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Bush decries border project
Washington Times ^ | March 24, 2005 | James G. Lakely

Posted on 03/24/2005 7:52:05 AM PST by mikemikemikecubed

Edited on 03/24/2005 5:24:25 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

WACO, Texas -- President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes." He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law. More than 1,000 people -- including 30 pilots and their private planes -- have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol. Mr. Bush said after yesterday's continental summit, with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University, that he finds such actions unacceptable. "I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America," Mr. Bush said at a joint press conference. "I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way." The Minuteman Project was born out of a long-held perception among many residents that more Border Patrol agents are needed to handle the flow of illegal immigrants. Mr. Bush was criticized by both Republicans and Democrats earlier this month for failing to add 2,000 agents to the Border Patrol, as set out in the intelligence overhaul legislation he signed in December. The president's 2006 budget allows enough money to add only 210 agents for the U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico. Mr. Bush said he will "continue to push for reasonable, common-sense immigration policy." He has proposed legislation to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens already in the United States. The legislation has attracted scant support in Congress, where it is widely regarded as another amnesty that will encourage even more illegal immigration.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpatrol; bordersecurity; bush; bush43; bushdoctrineunfold; buttboyjorgearbusto; donutwatch; fox; gop; govwatch; immigration; jamesglakely; minutemanproject; paragraphsrfriends; rnc
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To: ScudBud
What these Americans are doing is simply OBSERVING the migration of illegals over a one month period to then inform our government of what they saw. No one will be armed

Actually the Minuteman project is neutral on the issue of the participants carrying arms for self-defense purposes. Carry laws of Arizona will apply. No weapons will be permitted in National Parks in the area. I read on an related site that long arms will not be allowed by the Minuteman Project but I have yet to see that on the official site.

Seeing as how a high-ranking member of the violent Salvadorian gang Mira Salvatruchas, a gang responsible for most of the drug trafficking and violence along the border and within both the US and Mexico, has issued an order to "teach the Minutemen vigilantes a lesson they will never forget." If I participate as planned I won't be caught unprepared to defend myself...

I think that for the credibility of the protest, because that is what the Minuteman Project is about, the participants should be upstanding citizens and respected members of the community. As many retired police officers and military personnel are now amongst their ranks this already appears to be the case.

451 posted on 03/24/2005 6:28:24 PM PST by NRA Patriot 1976 (God bless our troops)
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To: Serenissima Venezia
Instead of calling them vigilantes, I prefer to call them undocumented border control agents.

While the liberals brand them vigilantes and thugs (and just barely stop short of calling them terrorists), let's call them what they really are - Patriots.

I have a feeling quite a few of us have donated money to them. If you are an attorney, they could use those services as much, or more.

Great quote at the top of their page:

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." 
      --Samuel Adams
452 posted on 03/24/2005 8:38:59 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: spodefly; Marine Inspector

What happened to reply 406 etc?


453 posted on 03/24/2005 9:36:28 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

I think some of the flamier comments got sent to the great bit bucket in the sky. I just glad the whole thread wasn't permanently axed. Thanks Mods and JR.


454 posted on 03/24/2005 9:43:49 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: chicagolady

Congratulations - you have the support of millions.
Unfortunately, we're all on the border no matter where
we are. LaRaza and various immigration lobby groups are
talking about the "reconquista" - reversing the results
of the Mexican War and reclaiming that territory. And
right now they're succeeding thanks to Bush and a political
establishment that has already surrendered. It's up to
all patriotic Americans, like you,to say ENOUGH!


455 posted on 03/24/2005 9:44:06 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: spodefly

Yep, it's a good sign. Any rational person studying the comments on this thread would say "WOW! These people are ANGRY!" To fall for the flame war incitement of the 1% who are race baiters would be stupid. That trick has worked on FR in the past, to the detriment of honest discussion. This subject is too damn serious to allow a few jerks to get these threads pulled with their worn out tricks.


