
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To: Txsleuth

Like I said, it's an understandable mistake. She's so smooth and polished and elegant and professional, she just DAZZLES me and I get all flustered when she's on.


51 posted on 03/16/2005 8:08:09 PM PST by Xenalyte (My old man's a cotton-pickin' finger-lickin' chicken plucker . . . whadaya think about that?)
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To: Amos the Prophet

If all legal means fail then civil disobedience is the only moral option. If I weren't 3,130 miles away I'd be there. Let's pray for some legal gray area like Gov. Bush calling out the National Guard to rescue her. The local police officers will run like scared Easter bunnies when they see the troops roll in. If Terri is murdered then all of us will know some innocent disadvantaged person subject to a similar state-endorsed execution within 30 years.


52 posted on 03/16/2005 8:09:14 PM PST by steve86
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To: harpo11

I don't know, but it's not a bad idea.


53 posted on 03/16/2005 8:10:15 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
You can go directly here to email your Senators and/or Representatives about Terri Schiavo:

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

54 posted on 03/16/2005 8:10:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: BykrBayb

It is possible that is what they did---like I said, I am not really familiar with the way the house works---

I hope if they do have a vote, that it passes---I know that the GOP has a majority, but one of the speakers on the GOP side, a woman, got up and said she couldn't vote for the bill---felt it was interfering with a family problem or somesuch--

I do not understand people that can discuss someone's death with so little concern and so little empathy and compassion for Terri AND her parents..


55 posted on 03/16/2005 8:10:53 PM PST by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Chief Justice!)
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To: Xenalyte
That's what I'm saying, yo. I'm willing to come from Texas, and I'm just a woman.

Mrs don-o has spoken to a woman with a disabled child (a Jew who converted to Christian off making sense of her child's handicap) who is on her way.

I think everyone who can go to Florida, should. We have an old man here in our home who needs all we can provide, or we would be on the road tonight.

56 posted on 03/16/2005 8:11:49 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: BykrBayb
I never want to see another arrest for murder ever again if they kill Terri.

Florida will have lost all moral authority to prosecute and arrest murderers.

57 posted on 03/16/2005 8:13:30 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: BearWash

Well, I saw on another thread that Bo Grites and his wife have taken out a "citizens arrest warrant" for Micheal Shiavo and Judge Greer---

It isn't like people aren't thinging for anything that might help her...


58 posted on 03/16/2005 8:13:51 PM PST by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Chief Justice!)
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To: BykrBayb

This subject may have been mentioned and I missed it but--
Does any one know if Terri is able to swallow her own saliva or does she require frequent oral suctioning?
IF she is able to swallow her saliva then she CAN swallow.


59 posted on 03/16/2005 8:14:03 PM PST by joanofarc
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To: wk4bush2004
May God forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Correction: Mr. Schiavo knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

60 posted on 03/16/2005 8:14:50 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Lazamataz

Meet me at the hospice. We will set the world on fire. Gandhi will be a piker compared to us.


61 posted on 03/16/2005 8:16:55 PM PST by Xenalyte (It's just a ride.)
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To: Lazamataz
Uh, actually, if you want to get down to moral authority, this is a prtdictable result of Roe v Wade.

The "Slow Train Coming" is gaining speed.

62 posted on 03/16/2005 8:17:12 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Lazamataz

Being a heartless criminal.


63 posted on 03/16/2005 8:17:31 PM PST by wk4bush2004
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To: Txsleuth
Well, I saw on another thread that Bo Grites and his wife have taken out a "citizens arrest warrant" for Micheal Shiavo and Judge Greer---

Bo is an FBI plant meant to suck up information from anyone on the far right, so as to thwart plots and make arrests.

I have this on pretty good authority.

64 posted on 03/16/2005 8:18:36 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Lazamataz

I hope Mahoney has that. Manoney is a mensch.


65 posted on 03/16/2005 8:20:15 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Xenalyte

I think I'm falling in love...(sidebar commentary)


66 posted on 03/16/2005 8:20:56 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Lazamataz

It will go beyond that IMO...


67 posted on 03/16/2005 8:22:23 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Xenalyte

BTTT


68 posted on 03/16/2005 8:23:26 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, man. I have 'good authority' that sings a whole different tune.

CONFLICTION!!


69 posted on 03/16/2005 8:24:26 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Xenalyte
?Meet me at the hospice. We will set the world on fire. Gandhi will be a piker compared to us.

