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Michael Schiavo: A refusal to quit in the face of threats, anguish and vitriol.
The Inquirer ^ | Mar. 20, 2005 | Sandy Bauers

Posted on 03/20/2005 6:06:29 PM PST by Former Military Chick

He's been vilified on Web sites and talk shows. He's been called a wife-abuser, an adulterer, a money-grubbing murderer.

Death threats have been left in his mailbox.

Throngs of protesters have waved signs and chanted outside his house in Clearwater, Fla., and they have gathered again.

Sometimes, even Michael Schiavo's friends have wondered why, in the face of all that, he didn't just walk away.

It would have been easier for him to relinquish guardianship of his severely incapacitated wife, Terri, to her parents.

So why not give it up, leave Terri's feeding tube in, let her parents care for her? After all, he is living with another woman now and they have two children.

"Because he's sticking by what he promised," Scott Schiavo, Michael's brother, said in a recent interview. "He wants to honor the last thing he can give to her."

Physicians have testified that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state and will never improve. Michael Schiavo has said his wife told him she would not want to live like this.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, formerly of Huntingdon Valley, say she is responsive and can be helped. They say that, as a Catholic, she would choose life at all costs.

On Friday, Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, which has been in place for all but two brief stretches of time since she collapsed in 1990, was removed. It could be brief this time as well. The House is expected today to consider a Senate bill that would allow Schiavo's parents to take their case to federal court.

Throughout the protracted legal battle, the Schindlers have made their religious views, their personal anguish, and their mistrust of Michael Schiavo a public cause.

Intensely private, according to his family and friends, Michael Schiavo has rarely spoken publicly about the matter, out of respect for his wife's privacy. Through his brother, he declined to be interviewed for this story.

However, in recent days he has gone on national TV to reiterate that Terri would not have wanted to live like this and criticize politicians for getting involved in a deeply personal matter.

His brother and friends also have decided that it's time to speak up. The mudslinging, they said, has become too ugly, too nasty.

"I have a friend who I think has been maligned," said Russ Hyden of Gainesville, Fla.

"We're tired of it. We're done. It's time people know who he is," said Scott Schiavo, who lives in Levittown near where the brothers were raised.

The thing is, even if Michael Schiavo wins the final court battle, and Terri Schiavo's feeding tube is removed, he really hasn't won at all, Scott said.

"He's already lost," he said. "He's already lost Terri."

Social with friends, but reclusive

His brother and friends describe Michael Schiavo as social within his circle of friends, but otherwise almost reclusive. Except for the No Trespassing sign on his front lawn and the armed guards he's occasionally hired to protect his home, he's tried to grasp whatever shreds of normalcy he can.

His friends don't see the demon that protesters who have hurled insults at him do.

Wilma Mackay, a 65-year-old retiree from Palm Harbor, Fla., who watched her husband and brother die of cancer, sees a man who is "the epitome of loyalty."

Bonnie Rowley of Largo, Fla., a friend for about a decade, sees someone who "stands strong on what he believes in, and that is Terri Schiavo. If I needed a health-care advocate, he'd be my first choice. I know he'd be there till the end, and he'd give it one hell of a fight."

Michael Schiavo, 41, was the youngest of five boys. Six-foot-seven, athletic and model-handsome, he met Terri Schindler at Bucks County Community College in 1982.

She had graduated from Archbishop Wood High School in Warminster, he from Woodrow Wilson High School in Bristol Township.

Married two years later, they moved to Florida, where, early on the morning of Feb. 25, 1990, Michael Schiavo has testified, he awoke to the sound of a thud and found Terri on the floor in the hallway, unconscious.

They had been married a little over five years.

He has spent three times as long - the last 15 years - first trying to bring her back, then trying to let her go, his friends and brother say.

In the beginning, they say, Schiavo was relentless in his search for his wife's cure. She underwent various therapies.

He rented a house large enough for him and Terri's parents, who had moved to the area.

He made sure she was dressed every day. He applied her makeup and dabbed on perfume, Rowley said.

He went to school to become a nurse, "because he wanted to take care of Terri," Scott said. "He swore that he could get Terri better... . One doctor said: 'Mike, you know what? There's nothing else we can do. The next time Terri gets sick, why don't you just let nature take its course?' And Mike wouldn't do it."

Death and defining moments

Many of the defining moments of Michael Schiavo's life have revolved around death.

