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U.S. Navy warship visits Vietnam
Associated Press ^ | Mar. 29, 2005 | MARGIE MASON

Posted on 03/29/2005 7:04:21 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

HO CHI MINH CITY, Vietnam - An American warship made a rare visit to Vietnam on Tuesday, a sign the two countries are looking to improve military ties 30 years after the Vietnam War.

Sailors dressed in white lined the decks of the USS Gary as the frigate docked in Saigon Port, where it is to remain for five days. The warship was just the third Navy vessel to make a port call in the communist country since the war ended on April 30, 1975.

The Stars and Stripes flew alongside the Vietnamese flag as the ship eased up the muddy Saigon River. Many of the more than 200 sailors aboard snapped pictures or videotaped its arrival.

Most were too young to remember when Ho Chi Minh City was called Saigon, but U.S. Lt. Cmdr. Quoc Bao Tran remembers fleeing the country by boat when he was 7, just before South Vietnam fell to the communist North. This was his first trip back.

"I'm overwhelmed, overjoyed and of course excited," he said. "I'm looking forward to seeing the place where I was born."

The visit marked the 10th anniversary of the normalization of diplomatic relations. More importantly, it signaled a warmup in military relations between the former foes, officials in both countries said.

The two sides signed a landmark bilateral trade agreement in 2001, and business has exploded in recent years. But work in the sensitive area of military cooperation has only just begun.

As the United States and Vietnam find common ground on issues of counterterrorism and regional stability, future military ties will likely include more ship visits and high-level exchanges such as Vietnamese Defense Minister Pham Van Tra's historic trip to Washington in 2003.

"The most important thing for both of our nations and peoples to do is to continue to look forward, not backward," U.S. Ambassador Michael Marine said.

Some in Vietnam believe the U.S. military may be looking to their country as a future strategic area to establish a base to counter growing Chinese influence in Southeast Asia. But Marine said that was not the case.

A Vietnamese military official said the visit showed how far the two countries have come in the past 30 years. Col. Bui Van Nga, the highest-ranking Vietnamese navy officer to greet the ship, said he remembers when the two countries were enemies. "Now we must put aside the past, and I think we should look forward to the future."

The USS Gary is attached to the Seventh Fleet based in Japan. Two other ships in the fleet, the USS Vandegrift and USS Curtis Wilbur, made port calls to Ho Chi Minh City and Danang in 2003 and 2004, respectively.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: portcall; sailors; usn; ussgary; vietnam

1 posted on 03/29/2005 7:04:22 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Some in Vietnam believe the U.S. military may be looking to their country as a future strategic area to establish a base to counter growing Chinese influence in Southeast Asia. But Marine said that was not the case.

Gee, ya think?

2 posted on 03/29/2005 7:06:24 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

Let the commies starve to death first, then go in and set up shop. Let Hanoi John be the representative to the North.


3 posted on 03/29/2005 7:09:34 AM PST by confederate66
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Perhaps we could give them Jane Fonda as a gesture of good will? They could bronze her and use her as a Statue of Liberty, or whatever.


4 posted on 03/29/2005 7:11:29 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Rummyfan

Seems pretty obvious. But we know the real reason, right??? OIL! Haliburton's greasy hands are all over this./sarcasm


5 posted on 03/29/2005 7:12:01 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Actually, there may be oil in the South China Sea..... Vietnam and the Chinese and the Phillipines are having some friction over that.


6 posted on 03/29/2005 7:14:13 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Until the Vietnamese Commies account for the thousands of American MIA & POW's I couldn't care less what is done over there.

Of course Ford Motor Company, for one, has no problem doing business with the Commies. Heck, Ford proudly flies the Vietnamese Communist flag at corporate headquarters in Michigan.
As far as Ford is concerned, to hell with the thousands of unaccounted for American POW's & MIA's and their families!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


7 posted on 03/29/2005 7:14:45 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

They've had their revolution. Let them enjoy it.


8 posted on 03/29/2005 7:17:39 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Rummyfan

"Some in Vietnam believe the U.S. military may be looking to their country as a future strategic area to establish a base to counter growing Chinese influence in Southeast Asia."

This makes sense. It also makes me get over my desire that some sailor slip up and accidently fire a couple of 500pounders into the city for old times sake.