Wish I could. Be there for both of us.

70 posted on 03/16/2005 8:25:13 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: BykrBayb

This subject may have been mentioned and I missed it but--
Does any one know if Terri is able to swallow her own saliva or does she require frequent oral suctioning?
IF she is able to swallow her saliva then she CAN swallow.


71 posted on 03/16/2005 8:25:42 PM PST by joanofarc
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To: Xenalyte; Lazamataz

I'll be wearing stealth garb...ghost-like-ape.


72 posted on 03/16/2005 8:26:07 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

I know. It's how he got as far as he did with the militias, of which I was an on-again off-again member.


73 posted on 03/16/2005 8:26:43 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Txsleuth
Well, I saw on another thread that Bo Grites and his wife have taken out a "citizens arrest warrant"

Good. Post back when they have served that and taken the judge to the jug.

74 posted on 03/16/2005 8:27:20 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Lazamataz

Well JFme...


75 posted on 03/16/2005 8:30:25 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: muawiyah
You take that Nadler guy's feeding tube away for 10 minutes and he'll be screaming.

But he would survive for a year or two...

76 posted on 03/16/2005 8:31:37 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Surprised me too, but I know personally that he was involved in making sure something went down.

Something wot favored feds.

77 posted on 03/16/2005 8:31:50 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: ApesForEvolution

No more to do on the 'Net.

Vaya con Dios mis amigos!!

STAND ON YOUR FAITH and *DO* *NOT* *QUIT!!*

DON'T **QUIT**


78 posted on 03/16/2005 8:32:43 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Lazamataz

Ruby Ridge?


79 posted on 03/16/2005 8:33:05 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: don-o

No, something out New York way. Much lower profile. That's all I'm willing to share.


80 posted on 03/16/2005 8:35:31 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: don-o

I've said too much already. All I want to communicate is WATCH OUT ABOUT BOTH THIS GUY and another named Ted Gunderson.


81 posted on 03/16/2005 8:36:34 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: BykrBayb
The Pinellas Park Police has officers stationed in the parking lot and inside the front doors of the hospice in case those threats are attempted.

(1) Governor Jeb Bush can, at any time, on legal authority as executive, order the Pinellas Park Police to prevent any removal of Schiavo's feeding tube. If Bush fails to do this, he should be removed from office.

The Florida Legislature is now working on a bill that Governor Bush says he will sign into law that would prevent the removal of Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube. The bill should be on the floor for debate by mid- Friday.

(2) If a judge "overturns" that law, and the Governor rejects the ruling, and the Legislature backs him up, then that is the FINAL say. All Americans need to remember that THE JUDICIARY IS NOT THE LAST WORD in our tri-partite system of government.

82 posted on 03/16/2005 8:36:36 PM PST by montag813
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To: don-o; Netizen
She has a "port" to her stomach through which nutrition is delivered. She has her meals via tube. Then the tube is removed after the meal is served.

This is how a nurse explained it to me.

The feeding tube (G-tube) is essentially a rubber hose that is sewn through the upper abdominal wall into the stomach or upper intestine. It is capped off (remaining intact) between the feedings. During feedings, the cap is removed, a large bulb syringe is used to verify placement, the bulb is then removed, and liquid nourishment is poured into the syringe, and allowed to drain in via gravity. A very, very simple procedure.


83 posted on 03/16/2005 8:36:43 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: queenkathy
some else posted this on another thread:

When they attempted to starve Terri to death before, and Terri's siblings tried to have her fed orally, Florida's Judge Greer said: "I don't want anyone trying to feed that girl. The law of the case is that she is going to die."

84 posted on 03/16/2005 8:37:38 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: joanofarc
IF she is able to swallow her saliva then she CAN swallow.

Terri does not drool and swallows her saliva.

85 posted on 03/16/2005 8:39:48 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: joanofarc

Terri swallows her own saliva. Under the other Terri thread, Schiavo Case, there are affidavits from 3 nurses who have cared for Terri. They speak about giving Terri ice chips, juice, jello, etc. despite their orders to the contrary, and how much she enjoyed taking the food by mouth. There are links available (through Terri's page?) that a number of doctors believe that Terri could be fed by mouth, but Judge Greer has refused to allow tests. She last had "swallow tests" in 1992 or '93 BEFORE Michael received the malpractice settlement for her.


86 posted on 03/16/2005 8:47:50 PM PST by penowa
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To: penowa

I've got to log off.

