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Poll: No Role for Government in Schiavo Case
ABC News ^ | March 21, 2005 | GARY LANGER

Posted on 03/21/2005 7:30:53 AM PST by Dog Gone

Federal Intervention in Schiavo Case Prompts Broad Public Disapproval

Analysis by GARY LANGER

Mar. 21, 2005 - Americans broadly and strongly disapprove of federal intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, with sizable majorities saying Congress is overstepping its bounds for political gain.

The public, by 63 percent-28 percent, supports the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, and by a 25-point margin opposes a law mandating federal review of her case. Congress passed such legislation and President Bush signed it early today.

That legislative action is distinctly unpopular: Not only do 60 percent oppose it, more -- 70 percent -- call it inappropriate for Congress to get involved in this way. And by a lopsided 67 percent-19 percent, most think the elected officials trying to keep Schiavo alive are doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or for the principles involved.

This ABC News poll also finds that the Schiavo case has prompted an enormous level of personal discussion: Half of Americans say that as a direct result of hearing about this case, they've spoken with friends or family members about what they'd want done if they were in a similar condition. Nearly eight in 10 would not want to be kept alive.

Intensity

In addition to the majority, the intensity of public sentiment is also on the side of Schiavo's husband, who has fought successfully in the Florida courts to remove her feeding tube. And intensity runs especially strongly against congressional involvement.

Included among the 63 percent who support removing the feeding tube are 42 percent who "strongly" support it -- twice as many as strongly oppose it. And among the 70 percent who call congressional intervention inappropriate are 58 percent who hold that view strongly -- an especially high level of strong opinion.

GOP Groups

Views on this issue are informed more by ideological and religious views than by political partisanship. Republicans overall look much like Democrats and independents in their opinions.

But two core Republican groups -- conservatives and evangelical Protestants -- are more divided: Fifty-four percent of conservatives support removal of Schiavo's feeding tube, compared with seven in 10 moderates and liberals. And evangelical Protestants divide about evenly -- 46 percent are in favor of removing the tube, 44 percent opposed. Among non-evangelical Protestants, 77 percent are in favor -- a huge division between evangelical and mainline Protestants.

Conservatives and evangelicals also are more likely to support federal intervention in the case, although it doesn't reach a majority in either group. Indeed, conservative Republicans oppose involving the federal courts, by 57 percent-41 percent.

Conservatives and evangelicals hold these views even though most people in both groups -- 73 percent and 68 percent, respectively -- say that if they personally were in this condition, they would not want to be kept alive.


Should Feeding Tube Be Removed?
Support Oppose
Non-evangelical 77% 18
Evangelical 46 44
Catholics 63 26
Liberals 68 24
Moderates 69 22
Conservatives 54 40
Democrats 65 25
Independents 63 28
Republicans 61 34
Conservative Reps. 55 40

Regardless of their preference on the Schiavo case, about two-thirds of conservatives and evangelicals alike call congressional intervention inappropriate. And majorities in both groups, as in others, are skeptical of the motivations of the political leaders seeking to extend Schiavo's life.


Should Federal Government Intervene?
Support Oppose
Non-evangelical 26% 71
Evangelical 44 50
Catholics 38 56
Liberals 34 62
Moderates 29 67
Conservatives 48 49
Democrats 34 63
Independents 31 61
Republicans 39 58
Conservative Reps. 41 57

Preference and Experience

Public views on this issue are informed in part by Americans' preferences for their own care if they were in a similar situation: Sixteen percent would want life support; as noted, 78 percent would not. While still a very large majority, that's down from 87 percent in an ABC News/Washington Poll last week.

Among people who favor removing Schiavo's life support, 94 percent say that's also what they would want for themselves. By contrast, people who oppose removing the feeding tube in Schiavo's case divide about evenly on what they'd want for themselves: Forty-five percent would want life support, 41 percent would not.

Some speak from experience: A third of Americans say they've had friends or family members who passed away in a hospital or other care facility after life support was removed; nearly two in 10 say they were personally involved in that decision. People who've been personally involved in such a decision are more apt than others to support removing Schiavo's feeding tube and to say they personally would not want life support.