9 posted on 03/29/2005 7:25:37 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: Rummyfan

Of course. That's why I mentioned it.


10 posted on 03/29/2005 7:26:04 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Evidently you don't give a damn about the men who went over there and fought for your country...or their families.

BUT I DO!


11 posted on 03/29/2005 7:26:38 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: confederate66

Vietnam is communist in name only, its one of the most capitalistic places I've ever been, and they have a booming economy. I hope to go back soon, its a great place.


12 posted on 03/29/2005 7:26:55 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: Rummyfan
They're having a dispute over two groups of islands, the Spratleys (?) and one other. The Chinese have apparently fortified parts of one of the groups. Evidence is there's oil in the seabed. Plus, it's a strategic location along the sea lanes.
13 posted on 03/29/2005 7:27:00 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Brilliant
You are correct. Bush allows our warships to visit communist dictatorships such as Viet Nam and China but won't allow our navy to pay a visit to the democracy of Taiwan.
14 posted on 03/29/2005 7:28:23 AM PST by Goldwater4ever (Aut Pax Aut Bellum)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why would we go to a country that is awash in bird flu??


15 posted on 03/29/2005 7:31:49 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: confederate66
Let the commies starve to death first...

That ain't gonna happen anytime soon as long as we keep buying all of those Chinese products.
16 posted on 03/29/2005 7:47:23 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Revolution? In 2000, Vietnam, textile-industry wages were 22 cents an hour. A Communist country in which the means of production and the system of exchange was seized by a revolutionary party in the name of equality. Just a generation later, the children of those Leninist guerillas in Vietnam are making handsome profits from sweatshop labor. Comparing the average wages of textile workers in Viet Nam with those in Taiwan ($4.78) or Hong Kong ($4.62) provides a sense of reality. Revolution? yea right...
17 posted on 03/29/2005 7:52:30 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: YOUGOTIT

I don't like it, but then, who am I? IMHO, we should completely ignore them and let them rot. In their last death throes, we should then ask them if they want democracy. When that is established, we help them. We can't forget the price we paid--oh, I forgot, our own media and Fondas and Kerrys caused us to lose Vietnam. Who will punish these?


18 posted on 03/29/2005 7:55:17 AM PST by dimmer-rats stealvotes
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To: kellynla

You've read too much into what I said.


19 posted on 03/29/2005 7:57:04 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Central Scrutiniser

"Vietnam is communist in name only, its one of the most capitalistic places I've ever been, and they have a booming economy. I hope to go back soon, its a great place."

My cousin just came back from a hunting expedition there and liked it very well. He was particularly impressed with the women being single and all.


20 posted on 03/29/2005 8:04:30 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Yea, well you and the rest of the geniuses who like what's going on in Viet Nam need to educate yourself on reality and find your sense of patriotism! That is, if you ever had any! Men died and all you clowns seem to be concerned about is the almighty dollar! And how much Nike, Reebok and Ford can profit from Vietnamese sweatshops. And to hell with the dead and missing American veterans and their families!

Revolution? revolution my arse...all that is happening is that the Commies in China & Viet Nam are profiting from sweat shops. People who are supporting the Commies by purchasing their products are doing nothing but enabling them to purchase and manufacture arms to bury the free world!

and you want to "let them enjoy their revolution?"
your ignorance would be laughable if it weren't so pitiful!
21 posted on 03/29/2005 8:17:42 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Give me a f'in break.


22 posted on 03/29/2005 8:18:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
educate yourself, then I'll "give you a f'in break"

if you saw as many dead Marines as I have, you wouldn't be so cavalier about Communist Viet Nam!
23 posted on 03/29/2005 8:23:07 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Give me a f'in break.

Classy reply. He's right - though on the arms bit, it's to opressively control their people and neighbors right now. Given the chance, the'll get to the rest of us later.

People need to break out of their price obsession and take a look at what they are supporting with their purchases. It's like an established company with idiot managers, who buy critical elements from upstart competitors rather develop things on their own. In the short term they're covered, but they're sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

(And that's not even looking at the fact that the Vietnamese communists didn't want to help us with our dead and MIA. They tried to extort money from us to do this, and we refused.)

24 posted on 03/29/2005 8:27:53 AM PST by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Should have done this in the 60's for their signing of the Articles of SURRENDER!!!


