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Poll: No Role for Government in Schiavo Case
ABC News ^ | March 21, 2005 | GARY LANGER

Posted on 03/21/2005 7:30:53 AM PST by Dog Gone

Federal Intervention in Schiavo Case Prompts Broad Public Disapproval

Analysis by GARY LANGER

Mar. 21, 2005 - Americans broadly and strongly disapprove of federal intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, with sizable majorities saying Congress is overstepping its bounds for political gain.

The public, by 63 percent-28 percent, supports the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, and by a 25-point margin opposes a law mandating federal review of her case. Congress passed such legislation and President Bush signed it early today.

That legislative action is distinctly unpopular: Not only do 60 percent oppose it, more -- 70 percent -- call it inappropriate for Congress to get involved in this way. And by a lopsided 67 percent-19 percent, most think the elected officials trying to keep Schiavo alive are doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or for the principles involved.

This ABC News poll also finds that the Schiavo case has prompted an enormous level of personal discussion: Half of Americans say that as a direct result of hearing about this case, they've spoken with friends or family members about what they'd want done if they were in a similar condition. Nearly eight in 10 would not want to be kept alive.

Intensity

In addition to the majority, the intensity of public sentiment is also on the side of Schiavo's husband, who has fought successfully in the Florida courts to remove her feeding tube. And intensity runs especially strongly against congressional involvement.

Included among the 63 percent who support removing the feeding tube are 42 percent who "strongly" support it -- twice as many as strongly oppose it. And among the 70 percent who call congressional intervention inappropriate are 58 percent who hold that view strongly -- an especially high level of strong opinion.

GOP Groups

Views on this issue are informed more by ideological and religious views than by political partisanship. Republicans overall look much like Democrats and independents in their opinions.

But two core Republican groups -- conservatives and evangelical Protestants -- are more divided: Fifty-four percent of conservatives support removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, compared with seven in 10 moderates and liberals. And evangelical Protestants divide about evenly -- 46 percent are in favor of removing the tube, 44 percent opposed. Among non-evangelical Protestants, 77 percent are in favor -- a huge division between evangelical and mainline Protestants.

Conservatives and evangelicals also are more likely to support federal intervention in the case, although it doesn't reach a majority in either group. Indeed, conservative Republicans oppose involving the federal courts, by 57 percent-41 percent.

Conservatives and evangelicals hold these views even though most people in both groups -- 73 percent and 68 percent, respectively -- say that if they personally were in this condition, they would not want to be kept alive.


Should Feeding Tube Be Removed?
Support Oppose
Non-evangelical 77% 18
Evangelical 46 44
Catholics 63 26
Liberals 68 24
Moderates 69 22
Conservatives 54 40
Democrats 65 25
Independents 63 28
Republicans 61 34
Conservative Reps. 55 40

Regardless of their preference on the Schiavo case, about two-thirds of conservatives and evangelicals alike call congressional intervention inappropriate. And majorities in both groups, as in others, are skeptical of the motivations of the political leaders seeking to extend Schiavo's life.


Should Federal Government Intervene?
Support Oppose
Non-evangelical 26% 71
Evangelical 44 50
Catholics 38 56
Liberals 34 62
Moderates 29 67
Conservatives 48 49
Democrats 34 63
Independents 31 61
Republicans 39 58
Conservative Reps. 41 57

Preference and Experience

Public views on this issue are informed in part by Americans' preferences for their own care if they were in a similar situation: Sixteen percent would want life support; as noted, 78 percent would not. While still a very large majority, that's down from 87 percent in an ABC News/Washington Poll last week.

Among people who favor removing Schiavo's life support, 94 percent say that's also what they would want for themselves. By contrast, people who oppose removing the feeding tube in Schiavo's case divide about evenly on what they'd want for themselves: Forty-five percent would want life support, 41 percent would not.

Some speak from experience: A third of Americans say they've had friends or family members who passed away in a hospital or other care facility after life support was removed; nearly two in 10 say they were personally involved in that decision. People who've been personally involved in such a decision are more apt than others to support removing Schiavo's feeding tube and to say they personally would not want life support.