Age and Attention

There are differences among age groups. Senior citizens are more apt than others to strongly support removing Schiavo's feeding tube, and also more apt to oppose federal intervention. And young adults are less likely to say that, as a result of the Schiavo case, they've discussed their own wishes with family or friends.

Just under six in 10 Americans are closely following the Schiavo case, including 16 percent who've been following it very closely -- a respectable albeit not overwhelming level of public attention. Young adults, age 18 to 29, are less than half as likely as their elders to be following the case closely -- just 27 percent are doing so. There's an irony in that result: Schiavo herself was stricken at age 26.

Methodology

This ABC News poll was conducted by telephone March 20, 2005, among a random national sample of 501 adults. The results have a 4.5-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS Intersearch of Horsham, Pa.


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To: senorita

I feel the same way as you.


51 posted on 03/21/2005 7:49:56 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Long Cut
The GOP is facing a huge fight within itself because of this.

It's a flash-in-the-pan, early in the administration.

52 posted on 03/21/2005 7:50:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Long Cut

Yeah, they will. It was coming sooner or late over some sort of cultural issue.

The culture war has been a loser for the GOP.


53 posted on 03/21/2005 7:50:29 AM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: pgkdan

Exactly. 501 people polled?? Doesn't mean shiite to me.


54 posted on 03/21/2005 7:52:00 AM PST by lilmsdangrus (hard work musta hurt somebody, somewhere....)
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To: Dog Gone

If they had listened to the polls back in 1776, Queen Elizabeth would be our head of state today.


55 posted on 03/21/2005 7:52:36 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Dog Gone
Lets look at some of these biased questions:

1. How closely have you been following the case of Terri Schiavo, the woman at the center of a life-support controversy in Florida? Have you been following this issue very closely, somewhat closely, not so closely or not closely at all?

2. Schiavo suffered brain damage and has been on life support for 15 years. Doctors say she has no consciousness and her condition is irreversible. Her husband and her parents disagree about whether she would have wanted to be kept alive. Florida courts have sided with the husband and her feeding tube was removed on Friday. What's your opinion on this case - do you support or oppose the decision to remove Schiavo's feeding tube? Do you support/oppose it strongly or somewhat?

3. If you were in this condition, would you want to be kept alive, or not?

4. Florida state courts have heard the Schiavo case. Federal courts have said they don't have jurisdiction because it involves Florida law only. Would you support or oppose a new federal law requiring the federal courts to review the Schiavo case? This probably would mean reinserting the feeding tube until the case goes through the federal courts. 5. Regardless of your preferences in the Schiavo case, do you think it is appropriate or inappropriate for Congress to get involved in this way? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?

6. Do you think the political leaders who are trying to keep Schiavo alive are more concerned about (her and the principles involved), or more concerned about (using her case for political advantage)?

7. As a direct result of your hearing about the Schiavo case, have you yourself had any discussions with friends or family members about what you would want done if you were in this condition, or not?

8. Have you had any friends or family members who passed away in a hospital or other care facility after life support was discontinued, or not? IF YES: Were you personally involved in that decision, or not?

56 posted on 03/21/2005 7:52:44 AM PST by Between the Lines (True Christianity is the best kept secret around.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Actually, knowing the facts doesn't automatically mean one will support keeping Terri's body alive. Ask yourself, why is it every single independent medical or court-appointed observer of Terri concluded she can NEVER revive? Why is it every single court case has been won by her husband instead of her parents?

Here's something I wrote (and please to all who disagree - please act like decent Christians and abstain from mindless hostility. If you disagree, just say so and if possible, explain why. Resorting to ad hominem attacks is disgraceful):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

LET TERRI DIE AND RETURN TO GOD

A huge outcry has been raised concerning the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. Why the emotion over a common medical practice of stopping artificial treatment when there is no hope of recovery?

Terri has been kept artificially alive for more than fifteen years despite being in a “persistent vegetative state.” What exactly does this mean?

