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Gonzales Goes Missing
American Spectator ^ | 03/28/05 | The Prowler

Posted on 03/29/2005 3:30:56 PM PST by ninenot

The White House was "troubled," according to one source, about the reported actions -- or inactions -- of the Justice Department last week as Republicans in Congress made a last ditch attempt to rescue Terri Schiavo.

"You actually had Arlen Specter and his Judiciary Committee out there trying to save this woman's life, and then you have Alberto Gonzales and his crew over at Justice basically putting up roadblocks," says a White House staffer. "This was not a good way for Gonzales to start his tenure there."

Gonzales has been on the job at Justice for a little over two months now, and the congressional attempts to restore the feeding tube to Schiavo was the new AG's first high-profile foray into the politics that swirl around the Justice Department.

By most accounts, Gonzales and his team fared poorly, at least from Republican viewpoints. "Instead of trying to work with us, all we got were no's and roadblocks, with little guidance on what we could do and could not do," says a House leadership staffer who spoke often with the Justice Department's Legislative Affairs office. "They weren't being helpful, and they sure weren't doing the White House any favors."

Ultimately, both the House and the Senate passed -- and President Bush signed -- legislation designed to give Schiavo's parents their best shot at having a federal court overrule the rulings of Florida state courts. Those federal filings ultimately failed.

Before the legislation, the Senate Judiciary Committee -- with Specter's approval -- and House Republicans attempted to subpoena Terri Schiavo, a political maneuver that won plaudits from a number of conservative groups around the country, but which received a thumbs-down the Department of Justice. "The Justice Department pushed us hard to withdraw the subpoena idea," says the House staffer. "We told them that the White House knew about this, and that they tacitly approved. It didn't seem to matter to DOJ. Gonzales and his folks just made things harder for us."

"If the White House was hoping that Gonzales might be able to burnish his image for conservatives leading up to a Supreme Court nomination, the Schiavo case tarnished it pretty badly," says a staffer for a Senator who was pushing hard for the subpoena solution. "I'll say this, every conservative up here was wishing [former Attorney General John] Ashcroft was still there."

To be fair to Gonzalez, Ashcroft's presence at Justice probably would not have made much difference. Ashcroft was excoriated by conservatives on his leaving office for what they said were his failures to press for tough stands against pornography, human trafficking and abortion rights, while not pressing hard enough for faith-based programs.

Another Senate staffer says her impression of the Justice Department's role in the Schiavo case is more benign. "They were giving us straight legal analysis from the federal perspective, nothing more, which is probably what has a lot of people up in arms, and it was all behind the scenes. These folks wanted Gonzales out front, making it appear this was an issue he cared about. That didn't happen," says the staffer. "But I don't think anyone can dispute that the legal advice they gave us wasn't sound. They just didn't help us get to where we wanted to be."

And for failing to do that, many Republicans in the House and the Senate say that Gonzales has failed the first litmus test on the conservative scorecard.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; bush; conservatives; doj; gonzales; laraza; letitrest; mexican; nothisfight; nothisjurisdication; racistcomments; schiavo; senate; specter; subpoenas; terrimania; whitehouse; whitepower
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1 posted on 03/29/2005 3:30:57 PM PST by ninenot
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To: ninenot

Gonzales putting up roadblocks to save Terri!

Surprise, surprise, surprise!!! (not)


2 posted on 03/29/2005 3:32:12 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Salvation; CouncilofTrent; narses; arkady_renko; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...

Most of us recall that Gonzales was no hero on the life issues during his term as a Texas judge.

Surprise! He's STILL not a hero on the life issues.


4 posted on 03/29/2005 3:32:35 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

Very interesting. An attorney general whose first priority is the law. Who'd'a thunk it?


5 posted on 03/29/2005 3:34:53 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: econ_grad
Everyone knows he's the token "Latina" Republican. I have brown hair and brown eyes, If I change my last name to Gonzalas- can I have a Bush Cabinet post too?
6 posted on 03/29/2005 3:35:40 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: econ_grad

To think that he was picked for anything other than his race is laughable.


and here I thought it was his La Raza connections. silly me.


7 posted on 03/29/2005 3:35:53 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: AntiGuv

Which law?

It's not hard to imagine a scenario in which "respect for the law" could cost you YOUR life--e.g., I certainly hope that your wife will not break any speed laws taking you to the ER with your first heart attack...

Right?


8 posted on 03/29/2005 3:36:47 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Ping!


9 posted on 03/29/2005 3:38:09 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: AntiGuv



Is that why he upheld that children do not need parental permission when obtaining abortions? Is that part of the law too? Is pulling a mentally disabled woman's feeding tube part of the law? And was it HIS job to make it that much harder for the Shiavos?


10 posted on 03/29/2005 3:38:29 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: ninenot

My last wife wouldn't even bother finding the keys to the car. That's why I divorced her.. ;^)


11 posted on 03/29/2005 3:38:51 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: LauraleeBraswell

It might be better if you were an illegal immigrant...because after all, you're "just here to work"...right?