In 1988, his grandmother was hospitalized with a serious illness. She had signed a "do not resuscitate" order, Scott Schiavo said, but when she worsened in the middle of the night, no one looked at her records.

"It took them I don't know how long to get her breathing again. They stuck a ventilator down her throat." To little avail. "She was brain-dead," Scott Schiavo recalled.

All the family could do was wait until medications that kept her heart beating wore off. It took a day and a half, he said.

After the funeral, the family went to the Buck Hotel in Feasterville. Scott and Terri were sitting next to each other at a large table, where the conversation turned to how upset their grandmother would have been at her final hours.

Terri turned to him, Scott Schiavo said, "and she said, 'Not me, no way, I don't want that.' She says, 'If I'm ever like that, oh, don't let me. Pull that tube out of me.' " Scott Schiavo said he testified about the incident in 2000.

Several years after Terri collapsed, Michael Schiavo's mother was diagnosed with cancer.

Eventually, medical complications required the removal of her feeding tube, Scott said. "It's not like we said: 'Turn it off.' "

She was kept "peaceful and out of pain" until she died, Scott said.

Then their father died.

Eventually, Scott said, his brother realized he would have to let Terri go, too.

The Schindlers - who did not respond to a request for an interview made through their lawyer - have been distrustful of his motives partly because, they have said, no one mentioned Terri's wishes until years after her collapse.

But, Scott said, "it's not something you think about while Mike's trying to save her life... . It's something that people do when there's nothing left to do."

This particular fight has not come without a price.

"I give Mike all the credit in the world, because I would have snapped already. I know how bad it hurts me when I hear people talking about him and downing him," Scott Schiavo said.

Most of all, Scott said, "the thing that tears him up is he worries at nighttime, if he's working. He's afraid for the kids and Jodi."

Love and moral dilemmas

Michael Schiavo met his girlfriend, identified in court records as Jodi Centonze, about a decade ago.

Initially, Rowley, who was Centonze's friend, didn't know what to think. The court battles had not yet heated up, but she knew the situation with Terri.

When Rowley met Michael Schiavo, what she noticed first was his "great smile, a gentle smile."

Gradually, her respect grew. "He could have stepped off and divorced Terri five years ago, when this really hit the court. And got married and started his family that way," Rowley said.

The couple has two toddlers - a daughter and a son. Michael Schiavo works in the medical unit of the Pinellas County Jail.

Both Centonze and Michael Schiavo had to face "their own moral dilemmas as far as having children out of wedlock," Rowley said. "But the two of them weren't getting any younger... So does that make him a bad person because he did that? Did he fluff his responsibility to Terri at any point? No."

It is Centonze, Scott Schiavo said, who now does all Terri's laundry. "She's been unbelievable. She supported Mike in everything he did... . She's gone with Mike to visit Terri. She's helped Mike clean Terri up."

Centonze has been a flashpoint for Michael Schiavo's critics who think it is a reason to disqualify him to be Terri's guardian. His living with Centonze "abrogates the covenant of marriage," said Rob Schenck, president of the National Clergy Council, who was among the demonstrators outside the hospice on Friday.

Looking back on it now, Scott thinks his brother "just wanted somebody to love him." He equates it with a widower who remarries, "but it doesn't mean that that person stopped loving their spouse that passed on. Mike was very lonely. I mean, he was a 26-year-old kid" when Terri collapsed.

"It's hard to imagine the circumstances he lived under," friend Russ Hyden said. "There was no closure, yet there was no companionship either. That's the worst possible scenario."

Hyden had met Schiavo in 1991. Hyden's pregnant wife had been diagnosed with cancer. A mutual friend thought they "might have something in common. And we did."

But it was more than that they were both going through "life-changing ordeals," Hyden said. "We both liked to play a little golf. We enjoyed each other's company."

Hyden scoffs at the accusations about Schiavo taking the malpractice money awarded to Terri. "If there was so much money, where was that money when I first met Mike? Why wasn't he driving a big car and living in a big home? He was driving a Jeep and living in an apartment."

Hyden's wife lived for almost three more years. He and Schiavo spoke or saw each other several times a week.

"He was always great with my kids," Hyden said. Hyden's daughter was 2, his son 7, and Michael brought them gifts.

"He spent a great deal of time helping me put my family back together," Hyden said. "Perhaps it was because his had fallen so tragically apart."

