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Army post turning away fewer recruits for basic training
kansascity.com ^ | 3/18/05 | JAMES GORDON MEEK

Posted on 03/18/2005 7:39:02 AM PST by anniegetyourgun

FORT BENNING, Ga. - (KRT) - After two years of war, the Army is finding it harder to fill the ranks and is cutting corners on how it turns civilians into soldiers ready for war.

Although top brass insist that high standards are maintained, the gritty drill instructors and officers at this legendary post near the Alabama border bluntly disagree with their superiors about the quality of the raw recruits and their basic training.

"I won't lie to you - the Army is not being as picky as we used to be," said one ranking officer.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; recruiting; recruitment
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1 posted on 03/18/2005 7:39:02 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

If true, I am not worried.

99.99% of being a soldier is heart. .01% is physical (that can't be overcome).

Current recruits know exactly what they are getting into and are joining for all the right reasons.


2 posted on 03/18/2005 7:43:46 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: anniegetyourgun

I know that the local recruiters are more willing to look at guys with criminal charges pending than they were five years ago. We aren't back to the old days of having burglars and car thieves told to join the Army or go to the pen, but standards have been loosened.


3 posted on 03/18/2005 7:44:41 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: anniegetyourgun
Standards which are used to judge potential recruits must be carved in stone. It is heresy to ever consider changing these documents in order to address a current situation. The standards are the standards. Leave 'em alone.

Now, the Constitution, on the other hand, is a living document and ought to be re-interpreted every few years to make sure that it stays in line with current thinking and international laws.

[/sarcasm]

4 posted on 03/18/2005 7:44:49 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Reinstitute "judicial" enlistment.

3 years in jail, or 3 years in the Army. Once in the army, increase the desertion penalty to 25 years in Levenworth.

Military service has straightened out alot on non-hardened criminals.


5 posted on 03/18/2005 7:46:29 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

One of the reasons I joined the Corps...
The Marines are "picky" LOL

Semper Fi,
Kelly


6 posted on 03/18/2005 7:46:41 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Back in '67, a pal got a choice: 4 months in the county jail for lascivious acts with a minor or pack up for Viet Nam. He took the 4 months...
7 posted on 03/18/2005 7:47:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: anniegetyourgun
The pressure of war always changes standards for recruiting and training. I had great-uncle in England who joined up in 1914. He went from being a civilian to being with a unit in France in less than ten days. I had an uncle here in Texas who hitchhiked into town on December 8, 1941 and joined the Navy. He spent Christmas Day 1941 on a ship headed to Pearl Harbor. Comparatively speaking the U.S. Army is being extraordinarily picky and through in getting and training recruits.
8 posted on 03/18/2005 7:50:12 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: kellynla
"One of the reasons I joined the Corps...
The Marines are "picky" LOL

Absolutely. Marine Corps applicants are carefully screened, and those who actually put the square peg in the square hole are disqualified on the spot....#;-)

9 posted on 03/18/2005 7:55:40 AM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: clee1

"Reinstitute "judicial" enlistment.

3 years in jail, or 3 years in the Army."




I never did like that idea. We don't need stupid people who do illegal things in the Army. That's not the answer at all.


10 posted on 03/18/2005 7:56:30 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Back in '90, I was on a plane to Great Lakes Naval Recruit Training. One of the guys on the plane told me a story.

Him and 3 of his buddies were trying to buy weed in a BAD part of town. A supposed seller approched their car and they rolled down the window and placed an order. One of the guys in the back pulled out his wallet and the "seller" went for it. They took off, dragging the seller along. He ended up under the rear wheels of the car and they took off.

After reading about a fatal hit and run in the paper, they turned themselves in and told the judge the whole story. This was 1990, mind you and the judge told them, "Military or jail". Two of them joined the Navy and two joined the Army.

I never saw the guy again after bootcamp, but he was a good sailor in bootcamp. Hopefully it did him some good.


11 posted on 03/18/2005 8:01:34 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: anniegetyourgun

Theyneed to relax the standards... They say I'm too old..

Hell, if I am, keep me stateside and let the clerks sitting on computers go shoot!

LOL

They need to consider this option.


12 posted on 03/18/2005 8:05:43 AM PST by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: All

Current enlistment standards are out of whack. Audie Murphy and Alvin York would both be sent home if they walked into a recruiting station today.

The standards of enlistment were racheted up after Desert Storm, because the Army was downsizing. Now we are in a situation where we need recruits and the standards are higher than they have ever been in history.

There is something to be said for the "bootstrap" army. The army has a responsibility to help raise the general population by their bootstraps and give them opportunities they never would have seen otherwise. Current recruiting standards are as high as four year colleges.

I'm not advocating opening the prisons, but "go to war or go to jail" saved a lot of people from a lifetime in jail.


13 posted on 03/18/2005 8:07:34 AM PST by BADDBOB
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To: Pilsner

My dad was born in 1906 and was a little too old to step forward after Pearl Harbor. They took him anyway in the China-Burma-India theater and he flew C-46s over the Hump as a civilian pilot.


14 posted on 03/18/2005 8:09:19 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: anniegetyourgun

Wow, I'd hate to hear the media's take on the quality of volunteer recruits in the Civil War, WWI or WWII.


15 posted on 03/18/2005 8:11:11 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Joe 6-pack

A ren't
R eally
M arines
Y et

I don't remember the peg/hole test but my neighbor who was an Army Sniper in Nam didn't seem to mind us Marines choppering him out of a hotzone when you guys failed to come get him!

And to this day, I don't have to buy a drink as long as he is in the bar. ;-]

Semper Fi
Do or Die!

Kelly


16 posted on 03/18/2005 8:13:07 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: anniegetyourgun

well they took me 7 years ago....they must not have had any standards then!!! :-P


17 posted on 03/18/2005 8:21:23 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: BADDBOB
The army has a responsibility to help raise the general population by their bootstraps and give them opportunities they never would have seen otherwise.

Totally unmitigated bullsqueese!

The military is NOT a social worker's program.

18 posted on 03/18/2005 8:21:36 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: kellynla
"And to this day, (he has me convinced that)I don't have to buy a drink as long as he is in the bar. ;-]

Old Army mind game. Glad to see it still works on you devil dogs...:-)

19 posted on 03/18/2005 8:28:37 AM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: Pilsner

"We aren't back to the old days of having burglars and car thieves told to join the Army or go to the pen,"

Ah, The good ol' days....


20 posted on 03/18/2005 8:29:53 AM PST by dakine
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