456 posted on 03/24/2005 9:57:55 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

I had just written a post to Czar and CJ, asking for peace and love and harmony and a group hug, and just generally trying to be an ambassador of good will, etc., when the thread got nuked. I hit post and got the light blue screen of doom.

We have to be quick(er) to warn people not to take the bait. I still snipe the occasional post. I did on this thread to COEXERJ145 early on in the thread. That's OK, I suppose ... I think the mods nuke the threads when it turns into a running gun battle as happened after post 400.


457 posted on 03/24/2005 10:08:10 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly

I try to remind folks that the goal of the flame war inciters and race baiters is simply to get uncomfortable (for the OBL) threads nuked to oblivion.


458 posted on 03/24/2005 10:11:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: mikemikemikecubed

I got a new tagline


459 posted on 03/25/2005 1:44:38 AM PST by Once-Ler (I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America)
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To: Once-Ler
I got a new tagline

Oh, how great for you.

460 posted on 03/25/2005 4:08:23 AM PST by raybbr
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To: mikemikemikecubed
We're back...:~)

sw

461 posted on 03/25/2005 4:21:22 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: mikemikemikecubed

Stupid move Mr President. Get a new researcher on this - these people are not vigillantes, they are only their to "spot" illegal immigrants for the authorities.

BUSH STAFFER PING. This is his weakest point. He promised to up border security - the citizens wouldn't be down there if the Feds were taking care of business.

If AQ slips through Mexico and launches a successful attack, there will be hell to pay.


462 posted on 03/25/2005 6:06:29 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: ManHunter

Has anyone studied Congress' stance on the border? Don't we need to give up on Bush and throw this in Congress?


464 posted on 03/25/2005 6:26:22 AM PST by daybreakcoming ("Courage is being scared to death -- and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne)
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To: DTogo
President Bush should be mindful of what's going on in Kyrgyzstan.

Oh God, don't tell me there all coming too !

465 posted on 03/25/2005 6:39:40 AM PST by Wil H
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To: daybreakcoming

>>Don't we need to give up on Bush and throw this in Congress?<<

Start with Congress, then the Senate, the go local in your state all the way down to your Mayor. Let them all know that re-election depends on their actions. Ignore the illegal aliens and you will fight to keep them from regaining office. Tell them it is decision time, Americans who vote legally or illegal aliens who drain the budget!


466 posted on 03/25/2005 7:05:26 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: B4Ranch
The company I work for has just secured a large subcontract from a prominent college for a portion of a multi-million dollar expansion. One provision in the new contract was all subs are required to have a Spanish-speaking person employed on the project. Believe it or not, the contract says "MEXICAN", and you can believe I've informed those who are responsible for hiring, whoever they place there had best be LEGAL.

This requirement supposedly all stemmed from a lawsuit because during an earlier project, an ILLEGAL MEXICAN hired by a cheat sub was crushed and died. They claimed, because no one could speak his language, he wasn't given immediate emergency medical care, never mind he wasn't legally to have been on the site at all.
467 posted on 03/25/2005 7:21:56 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: NRA1995
Mr. President, these are people who are just doing the jobs government doesn't want.

I love this response. And yes, it seems government most definitely doesn't want to guard the border (Border Partol, Tom Tancredo's Team America, and my Rep. Peter DeFazio excepted).

468 posted on 03/25/2005 7:25:17 AM PST by shebacal
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To: mikeus_maximus
"I am for enforcing the law in a rational way."

I hate to break it to you, but GWB is showing signs of being a politician. His lips are moving...

469 posted on 03/25/2005 7:33:17 AM PST by Paul Ross ("Nothing that is morally wrong can be politically right." -William Gladstone)
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To: cyborg

>>You may have heard the story about Fox wanting to dissolve the border and make it 'North America' instead of 'United States of America'. It's a bananas idea.<<

No, it is not a bananas idea. This is the United Nations idea for a New World Order. Divide the world into (regions)continents, place "UN-ELECTED ministers" into the positions of authority where they will decide who does what. Want to build a dam for hydro-electric power? You will need the Minister of World Electric Powers permission.