Sympathy for Terri's parents

In a way, Michael Schiavo has said he can sympathize with Terri's parents. "I have children, and, you know, I couldn't even fathom what it would be like to lose a child," he said in an interview on Nightline last week.

But, he continued, "they know the condition Terri is in. They were there in the beginning. They heard the doctors. They know that Terri's in a persistent vegetative state. They testified to that at the original trial. Fifteen years - you've got to come to grips with it sometime."

He said Terri would "always be a part of my life.

"And to sit here and be called a murderer and an adulterer by people that don't know me, and a governor stepping into my personal, private life, who doesn't know me either? And using his personal gain to win votes, just like the legislators are doing right now, pandering to the religious right, to the people up there, the antiabortion people, standing outside of Tallahassee?

"What kind of government is this? This is a human being. This is not right."

In a way, Michael Schiavo's world still revolves around Terri. He calls every day and visits several times a week, Scott Schiavo said. He can still talk to her, even if she doesn't talk back.

Michael Schiavo yesterday told CNN that he had a "sense of relief" now that the feeding tube had been removed and he promised to "stay by her side" till the end.

"This is her time...," he said. "I will love her and I will hold her hand."

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Contact staff writer Sandy Bauers at 610-701-7635 or sbauers@phillynews.com.

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Congress tries again to stop Schiavo death

Timeline of the Terri Schiavo Case

Recent court rulings and other materials related to the Terri Schiavo case:

5 Wishes a Site that helps one prepare if one is unable to speak for themselves.

Partnership for Caring

Statutory Form of Declaration

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To: hchutch
Hell, man, we're far from the only squadron or unit with supply problems. OR difficulty getting training dollars and other things.

It's one of the reasons this is such a bitter pill to swallow.

The other is that it is painful to watch a political party I support go so sideways.

501 posted on 03/21/2005 9:09:34 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: hchutch

I'm with you on the unsubstantiated charges. The death threats dismay me to no end, too. Nothing like being "right to life" then threatening someone with death.

I would argue this case is important, because there are broad national implications, too. There are two ends to the spectrum of death, abortion and right to die. Once those lines are drawn, it is only a matter of time before moves are made to redraw them.

For instance, who in their right mind would have ever expected the right to abortion to eventually include the atrocity known as "partial birth abortion?"


502 posted on 03/21/2005 9:14:06 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: PFKEY

I have heard this several times....

Also, the spending of the lawsuit money has been approved by the court.








Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, it was.

Now, consider this.

The court, The Judge of that court (and who would that be?), that is in GUARDIANSHIP of her ESTATE, allowed money from that estate which was to be spent on her REHAB,to be spent by MICHAEL on a EUTHANASIA ADVOCATE LAWYER to have her put to death.

Think of that. The Court that was entrusted with ENSURING THE MONEY WAS SPENT ON TERRI's rehab and care, ALLOWED THE MONEY to be spent on efforts to kill her.

THAT is a violation of the terms of that guardianship.

NOW, WHO AUTHORIZED SPENDING THAT MONEY????? SOMEONE TELL ME THE NAME.


503 posted on 03/21/2005 9:22:27 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: PFKEY
If foul play is suspected the hospital/doctors have to report this to the police. Why didn't that happen?

How do you know that it didn't? MIKEY'S MOM WORKED AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

504 posted on 03/21/2005 9:24:01 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: stylin_geek; Howlin

If you're so worried about unsubstantiated allegations, why were you jumping all over Howlin?

This bill could have some serious consequences. Why are people implying that Howlin or others who aren't toeing the lineon this "pro-death" or something?


505 posted on 03/21/2005 9:27:48 AM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: stylin_geek; hchutch
"I'm with you on the unsubstantiated charges. The death threats dismay me to no end, too. Nothing like being "right to life" then threatening someone with death. "

Then you recognize the problem some of us have. It is perfectly legitemite to discuss whether or not Ms. Schiavo's wishes were adequetly established, or whether or not they are being carried out. It's even well and good to discuss whether or not it's RIGHT.

However, when those on one side try to "enhance" their case through conspiracy theories, slander, and accusations without foundation, and hurl invective at anyone who points out the fallacies and flaws, sooner or later their whole case comes into question.

And when they seemingly abandon all previous positions regarding government interference in personal, local, and state matters and call for the feds to intervene, it damages their credibility and position in those things as well.