"People in [this] state cannot think, speak or respond to commands and are not aware of their surroundings. They may have noncognitive functions and breathing and circulation may remain relatively intact." (National Institute of Health)

Terri is kept alive by having a feeding tube inserted into her stomach. She has no chance of recovery. If it wasn’t for modern medicine, she would've died within several days of her heart failure.

What exactly is the difference of her and those who are kept alive by ventilators but are also impossible to restore?

When my wife was dying from cervical cancer several years ago, I signed a "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" form. I didn't want to see the woman I loved, the mother of my three young sons, my mate of ten years and eternal companion, suffer more than she had. Seeing her go through three years of pain was more than I could bear.

When she slipped into a coma, we knew the end was near. When she stopped breathing, I was holding her hand, whispering "Go towards the light." And "I will love you forever."

Her sisters were frantic and wanted her to be resuscitated and kept alive for as long as possible on the machines. I put my foot down and said no and informed them I signed a "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" form. As a result, my wife was finally at rest and no longer suffering.

To this day my in-laws still harbor anger towards me and still haven't stopped grieving for my late wife.

Terri's family wants to believe she will recover. They are portraying her husband as being evil for wanting to put an end to the horrible spectacle of artificially keeping this poor woman alive in a permanent vegetative state.

When people are in a situation where it is impossible for them to recover, it is an obscenity to perpetuate life when the only decent thing is to let our loved one go. It is unfortunate cryonics is still considered an outlandish procedure. Those cases that hold hope of a future medical cure should just be cryogenically preserved. I know I would prefer to be cryogenically frozen if I was placed in a similar situation. Nanomedicine a century or two from now shouldn’t have any problem repairing cellular damage from the freezing process and revive those frozen, regardless of their illness.

We humans are designed to eventually DIE. Everyone wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die. How long must this poor woman be kept artificially alive before she is allowed to move on to the next life? Isn’t fifteen years enough?

Her doctors aren’t evil. Neither is her husband. He loves her and wants her to finally be at peace. Living as a vegetable is no way for humans to live.

It is helpful to examine the different situations where artificial treatment is given in cases of medical incapacity:

• Cessation of brain and heart and/or other organ activity
• Cessation of brain activity
• Cessation of cognitive brain activity
• Cessation of heart or other organ activity

Cessation of brain and heart

Must one continually perform CPR upon a person who has drowned? How long must it be performed before one discontinues artificial treatment and face facts the patient will never recover? What if the victim's parents insist CPR be continued non-stop for days on end? One has to face facts artificial treatment may only work within a very small window of opportunity in cases of brain-death and heart stoppage.

Cessation of brain activity

What about in cases of brain-death and the person is only kept alive by machines? If the patient’s brain has ceased to function and the patient is incapable of breathing on his own; the person’s chances of recovery are nonexistent.

Cessation of cognitive brain activity

People in permanent comas lose their cognitive ability. They are incapable of thinking, waking up or communicating. Most doctors agree if these patients haven’t recovered after a year; they will never recover. However, everyone has heard stories about people waking up from comas after 10 years, giving the faint hope that our loved one will also recover some day. However for every one that does recover, thousands don’t and most die a slow death.

Cessation of heart or other organ activity

Modern medicine has machines that can keep a person alive for quite some time if they lose the use of a certain organ, such as kidneys or heart. It isn’t a permanent solution though and the person will need their defective organ repaired or replaced.

Final thoughts

Terri Schiavo suffered permanent brain damage from heart failure. This damage was so severe that she is incapable of cognitive thought. Her brain still works to a limited extent - the involuntary systems such as her respiratory and circulatory systems are still functioning. But Terri, the person, the personality, is not longer there. It’s as if the portions of her brain that stored her person, her memories, her thoughts and her personality were removed. It’s as if her spirit is no longer in her body. The only thing her brain does is keep her physical body alive – it has become nothing more than a hospital respirator or heart-lung machine.