Of course it will have to go through 15 different 'Comittees' first to make sure that you aren't going to interfere with the plans the Minister of World Waterways, the Minister of World Fisheries, on and on has for our continent.

They are the ones who will decide if the Minister of Heavy Construction for 'North America' should issues a permit or if the task will be placed on the shoulders of the Minister for Nuclear Power.

Keep in mind these UN-ELECTED people will have total control. Don't like their propositions? Take it to the World Court for a final decision.

Here's a few that you may already be familiar with.

GATT, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
NAFTA, The North American Free Trade Agreement
ONIA, Office of NAFTA and Inter-American Affairs International Trade Administration
NACEC, North American Commission for Environmental Cooperation
JPAC, Joint Public Advisory Committee

These are the type of people President Bush is cheering for. The globalists will soon be in control, voting won't be necessary because the "Ministers" will make the major decisions for each continent.


470 posted on 03/25/2005 7:50:38 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: mikemikemikecubed

I agree bump


471 posted on 03/25/2005 8:27:21 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: Czar
Of course you are prepared to get back WH Form Letter Reply 22-B which will tell you how seriously the President regards the illegal alien (or "undocumented immigrant" in PC-speak) problem, that his guest worker proposal is designed to get it under control, and that he doesn't believe in amnesty...

I have a folder FULL of those form letters which are nothing but lies.

472 posted on 03/25/2005 8:53:53 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: Paul Ross

you're preaching to the choir...


473 posted on 03/25/2005 9:30:03 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: Once-Ler
I got a new tagline

I noticed. Do you consider the folks who listened to President Bush and set up neighborhood watches after 9-11 to be vigilantes?

474 posted on 03/25/2005 10:13:52 AM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: nikola
Don't sit out the '08 election PLEASE...there ARE other limited government/pro-Constitution parties on the political Right that deserve your--& EVERYONE ELSE'S--support. Let's show the weenie GOP that we mean business by doing THAT instead.
475 posted on 03/25/2005 10:40:08 AM PST by libertyman (It's time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!!!)
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To: janetgreen

Ain't it the truth. The last one I got from the White House was signed by a WH aide and included a color photo of Bush. The reply letter, of course, contained the usual mindless boilerplate, which fools nobody. The replies I get from our two "Senators" (Babs & DiFi) are even worse--a pile of useless liberal babble.


476 posted on 03/25/2005 12:34:04 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: janetgreen
nothing but lies.= the Emperor wears no clothes...
477 posted on 03/25/2005 12:59:38 PM PST by La Enchiladita ("I try to speak for those who have no voice. Terri Schiavo has no voice." - Patricia Heaton)
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To: Czar
Babs Boxer won't even answer me anymore, and I'm in her district!! Jane Harman (my district) is just as bad.

I never thought I would see the day that a Republican President stood for everything the Democrats did...

478 posted on 03/25/2005 1:02:37 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
You're right about Harman. Dedicated Rat but, to be fair (which I hardly ever am in respect of left wing trash), she did a good job for us back when we needed some Washington clout to keep the B-1 program going.

My guy in the House is Chris Cox, a very good man. He's been with us on just about all of the immigration/illegals issues other than a brief lapse when he voted "Yes" on that Section 245(i) amnesty pushed by the White House (as usual). He really heard from all of us on that one. Good record since then and a good report card.

479 posted on 03/25/2005 1:29:16 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: mdittmar

Yep, get asked a loaded question, give a politicaly neutral answer, and watch the LIBERAL PRESS run with it to stir up the pot.

If the Minuteman Project was about HUNTING migrant people, who here would support it. Hunting, conotates killing.

And who here is for taking the law into your own hands?

Isn't someone who takes the law into their own hands, defacto a vigilante?

Is that the description of what the Minuteman Project is?


480 posted on 03/25/2005 1:35:41 PM PST by Keith_Yorktown
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To: mikeus_maximus

We need to now rub this particular exchange by GWB under the nose of every single BushBot on F.R. Until they finally yelp uncle....if EVERYBODY on this board gets on the same page...even Karl Rove would get a bit concerned at the reverberations we can create in the cyber ether...