The death threats are "beyond the pale", and give most folks the willies when examining ANYTHING that side puts out. It's hard to persuade someone when you've made it clear to them that you're a maniac.

In this case, many longtime FReepers, having had their fill of the invective and wild vitriol, decided to investigate the claims for themselves, and came to different conclusions than the "Terri Brigades". They posted that information. In due time, it will also be seen by lawmakers, some of whom will doubtless come to the same conclusions. They won't be happy, either.

What's that mean for the next case? Or other controversial issues? Politicians don't like being made fools of.

506 posted on 03/21/2005 9:36:38 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: hchutch

I admit to thinking Howlin was on the pro-death side, based on the questions she asked.

However, I also asked some serious questions about her stance on this issue. Rather than answer my questions, she resorted to name calling.

I also did the research, and again asked some questions, based on what she posted.

Again, she resorted to name calling.

So, again, how am I jumping all over Howlin?

Howlin claims to be asking "legitimate questions" yet when I challenge her assertions, she resorts to name calling.

Oh, by the way, I would post to Howlin, also, but she's requested that I stop posting to her.


507 posted on 03/21/2005 9:51:01 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: stylin_geek

Where is Jack-boot Janet when the pro death howlers need her? She could send in the storm troopers and seize Terri from the ones who love her just like she did with Elian.


508 posted on 03/21/2005 10:06:46 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: danamco
Friday, early, afternoon Judge Greer ordered the feeding tube to be removed, NOT Michael!!

It seems we agree in general, but differ in the details.

Greer cannot rule on a case, unless it is Filed by a plaintiff, which is Michael.

Michael filed a pleading to have the food/water cut off, then Greer saw the case in court, then he ruled.

Here is where you need to concern yourself.....

Judge Greer is Guardian of Terri's rehab/care money. He authorized Michael to take some of the money and get a lawyer and file the pleading to have Terri Killed.

First, the judge violated principles of guardianship in giving out the money to have the principle of the estate put to death.

Second, If he thought it was OK to allow Michael to ask to have Terri killed, then how could he be JUDGE over the case as well?

That made him undeniably biased and he should have recused himself from ruling on the case, and let another judge have it.

The fact he didn't demonstrates how CORRUPT he is.

509 posted on 03/21/2005 10:16:38 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: sinkspur
>> What are their screen names? Please post links to their comments.

No.

510 posted on 03/21/2005 10:19:34 AM PST by T'wit (Retire to Florida! Bring your estate. No feeding tube needed. The crematorium is warm and ready!)
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To: Randjuke
>> I am a physician and would appreciate the opportunity to review her bone scan

It has been posted a few times in the past few days but I did not keep a record where. If I come across it, I'll get back to you.

Ask around, maybe others can help you find it.

511 posted on 03/21/2005 10:23:32 AM PST by T'wit (Retire to Florida! Bring your estate. No feeding tube needed. The crematorium is warm and ready!)
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To: hershey
If Terri Schiavo dies because of this, the door is open to do the same to countless others.

The door is already open, Michael is simply trying to FORCE HER THOUGH IT.

Suncoast Hospice and FELOS are under investigation for 150 plus patients who were admitted there, diagnosed as terminally ill (by those quality doctors who state Terri is braindead), and were found not to be. The Hospice and FELOS scammed over $14 million from MEDICARE on this, and the DEPT of HEALTH and HUMAN SERVICES has filed notice of the illegal claims and wants the money back.

THEY HAVE BEEN KILLING PEOPLE IN FLORIDA TO SCAM MEDICARE FUNDS for quite a while now.

512 posted on 03/21/2005 10:23:34 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: mewzilla

I don't think he is lying. To bolster his case, he is holding fast to Terri's wishes. Her wishes not to be kept alive in such a state. If the parents take over, she will be forced to live in a state that she does not want to be. Your right, the easy thing would be to divorce her and let Mom and Dad take over. But since he is fighting so hard it leads me to believe he is telling the truth.


513 posted on 03/21/2005 10:28:39 AM PST by f zero
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To: PFKEY

I said what I thought needed saying. You replied that you weren't "buying it." I'm perfectly content with that, and in return, I didn't find any interesting research or theories in your posts. There's nothing more to discuss.


514 posted on 03/21/2005 10:29:47 AM PST by T'wit (Retire to Florida! Bring your estate. No feeding tube needed. The crematorium is warm and ready!)
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To: sinkspur
How come the insurance company lawyers for the doctor in the malpractice case didn't use this as a defense for dismissing the lawsuit?