I know it’s heartbreaking for most to see her. She sleeps and awakes, her eyes open and she moves from side to side. But according to all the independent and court-appointed observers, some of whom spent several months by her side, her eyes don’t focus. There’s never been any hint she recognizes anyone or anything. She doesn’t respond to speech or touch. All the remains is involuntary and noncognitive. Those most familiar with her specific case such as medical doctors and courts have all agreed with this assessment. This is why her husband has won every single case against her parents. It isn’t a conspiracy; the facts are obvious when examined honestly.

Fifteen years is long enough. I know what her husband is going through. He wants his wife to rest and stop being the vegetable laying in bed. He was a faithful husband for many years and placed great demands on his time and those caring for Terri for at least eight years before recognizing the hopelessness and decided to end the horror. I don’t think I could’ve lasted that long with the constant pain of seeing my wife in such a condition. At least he had the sense to move on, find another and raise a family while her parents still cling to a miracle of recovery.

We need to face facts. Sometimes God’s answer is no regardless of how fervently we want otherwise. Let us all let her go so she may enjoy her rest with the Lord.


57 posted on 03/21/2005 7:53:26 AM PST by Edward Watson
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To: rightandproudofit
No, what's really bad is that people don't understand that congress has the right and obligation to set the jurisdiction of our Federal courts.

Is it amazing how little understanding Americans have about the Constitution? I mean, Congress doesn't overstep its bounds when they authorize a prescription medicaid benefit?

I wanted Terri Schiavo to live but I didn't want to trample all over the Constitution either. We clearly avoided several Constitutional hurdles in this case as Congress is vested with unlimited authority to determine the jurisdiction of the federal court system.

58 posted on 03/21/2005 7:53:50 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: Bones75
Ask yourself, since YOU evidently understand the story.. what would you want? <<<
Great point..but it isn't about YOU!!!..Its about the governments right to starve someone to DEATH!...let me ask you...would you rather be starved to death of shot in the head?...if her husband shot her he'd be charged with murder...if the judicial starves her to death...all is ok...Sound like the right answer to you?
59 posted on 03/21/2005 7:53:58 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: SoFloFreeper; Dog Gone

Shame on the Florida legislature. They should have implemented legislation requiring a complete physical examination, including MRI, before any life or death decisions by the family could be made.


60 posted on 03/21/2005 7:55:50 AM PST by NeonKnight
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To: Between the Lines

The bottom line though is that even if the premises in the poll questions were true, Congress under the Constitution still would have the power to enact the legislation that was signed by Bushius Maximus last night.


61 posted on 03/21/2005 7:56:33 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: Bones75
what would you want?

I sure wouldn't want to be starved to death, that's for sure. Would you want to be starved to death? Is that desire codified in a proviso of your living will? The notion that Terri Schiavo "expressed her desire" to be starved to death is absurd on its face, along with the belated, self-contradictory assertions of M.S. and a state judge who directly ordered that she be starved to death.

Since when does a state judge have the authority to order that a citizen of the United States be starved to death?

Cordially,

62 posted on 03/21/2005 7:57:04 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Bones75
No amount of wishing, hoping, praying, protesting, accusations of abuse, or grandstanding judges and politicians will change that.

You vastly underestimate the power of God.

63 posted on 03/21/2005 7:58:05 AM PST by Between the Lines (True Christianity is the best kept secret around.)
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To: Diamond
Last I heard, we don't conduct referenda to determine who should live and who should die. They used to have these displays in the Roman amphitheaters where the crowds used to show which way their thumbs went in deciding whether someone should be fed to the lions. I'd like to think we're more civilized than the bloodthirsty pagans of ancient Rome.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
64 posted on 03/21/2005 8:01:03 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: B Knotts
This poll is the Culture of Death on display for all. Disgusting. But not terribly surprising.

The frightening part is the overwhelming majority are part of the Culture of Death which means it includes our friends, neighbors, acquaintances and family! Be afraid, be very afraid!!!

65 posted on 03/21/2005 8:01:36 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Dog Gone

Well, there you have it. If this poll is anywhere near accurate, we are now officially a nation of moral cretins. Heaven help us, though we don't deserve it.