481 posted on 03/25/2005 2:00:24 PM PST by Paul Ross ("Nothing that is morally wrong can be politically right." -William Gladstone)
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To: Keith_Yorktown
Yep, get asked a loaded question, give a politicaly neutral answer, and watch the LIBERAL PRESS run with it to stir up the pot.

First of all The Washington Times is not the liberal press. It's Washington's conservative newspaper, and oridnarily is a strong supporter of the President, at least when it comes to just about anything other than immigration policy (much like a great many conservatives throughout the country). The liberal press has been ignoring this story, as far as I've been able to tell from searching the net, anyway. If you know of an LSM organ that has picked up on this, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Secondly, he didn't have to give a neutral answer. The reporter's "question" was pure slander against the American people, and Bush failed to even attempt to stand up for us. It'd be like a reporter asking him how he felt about Republicans literally sniping (like, with guns) at Democrats going about their business, and he responding simply that he's opposed to such a thing. Obviously a response like that would give credence to such completely baseless charges.

482 posted on 03/25/2005 2:48:22 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: libertyman

2008 is too far away for me to say exactly what I'll do. You're right, there are other parties worth of our support. If things continue along this globalization path, I will not support the GOP since they don't represent conservative values anymore.


BTW, someone messaged me a link to this video: http://www.stoptheftaa.org take a look. Makes sense to me. Video is here: http://www.stoptheftaa.org/av/vaed.html "America's Economic Decline" by John Birch Society and New American magazine (true conservative magazine, not neocon).


483 posted on 03/25/2005 3:14:45 PM PST by nikola (I've donated. Have you? Boycott GOP. http://www.minutemanproject.com/Donations.html)
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To: HiJinx
Did we win this thread at least?

Stop the open borders death cult!

484 posted on 03/25/2005 3:16:54 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: nikola
http://www.stoptheftaa.org

I recommend this site for everyone to read (and sign the petition there). Thanks for posting it.

485 posted on 03/25/2005 4:58:25 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: jackbenimble

Speaking of cheap labor....

'Worker pleads guilty to shooting boss to death'

An illegal immigrant who killed his boss last year over a wage dispute in Utah County pleaded guilty Wednesday to first-degree felony murder. Jesus Hernandez admitted shooting 38-year-old masonry contractor Joseph Crummy at a Lehi subdivision on Jan. 9, 2004. The 33-year-old Mexican national faces up to life in prison when he is sentenced May 3 by 4th District Judge Samuel McVey. In exchange for Hernandez's plea to murder, prosecutors dismissed felony charges of obstructing justice and possession of a gun by a restricted person. Hernandez resorted to murder because Crummy wrote paychecks that bounced and the Utah Labor Commission was deaf to the defendant's complaints, according to testimony at a June 2004 preliminary hearing. A month before the shooting, Hernandez told state labor officials that Crummy's company, Prestige Exteriors, owed him $1,345. A dozen other workers had also received paychecks from Crummy that bounced, according to testimony.
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2619986


486 posted on 03/25/2005 6:50:22 PM PST by red state girl
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To: raybbr

Good post - explains why Fox always emerges from Bush Jr. meetings with heavy eyelids and smoking a cigarette.


487 posted on 03/25/2005 11:40:53 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: red state girl
Speaking of cheap labor....

'Worker pleads guilty to shooting boss to death'

The employers who hire illegals are absolutely lawless. They like to say that they are just responding to 'economic realities' and the 'laws of supply and demand' but they are just criminals who are scoffing at Democratically passed laws and making essentially the same arguments as drug dealers to justify their illegal behavior. While a few are probably duped by the fake documents the vast majority are complicit in the crime and about half are further engaging in tax evasion and the underground cash economy. The employers are criminals and I want them to pay their debt to society. My preference is prison but I'd settle for large fines.

Frankly I've never had much sympathy for a criminal that becomes a victim of his own crime.