The scans that show longitudinal fracture, compression fractures, etc. were not available to them. The blood gases by themselves could be taken several ways, without corroborative evidence, which Michael arranged to have hidden.

You don't think they investigated this angle thoroughly?

NOPE. The INSURANCE company that lost the lawsuit, is no longer in business. Probably had bad lawyers who couldn't win a case even when the evidence was in front of them.

515 posted on 03/21/2005 10:32:51 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: PFKEY
>> If you have evidence of this crime it is your obligation to report it to law enforcement otherwise you are an accomplice.

George Felos had the bone scan evidence and concealed it. As an attorney, he is an officer of the court with a special obligation to report crime. He did not. There's your real accomplice.

516 posted on 03/21/2005 10:36:12 AM PST by T'wit (Retire to Florida! Bring your estate. No feeding tube needed. The crematorium is warm and ready!)
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To: Former Military Chick
I believe we should be informed from all sides of the issue. Whether you support either party to have the facts is helpful when debating the issue. I try to always be fair and listen and frankly in the end we may disagree but we do so based on an intellectual and respectful discussion. Which is what makes Free Republic great.

Thanks for this post and your thoughtful comment.

My hope is that this debate makes the FR world stronger and more cohesive in its beliefs. That involves defining what really matters, and learning from each other.

Depriving someone of food and water is very different than removing life support systems.

It is either murder or "assisted suicide". Our presumption as a society has to be against that.

Our debate, however, has to reflect the "life culture" we extoll. Michael Schiavo is not necessarily an evil man, I think it's very possible he means to carry out his ex-wife's wishes, it would have been much easier for him personally, just to have divorced her and gone on with his life (that $1mm settlement wouldn't have helped him economically very much if at all, after paying for all the costs of her care over the years).

We should strive not to be hateful when trying to express lovingkindness.
517 posted on 03/21/2005 10:40:18 AM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: Howlin
Hello Dear. I see things are going as usual.

Stop, take a breath, don't asborb the anger and hate being directed at you.

I wanted to ask you something.

Judge Greer is Custodian or Guardian of the estate(insurance settlements) money.

That money was placed in his trust for the rehabilitation, care, and concern of Terri.

Michael wanted to file a pleading to have the court discontinue food/water to Terri and essentially kill her, since it is a fact that she is not 'dying'. She may be AWARE or NOT, but she was not Dying.

Judge Greer authorized Michael spending the money on a lawyer to file that pleading in front of the court. Judge Greer's court, to be specific.

How can the Judge claim to be fair, and just, and unbiased when he authorized giving out the money to attempt putting her to death?

This seems to be a clear case of bias and prejudice. It would make one think he had already decided TERRI could be put to death before he heard the evidence and ruled on that evidence.

What do you, with your long and valuable experience in that area, think?

518 posted on 03/21/2005 10:47:20 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: T'wit; Randjuke

Here ya go.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_bonescan.htm


519 posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:27 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
The door is already open, Michael is simply trying to FORCE HER THOUGH IT.

Suncoast Hospice and FELOS are under investigation for 150 plus patients who were admitted there, diagnosed as terminally ill (by those quality doctors who state Terri is braindead), and were found not to be. The Hospice and FELOS scammed over $14 million from MEDICARE on this, and the DEPT of HEALTH and HUMAN SERVICES has filed notice of the illegal claims and wants the money back.

THEY HAVE BEEN KILLING PEOPLE IN FLORIDA TO SCAM MEDICARE FUNDS for quite a while now.

You KINDA like that CAPS KEY don't YOU?

520 posted on 03/21/2005 10:54:27 AM PST by Randjuke
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To: Randjuke; UCANSEE2
The poster's content is interesting.

What's your big point?

521 posted on 03/21/2005 10:59:45 AM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: Howlin; Former Military Chick; MikeinIraq
A direct question to those of you who defend Mr. Schiavo's marital status, rights, and obligations to Terry Schiavo:

Who is Michael Schiavo more beholden to: Terry Schiavo, or the mother of his two children- Jodi Centonze?

I suppose one could argue he is responsible and beholden to both...if one endorses bigamy....