66 posted on 03/21/2005 8:02:08 AM PST by VinceJS
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To: dfwgator
Excellent point! About half the colonists were no good bootlicking, arse-kissing Loyalists. A third were revolutionary Patriots and the remaining third were half assed fence-sitters. In a word, today's moderates. Thank heaven we didn't listen to the two thirds opposed to American independence back then.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
67 posted on 03/21/2005 8:04:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Long Cut
Gotta disagree with you there. This is actually VERY good for Republicans. For one, its the right thing to do. The rights to life is a core value for the GOP.

Secondly, there is a reason why very little opposition has come from the democrats - and that is because this is a losing issue for them. Someone realized in the senatet that its not good to clamor over one another in order to be the first one to kill a handicapped person.

68 posted on 03/21/2005 8:04:18 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Notwithstanding

4) George Felos was a on the Board of Directors and Past Chairman for The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast


69 posted on 03/21/2005 8:04:46 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: hchutch
We've been sitting there and taking it. And the Left has portrayed us as a bunch of intolerant nutcases. Its done its damage. Standing up for what's right isn't always the popular thing to do. I don't owe any one an apology for the values that guide me.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
70 posted on 03/21/2005 8:06:49 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Edward Watson
Terri Schiavo has had no MRI or PET scan. Only a CT scan has led some neurologists to conclude that her cerebral cortex has liquefied; other neurologists dispute the possibility of reliably making that inference from CT scans. Many of the initial determinations of fact under Judge Greer relied on the testimony of Dr. Ronald Cranford. He is certainly a medical expert; but he is also a right-to-die zealot who advocates the removal of feeding tubes for patients with Alzheimer's dementia.

This is from the National Review online today. All the facts are not in regarding Terri.

71 posted on 03/21/2005 8:07:14 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: bigeasy_70118
Of course it doesn't. Congress doesn't have the authority to create an expensive new entitlement program. It does have the power to protect our God-given rights. What's funny is the very people who object to protecting those rights are the same people who demand to be wards of the state.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
72 posted on 03/21/2005 8:08:48 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I'd like to think we're more civilized than the bloodthirsty pagans of ancient Rome.

I'd like to think that, too, but sometimes I wonder. It's hard to imagine that even Rome amidst the worst of its bloodthirsty revelry and debauchery would have imagined killing a newborn by sucking it's brains out while in the process of delivery, or burning the skin off of unborn children with injected concentrated saline solutions. Yet it happens in this country all the time.

We're seeing in the Schiavo case the logical endpoint of the culture of death. Killing innocents persons has become acceptable and sanctioned by society, with certain caveats (which themselves are being eroded away). Things like the court accepting the hearsay of another individual with obvious conflicts of interest, taking polls to gauge public approval of the killing, etc., all lend an aura of acceptability. Of course, the preference is that the killing be shielded by the masquerade of "privacy", done out of sight and out of mind, hidden away somewhere in a chamber of horrors abortion mill, or a hospice room to which visitation of family and friends is denied.

73 posted on 03/21/2005 8:10:07 AM PST by chimera
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To: Dog Gone

Proving that Terri actually has more brain function than most Americans.....


74 posted on 03/21/2005 8:10:47 AM PST by clintonh8r (Heteronormative and PROUD!!)
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To: Puppage

"even thought there's NO written, or video taped wish on Teri's part, so LET'S JUST ERR ON THE SIDE OF DEATH."

I'm in agreement with you on this particular point, and I think it is the only point that should be considered. I have to admit that I am very ignorant to the facts of this case, so my opinion is worth very little.

I do have a question for all of you more knowledgeable freepers. What makes this tragic situation open for Federal involvement? While I personally think that the Florida Judges are not erring on the side of life, per the reason above, does the Fla. Legislators and Gov. have no recourse? What legal precedent is being set?


75 posted on 03/21/2005 8:14:01 AM PST by CSM
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To: chimera
The Romans exposed unwanted infants to die of exposure and crucified their enemies. It took the conversion of the Empire to Christianity to abolish both barbaric practices. We're now living in what is essentially a post-Christian civilization. We've accepted abortion and we're well on the way to accepting euthanasia. And we live with these horrors because we never see the victims. How long did Rome last? America too is on the precipice of heading down the slippery slope to moral oblivion.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
76 posted on 03/21/2005 8:18:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Notwithstanding
"I bet the questions did not mention that:"

And for good reason. The first is totally irrelevant, and the other two are lies.