Age and Attention

There are differences among age groups. Senior citizens are more apt than others to strongly support removing Schiavo's feeding tube, and also more apt to oppose federal intervention. And young adults are less likely to say that, as a result of the Schiavo case, they've discussed their own wishes with family or friends.

Just under six in 10 Americans are closely following the Schiavo case, including 16 percent who've been following it very closely -- a respectable albeit not overwhelming level of public attention. Young adults, age 18 to 29, are less than half as likely as their elders to be following the case closely -- just 27 percent are doing so. There's an irony in that result: Schiavo herself was stricken at age 26.

Methodology

This ABC News poll was conducted by telephone March 20, 2005, among a random national sample of 501 adults. The results have a 4.5-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS Intersearch of Horsham, Pa.


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To: Dog Gone
The public, by 63 percent-28 percent, supports the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, and by a 25-point margin opposes a law mandating federal review of her case.

Overwhelmingly, most of the keep-her-alive-at-any-cost posters on Free Republic are out of touch with reality.

101 posted on 03/21/2005 8:48:48 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: Long Cut
This morning, I talked to several VERY conservative Sailors who are actually so appalled at this, they are writing their congresscritters to complain about it. Seems they're QUITE angry that the federal government has all this time on its hands to worry about an individual issue when we're having trouble getting airplanes to fly.

Indeed. After demonstrating that they can get a controversial bill drafted, passed, and ready for Dubya's signature in a weekend -- if they really want to -- they are going to be big-red-capital-Superman-S screwed if they don't get satisfactory results on tax/spending cuts, Social Security reform, et cetera.

102 posted on 03/21/2005 8:52:18 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Between the Lines

Just to clarify, I *WANT* to believe Terri is cognitive. I want her to revive. I don't want her to die. However, the facts I've seen simply don't support the belief she is cognitive and there's a chance she will recover.

Here's my problem with all of this. *IF* these are all true; why is it no court has EVER sided with Terri's parents and why is it all the court-appointed experts can find no trace of cognitive ability? I find it hard to believe not one court has ever concluded Terri is NOT in a PVS. I've even read the report of one of the court-appointed guardians.

I saw the tapes Terri's parents put out and it was obvious to me how the scenes were staged. Her mother holds her head directly in front of her face. Have you tried putting your face nearly nose-to-nose with someone and focus on the other? Her father stands in front of where Terri's face is and carries on a conversation when she's making noises and grunts. How do we know she doesn't always make such noises when they're not there or not having such a "conversation"?

That's the problem with just viewing a small clip of a videotape. It allows for highly edited and selective portions to support one's position. Those appointed by the courts who have spent MONTHS with Terri have ALL concluded she does NOT try to communicate and there is NO evidence of cognitive ability. Her eyes don't even focus on moving objects (IIRC).

Why do you think the neurologists who have actually examined her have all concluded she is in a PVS? The only ones who have claimed otherwise never examined her in person (again, IIRC) but only made such an observation by viewing the video her parents have put out. Even then, it was tentative pending examination.

Please clarify your claim about her ability to swallow. All I've seen were conclusions she was incapable of swallowing.


103 posted on 03/21/2005 8:52:23 AM PST by Edward Watson
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To: goldstategop
"The GOP is helping Terri to have a chance to live."

True. But against her wishes.

104 posted on 03/21/2005 8:52:46 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Peach; hchutch
It's pretty bad. Congress has apparently dropped all effort on such things as taxes, Social Security, tort reform, the war, entitlement reform, the budget, and everything ELSE that they're paid to worry about to take this up. That they've done it due to the pressure of some extremist groups doesn't help.

The polls over the next few days will be painful to look at. In FR's "ehco chamber", and in this hothouse of emotional venting, it's easy to miss the fact that the larger swath of Americans does not like this, or the precedent it sets.

There are large numbers of voters who supported the President and the Republicans based on the security issue, but were a bit leery of the religious right. Their fears are now being confirmed. We can only hope they don't remember this in 2006, or the Senate at least is in jeapardy.

