Skip to comments.Army post turning away fewer recruits for basic training
Posted on 03/18/2005 7:39:02 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
FORT BENNING, Ga. - (KRT) - After two years of war, the Army is finding it harder to fill the ranks and is cutting corners on how it turns civilians into soldiers ready for war.
Although top brass insist that high standards are maintained, the gritty drill instructors and officers at this legendary post near the Alabama border bluntly disagree with their superiors about the quality of the raw recruits and their basic training.
"I won't lie to you - the Army is not being as picky as we used to be," said one ranking officer.
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If true, I am not worried.
99.99% of being a soldier is heart. .01% is physical (that can't be overcome).
Current recruits know exactly what they are getting into and are joining for all the right reasons.
I know that the local recruiters are more willing to look at guys with criminal charges pending than they were five years ago. We aren't back to the old days of having burglars and car thieves told to join the Army or go to the pen, but standards have been loosened.
Now, the Constitution, on the other hand, is a living document and ought to be re-interpreted every few years to make sure that it stays in line with current thinking and international laws.
Reinstitute "judicial" enlistment.
3 years in jail, or 3 years in the Army. Once in the army, increase the desertion penalty to 25 years in Levenworth.
Military service has straightened out alot on non-hardened criminals.
One of the reasons I joined the Corps...
The Marines are "picky" LOL
Absolutely. Marine Corps applicants are carefully screened, and those who actually put the square peg in the square hole are disqualified on the spot....#;-)
"Reinstitute "judicial" enlistment.
3 years in jail, or 3 years in the Army."
Back in '90, I was on a plane to Great Lakes Naval Recruit Training. One of the guys on the plane told me a story.
Him and 3 of his buddies were trying to buy weed in a BAD part of town. A supposed seller approched their car and they rolled down the window and placed an order. One of the guys in the back pulled out his wallet and the "seller" went for it. They took off, dragging the seller along. He ended up under the rear wheels of the car and they took off.
After reading about a fatal hit and run in the paper, they turned themselves in and told the judge the whole story. This was 1990, mind you and the judge told them, "Military or jail". Two of them joined the Navy and two joined the Army.
I never saw the guy again after bootcamp, but he was a good sailor in bootcamp. Hopefully it did him some good.
Theyneed to relax the standards... They say I'm too old..
Hell, if I am, keep me stateside and let the clerks sitting on computers go shoot!
They need to consider this option.
Current enlistment standards are out of whack. Audie Murphy and Alvin York would both be sent home if they walked into a recruiting station today.
The standards of enlistment were racheted up after Desert Storm, because the Army was downsizing. Now we are in a situation where we need recruits and the standards are higher than they have ever been in history.
There is something to be said for the "bootstrap" army. The army has a responsibility to help raise the general population by their bootstraps and give them opportunities they never would have seen otherwise. Current recruiting standards are as high as four year colleges.
I'm not advocating opening the prisons, but "go to war or go to jail" saved a lot of people from a lifetime in jail.
My dad was born in 1906 and was a little too old to step forward after Pearl Harbor. They took him anyway in the China-Burma-India theater and he flew C-46s over the Hump as a civilian pilot.
Wow, I'd hate to hear the media's take on the quality of volunteer recruits in the Civil War, WWI or WWII.
I don't remember the peg/hole test but my neighbor who was an Army Sniper in Nam didn't seem to mind us Marines choppering him out of a hotzone when you guys failed to come get him!
And to this day, I don't have to buy a drink as long as he is in the bar. ;-]
Do or Die!
well they took me 7 years ago....they must not have had any standards then!!! :-P
Totally unmitigated bullsqueese!
The military is NOT a social worker's program.
Old Army mind game. Glad to see it still works on you devil dogs...:-)
"We aren't back to the old days of having burglars and car thieves told to join the Army or go to the pen,"
Ah, The good ol' days....
The Marines ARE picky. They turned my son away because he has a titanium plate in his jaw (he was hit by a car 5 years ago). The Army will take him, though.
You can dance around the issue all you like but that Army Sniper is alive today thanks to the United States Marine Corps. PERIOD!
and he's been buying Marines drinks for over thirty years...
enjoy the rest of your day
I kind of like the "Dirty Dozen" approach.