25 posted on 03/29/2005 8:28:35 AM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: dljordan
Why would anyone go to a Communist country? You must be from the left-wing Democrats love your enemy camp.
26 posted on 03/29/2005 8:40:39 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: Yossarian

I said nothing of the kind. My comment meant only that the Viet Namese government deserves no support from the US. Nothing more. Anyone on these pages should know how I feel about Communists and their detestable cohorts in VN, Laos, Cambot and Burma. I was there in the 1950s, so no one needs to tell me what happened to these people.


27 posted on 03/29/2005 8:42:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: YOUGOTIT

"Why would anyone go to a Communist country? You must be from the left-wing Democrats love your enemy camp."

WTF are you talking about? How the hell does my cousin going on a hunting trip to Vietnam make me a left-wing democrat you idiot?


28 posted on 03/29/2005 8:47:23 AM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan

You are the IDIOT. A lot of my friends died for the freedom of that country which was denied by left-wing fascist demcorats.


29 posted on 03/29/2005 8:53:29 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: dljordan

I plan a return trip, hopefully we will open relations a bit more, you have to get a visa to travel there via mail, in Cambodia and Laos, you can get it on the border.

I went to the only fast food resturant in Saigon, a KFC, when it was built, someone made the mistake of saying to a Vietnamese government official (the last of the commies) that Colonel Sanders looked a bit like Uncle Ho, he was angrily rebutted "Ho Chi Minh was a General! This man was just a Colonel!"


30 posted on 03/29/2005 9:21:13 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: YOUGOTIT

I went there to scuba dive, and visit some historical sites from the war, I met dozens of vets who were going back, every one of them said they were treated extremely well, with dignity and respect.

Its a fascinating place.


31 posted on 03/29/2005 9:25:43 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: YOUGOTIT

"You are the IDIOT. A lot of my friends died for the freedom of that country which was denied by left-wing fascist demcorats."

I'm sorry about your friends but so did a lot of mine and I actually served in the military at that time. I don't know what that's got to do with my cousin. I think you need to get some help with you guilt and anger problems.


32 posted on 03/29/2005 10:02:02 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Central Scrutiniser

"I went to the only fast food resturant in Saigon, a KFC, when it was built, someone made the mistake of saying to a Vietnamese government official (the last of the commies) that Colonel Sanders looked a bit like Uncle Ho, he was angrily rebutted "Ho Chi Minh was a General! This man was just a Colonel!""

That's a hoot!


33 posted on 03/29/2005 10:02:55 AM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan

What sort of game animals did he hunt for? Most of the Tigers/Elephants had been killed off. I hope to hell he shot a few rock apes. I hated those little bastards!


34 posted on 03/29/2005 10:07:59 AM PST by donozark (ATTENTION MICHAEL MOORE:Please go to the courtesy desk. The forklift you requested is ready!)
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To: Brilliant
But we know the real reason, right???

COFFEE. Vietnam is kicking the pants off of Brazil and Colombia in sales of coffee.

35 posted on 03/29/2005 10:08:06 AM PST by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
When we dock a few ships at Cam Ranh Bay, then we will know that America has "returned" to VN. One of the best natural harbors in the world. Key to protecting the Straits of Malaaca, through which, approx. 40% of world's oil and goods travels.

Alternatively, the planning for a canal through Thailand continues...

36 posted on 03/29/2005 10:12:29 AM PST by donozark (ATTENTION MICHAEL MOORE:Please go to the courtesy desk. The forklift you requested is ready!)
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To: donozark

"What sort of game animals did he hunt for? Most of the Tigers/Elephants had been killed off. I hope to hell he shot a few rock apes. I hated those little bastards!"

That's funny about the Rock Apes. I had a high school friend over there in the Marines stationed in Quang Tri province that told me stories about how much he hated the Rock Apes and used to fire at them with his M-79. He said the things would make lots of noise at night and they thought the VC were coming through the perimeter.

My cousin was invited (all expenses paid) by one of his Deer hunting clients to hunt Deer. Mostly he talked about the Tiger he saw and all the damned snakes.


37 posted on 03/29/2005 10:25:45 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Where'd you dive? I'd be interested in the details.


38 posted on 03/29/2005 12:39:55 PM PST by Tallguy
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