105 posted on 03/21/2005 8:54:11 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Aquinasfan
the State[sic] is obligated to intervene in cases of attempted murder

The federal government has no legitimate role whatsoever in homicide cases (outside a few narrow circumstances, none of which are applicable here).

106 posted on 03/21/2005 8:54:41 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Drango
Long time conservative FReepers were shouted down if they dared to suggest anything other than Federal involvement

very true

107 posted on 03/21/2005 8:55:21 AM PST by not-alone
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To: KC_Conspirator
And, if the poll is so accurate, why are the democrats basically not putting up a fight? Why are the democrats in the senate just allowing this vote?

When the opposition is shooting himself in the foot, don't interfere.

108 posted on 03/21/2005 8:55:40 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Dog Gone
Of course the MSM shows which side of morality that they stand on.

They compromise their ethics based on where some unscientific poll stands.

I say put Terri's starvation on television for all those in favor of her murder to watch.

One dose of this reality television would settle for all time the issue of abortion and the murder of innocents by activist judges.
109 posted on 03/21/2005 8:56:06 AM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: senorita

That was the question of poll ~ most didn't even read the poll question.

"What would you do if it was you in this state?"

I wouldn't spend six months that way ~ release me from my earthly bonds and let be with the Lord.


110 posted on 03/21/2005 8:56:23 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: KC_Conspirator
"Secondly, there is a reason why very little opposition has come from the democrats - and that is because this is a losing issue for them. Someone realized in the senatet that its not good to clamor over one another in order to be the first one to kill a handicapped person."

Or, they're reading the polls and getting out of the way while the Republicans shoot themselves in the foot.

111 posted on 03/21/2005 8:56:33 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: KC_Conspirator
"Okay, but Terry never made a living will with instructions to take her off assistance."

That is correct. If she would have, she'd have been dead and buried back in 2000 when it was first ordered by the court.

As it is, she verbally told her husband, her husband's brother, and her best friend that she wouldn't want to live that way. The judge heard, and accepted, the sworn testimony of those three individuals.

By law, that is sufficient.

112 posted on 03/21/2005 8:56:56 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: senorita

I think I'd want to be kept alive. I understand she can taste and appreciate jello and she smiles at music and her parents.

Maybe it sounds stupid to base a quality of life just on the pleasures of eating jello, but I figure that is better than nothing (I'm assuming she's not in severe pain).

I think that is better than being dead, myself. HOWEVER I would want to be well taken care of, given therapy, changed positions so I don't get bedsores, etc.

I guess I just really value my life. We only get one, after all. It might not be the quality of life we once had but it's better than no life (IMO).

I've told my husband I'd want to be kept alive. Guess I'm one of the 2 in 10 who would. Oh well--it's not the first time my opinion is out of the mainstream!


113 posted on 03/21/2005 8:57:57 AM PST by olivia3boys
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To: JoeGar
The only reality I accept is that we're trying to save an innocent human being and a good person. Public opinion polls be damned.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
114 posted on 03/21/2005 8:58:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: steve-b
"Indeed. After demonstrating that they can get a controversial bill drafted, passed, and ready for Dubya's signature in a weekend -- if they really want to -- they are going to be big-red-capital-Superman-S screwed if they don't get satisfactory results on tax/spending cuts, Social Security reform, et cetera."

Yup. They'd better be thinking about working a LOT of weekends now. Oh, and when the Dims charge, as they will do, that the GOP is controlled by its extremist factions (think judges), there won't be much cover left. Or political capital.

115 posted on 03/21/2005 8:59:37 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: robertpaulsen
I beg to differ. We don't know what Terri's wishes ARE. If we knew, a federal court wouldn't have to hear testimony to determine them.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
116 posted on 03/21/2005 9:01:09 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Long Cut

Agreed. The "culture warriors" really don't get it. And anyone who tries to spell it out is going to be attacked for doing so.


117 posted on 03/21/2005 9:03:38 AM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: Notwithstanding
"Rational people understand that having a new common-law wife and family automatically destroys any "spousal rights" claim that he may have had to be the guardian of the woman who practically and logically speaking is now his former wife."

Logical people understand that's irrelevant. Michael is her guardian.

"At the very least he has a conflict of interest that he cannot overcome when it comes to any decision about Terri's fate."