77 posted on 03/21/2005 8:19:52 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: CSM
I err on the side of life. Well, if we can't stop Terri from being murdered, its simply a matter of time before the moral disintegration of our society is realized. When no one is safe, don't be surprised if we all end up living in a "Clockwork Orange" world.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
78 posted on 03/21/2005 8:21:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: KC_Conspirator
"The media talks as if Terry said she wanted to the die and the GOP is stopping it."

That is exactly what's happening.

79 posted on 03/21/2005 8:22:19 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: bluefish
"I'm willing to bet 95% of the poeple polled here believe Terri is unconscious and in a coma."

That's the impression I had untul I saw some video over the weekend, which showed her seemingly conscious and responding to people; is that her normal state?
80 posted on 03/21/2005 8:23:32 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: SoFloFreeper

When the doctors told me my wife had six weeks to live, I starting investigating cryonics. I was shocked to discover just how credible their arguments were, especially those written by some of the world's leading neuro experts. I already knew nanotech will be able to repair cellular freezing damage within 50 years. What I didn't know was how important it was to begin the crygenics preservation before the brain was too damaged to preserve its neural links.

I loved my wife and didn't want to lose her. I then resolved to contact the Cryonics Institute and sign up my wife in the hopes she can be cured and revived in the future. Unfortunately, she passed away the night before I was going to call CI.

I felt horrible, not just of losing her, but also because of guilt and regret. If only I learned of cryonics a month before. If only I joined the Cryonics Institute a week before. Perhaps we would've been able to preserve her before her brain's connections broke down.

Since then, my entire outlook on the right-to-die has changed. While not supporting it strictly, I do support cryonic preservation before the brain's connections have been irreversably damaged.

My rationale is preserving the person and his personality is more important than extending life as long as possible.

By way of analogy, would anyone want to undergo a procedure that will extend one's life by 20 years but will have that 20 years as a mindless invalid? I doubt anyone will.

Cryonics hold the hope of revival in the future. If I ever suffer a brain-wasting disease such as Alzheimer's; I want the option while still cognitive of getting cryogenically frozen before my brain is irretrivably destroyed.

If we can chose to be buried or cremated, we should also have the option of getting frozen. After all, if cryonic revival in the future is impossible; no harm done - we'll be just as dead as if we were buried or cremated. However, if we're right; we will be restored to health sometime in the future.


81 posted on 03/21/2005 8:26:00 AM PST by Edward Watson
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To: Edward Watson
artificially keeping this poor woman alive

Food and water are not artificial to keeping one alive. Terri can swallow, but because her husband ordered that she not be fed by normal means a feeding tube was being used. Except for a few times when she was very sick, she has never needed a feeding tube to survive, but she does need to be fed, which is forbidden by her husband.

MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)
FACT:
The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101: Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is: (a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind. (b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.

MYTH: Many doctors have said that there is no hope for her.
FACT:
Dr. Victor Gambone testified that he visits Terri 3 times a year. His visits last for approximately 10 minutes. He also testified, after viewing the court videotapes at Terri&#8217;s recent trial, that he was surprised to see Terri&#8217;s level of awareness. This doctor is part of a team hand-picked by her husband, Michael Schiavo, shortly before he filed to have Terri&#8217;s feeding removed. Contrary to Schiavo&#8217;s team, 14 independent medical professionals (6 of them neurologists) have given either statements or testimony that Terri is NOT in a Persistent Vegetative State. Additionally, there has never been any medical dispute of Terri&#8217;s ability to swallow. Even with this compelling evidence, Terri&#8217;s husband, Michael Schiavo, has denied any form of therapy for her for over 10 years.