488 posted on 03/26/2005 5:34:34 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: jackbenimble
'economic realities'

What about Constitutional Realities? These people are invading out country and our government refuses to protect this nation. Isn't that a Constitutional Crisis? I guess nobody cares anymore. We must accept them the same way that we've been held by the liberal courts to accept the queer, the gender challenged, I'm sorry for that slip.
489 posted on 03/26/2005 5:41:54 AM PST by mict42
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To: mikemikemikecubed
President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes." He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.

Excuse me, Mr. President. Didn't you swear on the Bible to uphold the laws of America, so help you God???

He is allowing us to be invaded by another country, ILLEGALLY! This is TREASON!!!! It's time to call for his resignation, or impeachment!!

490 posted on 03/26/2005 8:32:02 AM PST by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: yellowdoghunter

It amazes me that we send soldiers to countries where they have been invaded, well, aren't we being invaded? Where are the soldiers?


491 posted on 03/26/2005 8:40:09 AM PST by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (I have left this blank for a reason....)
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To: sarasota
Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control?

I lived in Texas for many years. It appeared that the typical Texan was blind to this issue. The illegals did a lot of work that kept prices artificially low for the Texas consumer. For instance, at new housing projects, a construction crew would consist of one Spanish speaking Caucasian, and the remainder were illegals getting $5 an hour under the table. My wife worked at a hospital, and when an illegal construction worker came in, they'd ask, "Who do you work for?" They always replied, "I don't know." So, 5 bucks an hour, no benefits, no workers comp costs. You can see why the folks who use or benefit these people aren't speaking up. The illegals are making a lot of people rich, and keeping prices low.

492 posted on 03/26/2005 8:41:46 AM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: mikemikemikecubed

It seems our elected people are interested in power and not the people, It dosn't matter which party is in power they will sell out to people like Fox. If we wish to protect our way of life we will have to do it while we are allowed to.


493 posted on 03/26/2005 9:31:16 AM PST by Ibredd
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To: Stu Cohen; yellowdoghunter
At this juncture, I had no respect left to lose for Bush, Rove, Patacki or their buddy Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I'd like to see them all tossed in with the next planeload of deportees and dumped somewhere in the interior of Mexico far away from the U.S. border.

Toss, throw and vote out the sellouts!

Not necessarily in that order. ;^)

494 posted on 03/26/2005 3:52:29 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!>)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Mr. President, We are not going to take this anymore, We've had enough. This is the straw that breaks the camels back. We cringe when we hear about the 2.7+ Trillion dollar budget, the 600+ Billion dollar Medicare plan, your support of NAFTA, FTAA, GATT, WTO. Not wanting to face up to the fact we have been deceived we convinced ourselves "you had to compromise". Well sir, NO MORE. WE THE PEOPLE ARE DONE, FINISHED. YOU SIR ARE THE "VIGILANTE". NOW IS THE TIME WE THE PEOPLE "ENFORCE THE LAW IN A REASONABLE WAY". BY RESTORING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC AND OUR BILL OF RIGHTS WHICH YOU SWORE ON THE HOLY BIBLE TO UPHOLD.
496 posted on 03/26/2005 11:24:42 PM PST by GodGivenRights (EX-Republican)
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To: mikemikemikecubed

Once again, President George W. Bush ASSUMES THE POSITION for Vincente Fox on U.S. border security!


497 posted on 03/27/2005 1:18:02 AM PST by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: sarasota

"Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control?"

It's very simple. If you want to engage in Wilsonian military crusades and buy votes with expanded entitlement programs, but you don't want to raise taxes, then you have to enlarge the tax base.

Are you just now finding this out?


498 posted on 03/28/2005 6:01:22 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: SteamshipTime

I'm afraid so. And I am more than a little discouraged.


499 posted on 03/28/2005 6:03:11 AM PST by sarasota
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To: mikemikemikecubed

bump


500 posted on 03/28/2005 7:20:33 AM PST by Lady Eileen (Where there is Life there is Hope -- TERRI.)
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