What's the conflict? Live or die, there's no conflict. What are you talking about?

"And you seem to be ill-informed ..."

And you seem to be ignorant of what I know.

118 posted on 03/21/2005 9:04:13 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: goldstategop; Long Cut; Poohbah; Howlin

Yeah.. and now, we're going to have some trobule on Social Security... I hope the Repbulicans are used to working weekends. And the Religious Right had DAMN well better deliver in 2006 after the GOP stuck their necks out or they're going to have ZERO credibility with the GOP for a generation.


119 posted on 03/21/2005 9:06:23 AM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: Edward Watson

Thank you for your excellant post.


120 posted on 03/21/2005 9:06:47 AM PST by not-alone
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To: goldstategop
We can never know for certain what Terri's wishes were, and -- because this is a matter of life and death and because of her husband's behavior and motivation -- the court should have viewed her husband's claim with a high level of skepticism and scrutiny.

If this had been a matter of removing life support technolgy, I'd not contest it. But this is withholding food and water, which for me is an entirely different thing.

I'm imagining where this could lead. Parents of a severely mentally retarded child, one who perhaps lacks the muscle control to feed himself, opt to withhold food. Children of a severe Alzheimer's patient might do the same thing. Because this is a slippery road down which to travel, I support Terri's parents.
121 posted on 03/21/2005 9:10:26 AM PST by zook
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To: hchutch

Those supporting life in this case have been no more intolerant here than those supporting the removal of the feeding tube.


122 posted on 03/21/2005 9:11:45 AM PST by zook
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To: hchutch; Poohbah
The next time the Religious Right throws a hissy-fit, and threatens to stay home on election day, do you think anyone will listen, and get taken for another ride?

More polls will come out this week. If, as I suspect, they confirm this one, watch the congresscritters backtrack furiously. It'll be a big game of "cover-yer-ass".

123 posted on 03/21/2005 9:12:53 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: zook

Whatever.


124 posted on 03/21/2005 9:13:09 AM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: hchutch

Gosh. I hadn't quite thought of it that way.


125 posted on 03/21/2005 9:14:30 AM PST by zook
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To: Notwithstanding
"What evidence is there that Terri wants to be starved to death or ever clearly expressed a desire to be starved to death if she were in her current state?"

What kind of question is that? She simply made statements to her husband and others (including her best friend) that she would not want to live that way.

You get this little thrill, don't you, about using the phrase "STARVED TO DEATH"?

First off, she feels no pain. She has no brain left. Second, let me ask you a question. If she had a living will, just how would YOU go about fulfilling her wishes.

What? STARVED TO DEATH would be OK then? Is that what you're saying?

126 posted on 03/21/2005 9:14:42 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: zook
Those supporting life in this case have been no more intolerant here than those supporting the removal of the feeding tube.

Aside from the shrieking demands for mass ZOTting of all dissenters, that is.

127 posted on 03/21/2005 9:15:38 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: Poohbah

I've scanned across several of these threads. The husband's supporters have been just as agressive as Terri's. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out. It sounds like whining.


128 posted on 03/21/2005 9:18:53 AM PST by zook
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To: Long Cut; hchutch
The next time the Religious Right throws a hissy-fit, and threatens to stay home on election day, do you think anyone will listen, and get taken for another ride?

Ever forget to repay a loanshark?

The religious right had BETTER deliver the votes after this, or the rest of the GOP is going to be looking for some bones to break.

129 posted on 03/21/2005 9:18:57 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: robertpaulsen

There is not record of what is claimed, until years later, and not one of them is a bllod family member. If one were sitting in a will hearing about who gets the house and family heirlooms, the word of three non-blood family members would not be sufficient.

This is a copy of the orginal testimony some 2 years after Terry's accident. Micheal would later testify to something completely different:


November 1992
Testimony of Michael Schiavo, Medical Malpractice Trial

Q. Why did you want to learn to be a nurse?
MS. Because I enjoy it and I want to learn more how to take care of Terri.

Q. You're a young man. Your life is ahead of you. When you look up the road, what do you see for yourself?
MS. I see myself hopefully finishing school and taking care of my wife.