These murderers are playing with pure hell fire...


87 posted on 03/16/2005 8:49:25 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Lazamataz

No prob Laz. Mahoney, who is named in the article is very savvy and will surely know how to handle what needs to be done, when that time comes.


88 posted on 03/16/2005 8:53:30 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: don-o

And women. Don't forget the women.


89 posted on 03/16/2005 8:57:15 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Yep. But how many of our sheeple know that?

They have images implanted of a comatose body hooked up to wires and tubes, with monitors beeping away.

Hopefully, enough of the power on the not dark side "get it" and can do the "legal" thing to save her.

90 posted on 03/16/2005 8:57:46 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; don-o; Netizen
The G-Tube (G for Gastrointestinal) is a tube that goes directly into the stomach through the abdomen. My Dad had one. The most natural way is to give bolus feedings which is where the cap to the tube is opened and the liquid food is poured into a large syringe and directly into the stomach. A pump may also be used and the feeding is then spaced out over larger periods of time. The blous feeding is more akin to eating scheduled meals. My Dad preferred to get his food this way because as he always said, "Most people don't eat 12-24 hours a day!" (which is the way the pump is usually set up. A certain amount is given over a 24 hour period.)

The pump option is best for those who have trouble taking in more than 200mls of the food at a time due to absorption problems. This happened to my Dad in the last couple of weeks of his life. In all liklihood it was the body starting to "shut down" in preparation for death. This is a normal thing...I knew it and it freaked me out when I noticed that he wasn't absorbing the food at a good rate...

Anyway...I wonder how Terri Schiavo is fed. I wonder if she is on a pump or gets bolus feedings. I also wonder what her food absorption rate is if she is getting bolus feedings. I would venture to guess that it is pretty normal from all that I've learned of her case.

I think I'll write my Congressmen and Senators now...

91 posted on 03/16/2005 8:58:08 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: blinachka

As I said, Mrs don-o has all the details. I do know that Terri is not hooked up 24/7. And I do think that is the image that the sheeple have.


92 posted on 03/16/2005 9:04:09 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: blinachka

Terri is fed via the way I described.


93 posted on 03/16/2005 9:04:22 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Netizen

It depends. I'm not sure if the port is going to be removed, or just clamped off. And I don't know if this legislation would require the port to be reinserted if it's removed. If the port is merely clamped off, then feeding could resume without any trouble. If the port is removed, it would have to be surgically reimplanted before feeding could resume.


94 posted on 03/16/2005 9:07:53 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Salvation

I also have links on my profile page, though they're badly in need of an update.


95 posted on 03/16/2005 9:09:30 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Txsleuth

I'd like to think that the people who callously discuss her death like it's a right-to-die issue just aren't aware of the facts. I'd really like to believe that, and sometimes it's true, but deep down, I know it isn't always true. I've seen people on these threads who know she's alive, know she never requested death, and still they insist she should die.


96 posted on 03/16/2005 9:11:55 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Lazamataz

I haven't followed the case of the Florida couple that was arrested not long ago for starving their kids. But I remember thinking at the time of their arrest, "They can't prosecute them. Florida just ruled that it's legal to starve a family member to death."


97 posted on 03/16/2005 9:14:26 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: joanofarc

Yes, Terri swallows her own saliva. She doesn't require suctioning. At the time that her feeding tube was inserted for the convenience of the staff, she was swallowing food. Spoon feeding her was a long tedious process, so in keeping with common practice, a feeding tube was inserted.


98 posted on 03/16/2005 9:17:00 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Thanks!

I have much to learn on this case...I have only been following since very recently. I do know that there is something very rotton going on though. That is my gut instict. I saw Michael Schiavo on Nightline last night and he creeped me out. My instict was that he is lying and is hiding something.

Anyhow, what you described is Bolus feedings. It truly doesn't matter how she gets the feedings but bolus is more akin to a "normal" way of food intake - several meals a day rather than stretched out over a long time, as I said in my previos post. But, either way, IMO, it doesn't really matter in the sense that tube feeding is in NO WAY an "artificial" way of keeping her alive. It is the most practical and sensible way to be sure that she recieves the nutrition she needs. If her feeding tube is removed and she is not allowed to be fed orally, then she will starve - in other words those who remove the tube will be killing her.

99 posted on 03/16/2005 9:17:22 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: BykrBayb
"right to die" is, pardon my french, totally made up bullshit.
100 posted on 03/16/2005 9:19:55 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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