I'm sure you three won't agree with any of this opinion piece from the WSJ below, but I'll post it for your (hopefully) honest consideration.
Regards


What kind of husband is Michael Schiavo?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006451

"According to news reports, Mr. Schiavo lives with a woman named Jodi Centonze, and they have two children together. Surely any court would consider this prima facie evidence of adultery. And this is no mere fling; a sympathetic 2003 profile in the Orlando Sentinel described Centonze as Mr. Schiavo's "fiancée." Mr. Schiavo, in other words, has virtually remarried. Short of outright bigamy, his relationship with Centonze is as thoroughgoing a violation of his marriage vows as it is possible to imagine.

The point here is not to castigate Mr. Schiavo for behaving badly. It would require a heroic degree of self-sacrifice for a man to forgo love and sex in order to remain faithful to an incapacitated wife, and it would be unreasonable to hold an ordinary man to a heroic standard.

But it is equally unreasonable to let Mr. Schiavo have it both ways. If he wishes to assert his marital authority to do his wife in, the least society can expect in return is that he refrain from making a mockery of his marital obligations. The grimmest irony in this tragic case is that those who want Terri Schiavo dead are resting their argument on the fiction that her marriage is still alive."

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522 posted on 03/21/2005 11:03:59 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Miss Behave
The poster's content is interesting.

What's your big point?

JUST TRYING TO INJECT A LITTLE HUMOR.

523 posted on 03/21/2005 11:07:13 AM PST by Randjuke
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To: Randjuke
(correction: Force her -through- it)

Yes. But it is not my fault. It's the fault of Microsoft, Bill Gates, IBM,Webster,and website owners.

If God didn't want CAPS to be used he shouldn't have put them on keyboards.

All kidding aside, I have had several people refer to my use of CAPS on words I am trying to emphasize. They tell me I am not supposed to do that. That it is reserved (by the order of the Grand Wizard of Webaccessers) for when you are YELLING!

As I stated on another thread, our typed words here are the only method of representation we have.

Facial expressions,hand gestures, tone, loudness are not there.

So, what is the accepted way to indicate RAISING MY VOICE , or EMPHASIZING STRONGLY?

What is the accepted way to indicate WHISPERING?

Funny part, those who complain about the caps, and tell me I shouldn't do that because it indicates YELLING, don't realize that sometimes, that is exactly what I want it to mean.

524 posted on 03/21/2005 11:07:49 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Howlin
Yes, but HIS morality doesn't have anything to do with the legal proceedings in this case.

This is the one thing I wish more people would understand about this case when discussing it...
525 posted on 03/21/2005 11:12:30 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: gardencatz
Maybe you're right, maybe this is Micheal way of showing Terri how much he loves her.

All I have to go on is my life experience, I've been married to the same wonderful lady for 30 yrs now. She means more to me than life itself, if my wife was to be injured I would sell everything I own and mortgage my house to get the money to help her heal. It's been my experience that this is what people do to help loved ones who've been hurt. Years ago I worked with a man who's wife had a massive stroke and as a result was a terrible mess, (she was bedridden, couldn't talk or feed herself, needed diapers, you name it you had to do it for her) This guy quit his job and found a way of making a living from home so he could be there to take care of his wife. When this first happened I couldn't understand how he would want to do such a thing, I certainly wouldn't have. several years later I saw him at the mall, he was pushing a wheelchair with his wife in it. I stopped and talk with them for probably an hour, He told me the most rewarding thing in his life came about six months earlier when his wife who still had trouble speaking said to him " I love You, how do I repay you for saving my life ?"

That man truly loved his wife. I hope I would be strong enough to do the same for my wife, I say this because I have no doubt she'd make all the same sacrifices for me.

Now I say these things to remind you that I haven't read or heard of Micheal Schaivo making any effort to help her except the minimum He long ago hooked up with another woman and has a couple kids with her for cryin out loud. Maybe I just don't get it, sorry for being so dense.
526 posted on 03/21/2005 11:13:40 AM PST by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: stylin_geek
Oh please, she's already called me a liar. --- No, she never did that at all.

However, I did my research, and she is actually playing the "above the fray" game. ---- The lady has had very personal experiences on this level, and has been in the fray. She knows very well of what she speaks.

Please respect that.

527 posted on 03/21/2005 11:13:41 AM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: Randjuke; Miss Behave
Don't worry Miss B. I took it as he meant it, in light-hearted fun. A little relief from the seriousness of Terri's plight.

And Thank you for your concern. I 'saw' that too.

528 posted on 03/21/2005 11:19:29 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
The fact he didn't demonstrates how CORRUPT he is.