Q. Where do you want to take care of your wife?
MS. I want to bring her home.

Q. If you had the resources available to you, if you had the equipment and the people, would you do that?
MS. Yes, I would, in a heartbeat.

Q. How do you feel about being married to Terri now.
MS. I feel wonderful. She's my life and I wouldn't trade her for the world. I believe in my marriage vows.

Q. You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?
MS. I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.

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(Note: In January of 1993, a jury awarded Michael $350,000 for loss of consortium, and $750,000 went into a medical trust for all of Terri's future rehabilitative care, which was based on the testimony of Michael stating that he wanted to care for Terri for the rest of his life. If Terri should die, Michael would inherit the balance of the trust fund. Not only did Mr. Schiavo not provide Terri with rehabilitation, he has denied his wife any and all therapy, against Doctors' recommendations, since the 1993 malpractice award.)


130 posted on 03/21/2005 9:20:52 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Poohbah
"Ever forget to repay a loanshark?

The religious right had BETTER deliver the votes after this, or the rest of the GOP is going to be looking for some bones to break."

Interesting choice of words. Those hayseed hick Christians, really got the moderate nobles panties in a bunch.
131 posted on 03/21/2005 9:21:39 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Poohbah
"The religious right had BETTER deliver the votes after this, or the rest of the GOP is going to be looking for some bones to break."

Past history indicates that the bone-breakers wil be busy, then. The RR's don't have a good payment record. Mostly, they just demand something else.

132 posted on 03/21/2005 9:22:42 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut; Poohbah

I dunno.

I just hope Karl Rove is laying down the law to a bunch of these folks soon. The problem is, the general public doesn't have a long memory on this - and these folks DO have a long memory when it comes to slights - both real and perceived.

People have to win primaries to get to the general election. The GOP is getting caught in a similar dynamic that the Dems are already facing. A Democrat like Joe Lieberman or Dick Gephardt, folks who are still hawkish on the war on terror, can't get past the primary. Why? The base voters there wanted a Howard Dean or John Kerry, because they oppose the war on terror.

The thing is, reasonably competent people like Condi Rice or Rudy Giuliani will face similar problems from pro-life folks in a primary - even though they could probably win the general election in a landslide.

I really think this issue is a wash - the Democrats have their own extremists, and they could easily overplay that hand. More or less, it does present a TON of pressure to deliver on bigger issues.

Oh, and the pro-lifers had better deliver, OR ELSE there will be some SERIOUS repercussions for the GOP.


133 posted on 03/21/2005 9:25:22 AM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: Long Cut

Well, I couldn't respond because I got ANOTHER phone call from an irate friend. SHe's as conservative as they come and joined with me volunteering at RNC headquarters prior to the election. She is NOT pleased right now and neither is her husband and his co-workers.

And as I was reminded by another freeper this morning, think about how many more judges we're going to have to hire to litigate these matters going forward? And the hospital bills which most families cannot afford and so the goverment will pick up. Prepare for higher taxes and insurance premiums. Big time.


134 posted on 03/21/2005 9:25:33 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: goldstategop
"We don't know what Terri's wishes ARE."

Oh please. We'll never know now since she has no brain left to tell us. We know what they WERE, and that's got to be good enough.

What kind of a lame argument are you trying to make?

135 posted on 03/21/2005 9:26:25 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: senorita

Why is what you would want relevant? Most religious people believe that God is in charge here, and that He commands that we love one another. Providing nourishment and hydration falls in the category of love. And, it's not even as though the taxpayer were going to have to foot the bill, as her parents are ready, able, and willing to do so.

People are making this case far more complicated than it is-- do we allow her loved ones to give this woman food and water, or do we disallow it? The answer to this question speaks volumes about us as a society.


136 posted on 03/21/2005 9:26:43 AM PST by walden
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To: zook
If this had been a matter of removing life support technology, I'd not contest it.

Food, water, oxygen it's all the same you die without them. The controversy is the question of whether she is actually "here" or are they just holding her shell hostage using human technology. Seems others may have their own agendas also.