Dr. Melvin Greer, appointed by Schiavo, testified that a doctor need not examine a patient to know the appropriate medical treatment. He spent approximately 45 minutes with Terri. Dr. Peter Bambakidis, appointed by Judge Greer, spent approximately 30 minutes with Terri. Dr. Ronald Cranford, also appointed by Schiavo and who has publicly labeled himself &#8220;Dr. Death&#8221;, spent less than 45 minutes examining and interacting with Terri

MYTH: Terri does not need rehabilitation
FACT:
Florida Statute 744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated:
(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right
(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

This is a retained right that a guardian cannot take away. Additionally, it does not make exception for PVS patients. Terri has illegally been denied rehabilitation - as many nurses have sworn in affidavits.

MYTH: Removal of food was both legal and court-ordered.
FACT:
The courts had only allowed removal of Terri's feeding tube, not regular food and water. Terri's husband illegally ordered this. The law only allows the removal of "life-prolonging procedures," not regular food and water:

Florida Statute 765.309 Mercy killing or euthanasia not authorized; suicide distinguished. Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act or omission to end life other than to permit the natural process of dying.

82 posted on 03/21/2005 8:26:10 AM PST by Between the Lines (True Christianity is the best kept secret around.)
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To: robertpaulsen
The truth is exactly the reverse. The GOP is helping Terri to have a chance to live. But don't expect to hear it broadcast by our legacy media.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
83 posted on 03/21/2005 8:26:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: robertpaulsen

Okay, but Terry never made a living will with instructions to take her off assistance.


84 posted on 03/21/2005 8:26:19 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: goldstategop
And we live with these horrors because we never see the victims.

The more I read of these cases, the more convinced I am that this is the reason the culture of death we have today seems to be gaining favor with the public. It is all done out of sight and out of mind. The screams are muffled by the spurious legal shroud of "privacy". The blood that is spilled and the limbs torn asunder are left unseen. When the bloody practices are exposed to the light of day (e.g., billboards, or signs placed on trucks), the howls of protest are heard throughout the land ("cruel", or "unnecessary"), precisely because that is what the acts are, but people cover their eyes and ears to them.

The Romans put their bloody acts on public display in the coliseums and at places like Golgotha, and the populace was well aware to the nature of these acts. Today, people are duped into thinking the acts we practice today, while no less bloody and barbaric, are acceptable because they are "choice", or "the wishes of the family". Well, killing is killing, whether it is done on a cross of crucifixion or in the antiseptic rooms of an abortion clinic.

85 posted on 03/21/2005 8:27:17 AM PST by chimera
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To: Dog Gone; All

One day 'flash' polls with MOEs between 4 and 5 points are beyond worthless!

[This said, I'm sure that a majority of 'adults' do support removal of Terri's feeding tube; after all, this is the most UNINFORMED and MSM-DEPENDENT of the polling cohorts!]

Fortunately, we have a president who knows that the RIGHT decision is not always the popular decision and is still willing to make the RIGHT decision any way!!


86 posted on 03/21/2005 8:27:39 AM PST by DrDeb
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I truly thought Conservatives were against an intrusive government, yet we see people here not only welcoming it, but demanding it. I'm sure that those who want it both ways to suit their opinion will not understand my confusion.
87 posted on 03/21/2005 8:27:52 AM PST by NY-YANK
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To: Dog Gone
So let me get this straight....

60-70 OF AMERICANS DISAPPROVE OF THESE ACTIONS....

AND

CONGRESS IS DOING THIS FOR POLITICAL GAIN ONLY....

am I the only one amused by the inherent conflict of ABC's article???
88 posted on 03/21/2005 8:29:24 AM PST by TexasRainmaker (God only created a few politically perfect people. The rest He called democrats.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Rational people understand that
having a new common-law wife and family
automatically destroys
any "spousal rights" claim
that he may have had
to be the guardian
of the woman who
practically and logically speaking
is now his former wife.

At the very least he has a conflict of interest that he cannot overcome when it comes to any decision about Terri's fate.

"Judge" Greer seems to be an incompetent buffoon.

And you seem to be ill-informed about her current state of health and the therapy her "husband" has denied her.