Why do you think he is acting corruptly? Do you think he was bribed? Or that he is deliberately flaunting the law in order to advance a personal agenda? I understand you disagree with Greer, but I don't understand the corruption part...
529 posted on 03/21/2005 11:32:11 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: blastdad51
The problem for Michael is that he had decided (maybe before Terri's accident) that he wanted her to just die. He went on with his life, engaged, had two children, melted down her wedding ring and had it turned into a new ring for himself, killed her cats, got rid of everything that reminded him of her.

PROBLEM WAS, he didn't expect the 'termination' to take this long, and he never had any idea he would have the MSM and THOUSANDS on the internet watching his every move and investigating the manner in which he pursued her death, and took her rehab/personal care money.

So, now he has been forced to attempt to explain these CONTRADICTIONS and his rationalizing is almost humorous.

He could have divorced her long ago, allowed her parents to deal with things, and been off the hook.

No one would have had any reason to complain about him taking that course of action, and I am reasonably sure her parents would not have objected.

BUT, he hung on (ostensibly because of his concerns for Terri and her wishes and his concern to remain FAITHFUL (oh, come on MICHAEL, you can't be serious!) to her wishes.

I bet her first wish was DONT KILL ME.

I bet one of them was I WANT FOOD AND WATER until I DIE NATURALLY.

I bet one of them was TAKE GOOD CARE OF MY CATS.

Did he honor any one of those wishes?

We know he didn't. So, ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS.

530 posted on 03/21/2005 11:32:11 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
What is the accepted way to indicate WHISPERING?

You write it small like this...
531 posted on 03/21/2005 11:35:39 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: ElkGroveDan
Don't foget the fact that he never once mentioned her supposed desire to "die rather than live like that" until AFTER the $1 million malpractice settlement.

As Cyndi Lauper put it, "Money Changes Everything."

532 posted on 03/21/2005 11:37:17 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Former Military Chick
"the epitome of loyalty."

Yeah, he's that all right. Moved right in with his girlfriend and mother of his children to demonstrate his monumental loyalty too.

533 posted on 03/21/2005 11:42:53 AM PST by TChris (Lousy homophobic FReeper troll, religious right, VRWC member)
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To: beyond the sea
Because I am not going to defend myself to a liar.

From her post #496 on this thread. This would be at least the second time in this thread she called me a liar.

I did my research, I suggest you do yours before taking sides.

534 posted on 03/21/2005 11:43:31 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: stylin_geek
From her post #496 on this thread. This would be at least the second time in this thread she called me a liar.

Hmmm, well ........ when the shoe fits ........

;-)

535 posted on 03/21/2005 11:48:33 AM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: Stone Mountain
Thank you for your response.

Why do you think he is acting corruptly?

Well, take the decision's and rulings by the Federal government as it pertains to this case, last night, and today.

Judge Greer told them to 'stick it'.

Another reason. Judge Greer was Custodian of Terri's Insurance Settlement money, awarded for "her hospital care and Rehabilitation".

Nowhere did it say "for paying lawyers to help put her to death".

Judge Greer authorized Michael to take the money and spend it on hiring FELOS, A WELL KNOWN DEATH ADVOCATE LAWYER IN FLORIDA, to file a pleading in front of JUDGE GREER to have TERRI put to DEATH.

That is a direct and obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

So, I don't 'think' he is corrupt, I 'think' he UNDENIABLY PROVED IT, but it is being IGNORED by everyone.

Let's say you were very well off and were incapacitated somehow.

Would you want the person who you left IN CHARGE OF YOUR MONEY to give it to someone who told them they wanted to use it to KILL YOU?

Why would Judge Greer allow that? Maybe because there are other issues that involve higher dollar amounts.

Like part of the $14 million in scammed MEDICARE FUNDS that the government has filed claims against FELOS to recover, where over 150 patients were MISDIAGNOSED as TERMINALLY ILL so they could take them into the SUNCOAST HOSPICE, ignore them, scam the money, then terminate them the same way they are doing Terri. No FOOD, no WATER, No light, No medicine.

BLATANT MURDERING going on with the permission of the JUDGE.

The Judge had apparently already decided on Terri's case BEFORE HE HEARD THE EVIDENCE, since he approved letting Michael have the money to hire FELOS since that was before he heard that evidence and made the ruling.