137 posted on 03/21/2005 9:27:02 AM PST by NY-YANK
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To: Long Cut

"Past history indicates that the bone-breakers wil be busy, then. The RR's don't have a good payment record. Mostly, they just demand something else."

Oh you moderate nobles, slur with the best of them, look out evolution time to end that government funded religion.


138 posted on 03/21/2005 9:27:08 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dog Gone

I think that the vast majority do not know enough about the case to have an opinion. But anybody can answer a poll.


139 posted on 03/21/2005 9:27:22 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think this poll is bogus. People I know who I'd never expect to be upset about this are livid.


140 posted on 03/21/2005 9:29:01 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: zook
You do realize that it was the judge that ordered the feeding tube removed after hearing testimony? This was not Michaels decision. He brought it to the judge to decide.

So, your scenario about the parents choosing to withhold food is wrong and is also inflammatory to the discussion.

141 posted on 03/21/2005 9:33:10 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: mlc9852

Right! This is not an ordinary cut and dried case. There are circumstances that the general public doesn't have a clue about unless they inform themselves and I think this poll just might have run across these particular people.


142 posted on 03/21/2005 9:33:58 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Tribune7

My Democrat coworker, who BTW is Muslim, from Egypt, and agrees with EVERYTHING the Democrats say usually, is totally appalled that this woman is being starved when her family wants to take care of her.

It's as simple as that.

I really don't think this is a very complicated moral dilemma.


143 posted on 03/21/2005 9:36:45 AM PST by olivia3boys
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To: robertpaulsen
Its not a lame argument. We have only her husband's word for it and he doesn't exactly strike me as the suffering martyr type. I'm hard pressed to think of a spouse that wanted a loved one dead. That's why people think he's nuts. Of course we can't know what Terri said. She never told her husband or her family. But that's understandable. At 26, you think you'll live forever. Its a tragedy what's happened to this woman. All the same, its not a justification to take her life.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
144 posted on 03/21/2005 9:37:49 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Long Cut
I expect the Democrats to be poll-driven. But you know what they say about popularity - its fleeting.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
145 posted on 03/21/2005 9:39:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
"I expect the Democrats to be poll-driven..."

Do you doubt for a minute that the Congressional Republicans AREN'T? If so, wait a week as more polls come out and they all drop this like a red-hot rivet. Prior to now, all they had were the emails, letters, and phone calls of a small but vocal minority to go on. Now they have polling data, with more to come.

It's not gonna be pretty.

146 posted on 03/21/2005 9:44:46 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Dog Gone
most think the elected officials trying to keep Schiavo alive are doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or for the principles involved.

It probably didn't help when the GOP leadership circulated a memo to congress advising them to get involved because it would be good politics and please their base.
147 posted on 03/21/2005 9:46:49 AM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: Just mythoughts
"look out evolution time to end that government funded religion."

Since most of the same extremists supporting THAT outcome also are the ones who brought about this fiasco, don't hold your breath. Lawmakers don't listen well to fanatics, especially after polls come out.

148 posted on 03/21/2005 9:47:02 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: chimera
It's hard to imagine that even Rome amidst the worst of its bloodthirsty revelry and debauchery would have imagined killing a newborn by sucking it's brains out while in the process of delivery, or burning the skin off of unborn children with injected concentrated saline solutions. Yet it happens in this country all the time.

Well actually Roman fathers (Paterfamilias) had the power of life and death over every member of their family. If a Roman father didn't want to raise a newborn as a citizen for any reason, or for no reason at all, the baby could be abandoned, usually in the countryside to die of exposure.

Cordially,

149 posted on 03/21/2005 9:50:22 AM PST by Diamond
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To: wideawake
Most people who have even heard of Terri Schiavo in the first place assume that she is comatose and being kept alive artificially with a respirator, etc. Very few people realize that the court is ordering that a helpless woman be forcibly starved to death.

Unfortunately, there is a contingent right here on Free Republic that, though they understand the facts, still prefer her murder. Like the pro-aborts who will look you straight in the eye and say, "of course it's a baby, but it's the mother's choice".

150 posted on 03/21/2005 9:51:51 AM PST by workerbee
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