89 posted on 03/21/2005 8:29:50 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Dog Gone
While my heart goes out to this lady and her family, I DO NOT believe the imperial federal government should be getting mixed up in this. This only opens the door for them to use this type of thing as an excuse to do anything they wish to do to tear down our rights. No, even tragic as it is, the damned government should keep its hands off. The president has more things to worry about than to be ready and able to sign each and every individual little bill that might come up on these issues. This could set a precedent we do not want or need.
90 posted on 03/21/2005 8:30:21 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Ted Kennedy is a democrat. Democrats are the enemy. Destroy your enemies.)
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To: Dog Gone

If I polled ABC news viewers and readers, I'd find that Abe Lincoln was the first President of the US and that Washington DC was near Seattle.


91 posted on 03/21/2005 8:30:34 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: Dog Gone
The Coliseum reeks with the rancid odor of spilled gruel.

All thumbs down.

92 posted on 03/21/2005 8:30:51 AM PST by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: robertpaulsen

What evidence is there that Terri wants to be starved to death or ever clearly expressed a desire to be starved to death if she were in her current state?


93 posted on 03/21/2005 8:32:13 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: chimera
Well put. When human beings are guided by subjective feelings, they can rationalize evil as acting on what they think is best at a given moment in time. If people are guided by objective values, that eternal sense of right and wrong will always make them oppose that which is wrong and lend their support to that which is right. Liberals operate largely on feelings. Conservatives mostly operate on the basis of values. That explains why Congress seemingly disregarded public opinion on the subject. The media, which has played up feelings has ignored and dismissed the larger role of values in how people see social issues in this country.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
94 posted on 03/21/2005 8:32:30 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop; Long Cut; Poohbah

Yeah... and in case you haven't noticed, at least one P-3 squadron is having a hard time getting the parts it needs to get its aircraft ready for deployment.

When the folks defending this country are having trouble getting spare parts for their planes, something is screwed up.


95 posted on 03/21/2005 8:36:31 AM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: CSM; Puppage

"even thought there's NO written, or video taped wish on Teri's part, so LET'S JUST ERR ON THE SIDE OF DEATH."

I'm in agreement with you on this particular point, and I think it is the only point that should be considered.




Close as they can get with guards on duty.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1365786/posts

Posted on 03/18/2005 5:55:38 PM EST by spycatcher

A mentally disabled woman whose court ordered starvation-execution began Friday attempted to contradict her estranged husband's claim that she wants to die hours before her feeding tube was disconnected, an eyewitness is claiming.

Barbara Weller, an attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents, told reporters Friday afternoon that during her visit earlier in the day she told Ms. Schiavo:

"Terri, if you would just say, 'I want to live,' - all of this will be over."

According to pro-life activist Randall Terry, who recounted the scene to radio host Sean Hannity, Schiavo tried desperately to repeat Weller's words.

"'I waaaaannt . . .' Schiavo allegedly said, in a prolonged yell that had police stationed nearby running into her hospice room.

"She just started yelling, 'I waaaannt, I waaaannt,'" Terry said, according to Weller's account.

At that point police ejected Weller, he said.


96 posted on 03/21/2005 8:38:23 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Long Cut

All of my neighbors but two are upset about this and I just got back from the gym and Mr. Peach and I got in a discussion with another guy and he and his wife are upset as well.

Now a friend from CT just called and she's not pleased and I haven't even opened my e-mail yet.

Most of these people haven't spoken specifically about the Terri Schiavo case and how they feel about her but rather the broader implications for how this will affect family and hospital decisions that are made thousands of times a day across the country.


97 posted on 03/21/2005 8:42:47 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: TexasRainmaker
DNC Talking Points. I never watch ABC so I could care less what their pollsters' view of public opinion is. Just a lot of special sauce tossed into bolster the party line about Terri Schiavo's fate. You don't get to hear the other side of the story from them.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
98 posted on 03/21/2005 8:43:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: hchutch
Hmmm.... and who hollowed out the military? Americans are carefully shielded from knowledge of the true suspects. Nothing new here. Just blatant bias.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
99 posted on 03/21/2005 8:45:41 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dog Gone

The Nazis never had so much success with the German public.


100 posted on 03/21/2005 8:47:30 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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