CORRUPT, HIDDEN AGENDA, HIDDEN MOTIVES, GREED.

Seems to fit.

It turns out that almost every politician in FLORIDA that supports Judge Greer's decision in this case is also a contributor to his reelection campaigns.

People say, Oh, another CONSPIRACY NUT.

Well, here's another conspiracy. Posters ask why didn't the police do something? Well, MIKEY'S MOM worked in the SHERIFF's OFFICE for years. Alledgedly, the local LE's had instructions to ignore calls to the SCHIAVO's house for domestic violence concerns.

Now MIKEY has a new job, working......... FOR THE SHERRIF'S OFFICE. As a JAIL NURSE (I never heard of any jail that had a nurse). The SHERIFF said, "Yep, his application was RIGHT ON TOP of the PILE. I never read it, but that is what I was told".

536 posted on 03/21/2005 11:53:38 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: stylin_geek

Hang in there.

I would like to say that just because someone has experience in the discussion at hand, that doesn't make them right. I think we'd be surprised at how many people have first hand experience with "right to die/right to live" arguments.


537 posted on 03/21/2005 11:54:22 AM PST by tuffydoodle
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To: Randjuke

Well, any thoughts, perceptions?


538 posted on 03/21/2005 11:55:19 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Stone Mountain

Sorry, couldn't hear what you were saying.


539 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:25 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: beyond the sea

From claiming she didn't call me a liar to "the shoe fits."

Since I proved you wrong, I guess I can "consider the source" in regards to that comment.

Again, I challenged her assertions, she engaged in name calling.

As for "above the fray" I suggest you read Orwell and try to understand that neutrality in the face of evil is tacit approval of evil.


540 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:35 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: UCANSEE2; Randjuke

OK, UCANSEE and randjuke. All is well then? Sounds good. Sounds very good. And you're welcome, UCANSEE. ;-)


541 posted on 03/21/2005 11:58:07 AM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: hchutch

"Why are people implying that Howlin or others who aren't toeing the lineon this "pro-death" or something?"

Get out of the Gray Area (that liberals love to dwell in) and pick a side for God's sake. Stand up for something for once in your life.

Also, please abstain from making snap judgments in the future. Had you read the entire thread you would have observed that howlin clearly flamed other Freepers who were quite polite to her (and continues to do so).


542 posted on 03/21/2005 11:59:15 AM PST by Stakka Skynet ("Actors are cattle." -Alfred Hitchcock)
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To: UCANSEE2; Randjuke; All

I wanted to add that this has been ONE tough situation all the way around, my fellow FReepers...as we all know.


543 posted on 03/21/2005 12:00:30 PM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: Randjuke

> ... opportunity to review her bone scan. ... do you have a link?

Many medical affidavits are here: http://www.terrisfight.net/documents.html
and the bone scan itself is here: http://www.terrisfight.net/images/bonescan.jpg


544 posted on 03/21/2005 12:00:37 PM PST by l.tecolote (doing what I can from California)
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To: tuffydoodle

Eh, the other side is engaged in name calling. I'll take that as a win.


545 posted on 03/21/2005 12:02:35 PM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: Hildy; mewzilla
mewzilla: I've got just one question: What if he's lying?

Hildy: I've got another question..what if he's telling the truth?

Hildy, you missed the real question -- What if he's a space alien?

546 posted on 03/21/2005 12:03:29 PM PST by atlaw
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To: stylin_geek
You're talking to the wrong person.

Keep stylin.

Btw, when I was in high school back in the early '60's, we used to use the phrase, "stylin and profilin" when a girl or guy was struttin' their stuff and looking good.

Right, who cares? ;-)

Take it easy. The lady you are worrying about is a very, very excellent person. Skip on down. Really. ;-)

Let's talk baseball.

547 posted on 03/21/2005 12:03:36 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: Stakka Skynet

Should I raise my hand on this one? File an affadavit? Holler "Yo?"


548 posted on 03/21/2005 12:04:13 PM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: beyond the sea

Hey, that's my weak spot.

Twins take the Central, lose in the ALCS...

Boston folds, can't survive their success. Yanks blunder to winning the East.

In the NL, I just don't know.

Angels recover and win the AL West.

Hmm, Twins and Angels in the ALCS?


549 posted on 03/21/2005 12:07:39 PM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: stylin_geek

Twins win it ALL!


550 posted on 03/21/2005 12:10:36 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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