I doubt that. ; )
I'm truly sorry that you lack the latter...It's truly a gift and a blessing. Have a nice day...;-)
The only thing I said I didn't remember was the peg/hole test. Now if you want to have a history lesson I'll have to take the rest of the day off. And I don't think you can afford me!
Well the next time you want to make jokes of the Marine Corps and imply that we're stupid, I suggest you refrain...instead of apologizing for your classless "peg/hole" remark you take another cut at me!
Well guess what, you couldn't carry my boots!
and thanks I will have a nice day!
It becomes increasingly evident with each of your replies that you have a harder time taking than you do dishing out.
This will not work. Someone who is forced into the military instead of going to prison is the last person I would want in my unit. The foundation of the military is discipline and teamwork, traits that would be absent in any person that went into the military instead of jail. They could not be trusted and would be a constant source of trouble. He, or she, would be more trouble then they were worth.
Sorry, 17/18 year olds change....
Hey, I see the Gyrene is offering you a history lesson. Make sure he includes the parts about all the glorious Marine victories in the Civil War and WWII Europe. The Army's battle history doesn't have to take a back seat to any other service's, but you can't get the ooh-rah chorus to admit it.
No it isn't a social worker's program, but it was a second chance for a lot of people.
A social worker's progam is a hand-out, and military service is a hand-up.
I'm in the Army, (18 years so far) and our job is to provide for the defense of the nation. Denying service to someone who is salvegable is bad for the country, especially in this time of need.
Raising the bar for the lowest common denominator brings the whole country up and makes us stronger. And military service doesn't give anything to anyone, it makes you earn it.
and just what is "my kind?"
BTW, I remember Khe Sanh very well, thank you.
I was in Nam. Were you?
Carry your boots?
No thank you, I carried enough Marine "boots" onto choppers to last me a lifetime!
BTW, Marines is spelled with a capital "M"
Of course, he came in the latter days of the Vietnam era, and I also had some senior NCOs that couldn't read, and one who couldn't write either.
Still in all, the Soviets never came across the Fulda Gap. Maybe their NCOs couldn't read either, or had also shot their wives.
We will sink to whatever level we have to -- whatever the market will bear is also limited to whatever the consumer (goverment, taxpayers) are willing to invest in our Army of One.
Just remember that the President is the Commander in Chief, and the Congress is charged with the funding of the raising of an Army. Don't blame the Army entirely for what what it fields...
How soon the Jarheads forget how they were rescued by the First Air Cav in Nam.
Oh, geez,another pi**sing contest. When you guys start throwing your johnsons out on table, I'm outta here.
No, it's not mine, it's my father's. Pacific, Korea & Nam. And he came home from each one, thank God.
R.I.P to all of our boys that didn't come back.
Interesting stories, RC. Thanks for sharing.....
ya know if you're going to talk about someone,
at least have the courtesy of addressing them...
you've certainly been around here long enough to learn some manners...
and what war were you in?
I'm in this one big guy-2nd squadron, 278th RCT, FOB Bernstein, Tuz-Khurmatu.
"I guess you gave up giving history lessons?"
maybe you dogfaces should take a course in remedial reading.
If you go back and actually read my original post you will see that I said that one of the reasons I joined the Marine Corps was because it was "picky" now if you clowns have a problem with that then that's just too damn bad because it's factual!
One of your fellow soldiers then chimed in with the "peg/hole" line inferring that Marines were stupid.
I then posted that I didn't remember any "peg/hole" tests but I did remember the Army Sniper who for over thirty years never forgot what the Marine Corps did for him.
Then another one of your fellow Army clowns chimed in with his two cents about Keh Sanh...of course I remember Khe Sanh because I was actually in Nam in combat unlike most!
You guys ought to start your own club and maybe between the bunch of you, you can carry on an intelligent conversation.
I was injured on active duty (15 years,11B3P)and it left me paralyzed (my fault, motorcycle accident) from the chest down... I'd be willing to serve in an admin position if they would have me again.
Still, I suppose that we could have an intelligent conversation among ourselves. After all, you wouldn't be involved.
They should let you so serve.