Damn those stupid "vigilante" Minutemen...damn them to hell!!


12 posted on 03/29/2005 3:39:59 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (But, I thought liberals want to help the "little guy"?)
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To: ninenot
Yet not one of these gutless wonders accusing Gonzales was willing to be identified. What do you make of that?

This orgy of blaming Republicans for being unable to save Terri is the ultimate in political insanity.

Unfortunately, it's the routine post at FR these days.

Pathetic.

13 posted on 03/29/2005 3:40:11 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: ninenot

*SIGH* Who ever woulda thunk we'd miss Janet Reno? *SNORT*


14 posted on 03/29/2005 3:42:29 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Depends? Are you wishy-washy lacking moral backbone? If so, you should definitely send in your resume.


15 posted on 03/29/2005 3:42:59 PM PST by econ_grad
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To: ninenot

LOL


16 posted on 03/29/2005 3:43:43 PM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: ninenot
Good post NN.

I agree with you on Gonzales, he was never a stellar pro-life candidate from the get-go.

17 posted on 03/29/2005 3:44:25 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison )
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To: Dog Gone; hchutch; Long Cut
Yet not one of these gutless wonders accusing Gonzales was willing to be identified. What do you make of that?

I'm sure there are memos backing up their claims.

18 posted on 03/29/2005 3:44:35 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: Dog Gone

Let me see if I understand this correctly:

GWBush, (R) is President and CinC. He appointed his Cabinet members, including Gonzales.

The Senate Majority is led by Frist, (R)-Tn.

The House Majority is led by Hastert, (R)-Il.

The Governor of Florida is Jeb Bush, (R.)

Either the House (R), or the Senate (R), could enforce its subpoena. The President, (R), could pull a Clinton and send in US Marshalls or the whole damn USMarine Corps.

The Governor of Florida could send in State Troopers or an activated USARNG unit.

Somehow, it looks to me as though (Rs) hold ALL the friggin' cards.

But obviously, you see it differently.


19 posted on 03/29/2005 3:46:29 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: wardaddy

There are still some who "respect the law" SO much that they forget what that really means...

Or they haven't the capacity to think it through.

In either case, they are voters (shudder..)


20 posted on 03/29/2005 3:49:05 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Unlike the Democrats, the Republicans feel constrained by such things as laws and constitutions. I know that's troubling to many here, which is why we should sack the Republicans and replace with people who don't feel the same way.

Free Republic has gone to hell.

21 posted on 03/29/2005 3:50:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Bump


22 posted on 03/29/2005 3:50:41 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Dog Gone

There are First Things, and then there are civil laws and constitutions.

Under the civil laws and constitutions of the Third Reich, Hitler's actions were perfectly legal.

So were Clinton's in the Elian Gonzalez affair.

Of course, at FR, there are those who think that a life here, a life there--that's not too important vs. the image of good little Republican boys with their white and unspotted gloves...


23 posted on 03/29/2005 3:52:46 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Dog Gone
Yet not one of these gutless wonders accusing Gonzales was willing to be identified. What do you make of that?
Yep this article or such as it is is repleat with no sources with a name....

Yep this article has documentation to the hilt.....

24 posted on 03/29/2005 3:52:47 PM PST by deport (You know you are getting older when everything either dries up or leaks.)
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To: Dog Gone
Roper: So now you’d give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I’d cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you—where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country’s planted thick with laws from coast to coast—man’s laws, not God’s—and if you cut them down—and you’re just the man to do it—d’you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake.

A Man For All Seasons, by Robert Bolt

25 posted on 03/29/2005 3:53:01 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: deport

Jayson Blair just vouched for this story and the sources.


26 posted on 03/29/2005 3:53:41 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: ninenot
Well, ninenot, there have been many patriots who have died protecting our constitution and rule of law. You spit on their graves because you've adopted one case where you're willing to throw those all away.
27 posted on 03/29/2005 3:57:03 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: ninenot
The law convicted the Third Reich. Details!
28 posted on 03/29/2005 3:57:20 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: Poohbah

Good post!

Irrelevant and immaterial. More's conundrum was not related to the Life issue (except his own...) and it is clear that under the FL Constitution AND the US Constitution, either executive (or Congressional) actions can be taken.

Further, it is clear that the Fed Courts simply ignored explicit Congressional language in failing to de-novo review the case.


29 posted on 03/29/2005 3:57:31 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Poohbah

Amen to that.


30 posted on 03/29/2005 3:58:08 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Poohbah

I don't worry too much about the Spectator's sources--they have been very reliable reporters of events in DC (and Arkansas) for at least 25 years.


31 posted on 03/29/2005 3:58:29 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Dog Gone

Well, that makes a lot of sense.

Which of those patriots fought to protect legalized MURDER in the USA?

Name a few. I WILL spit on their graves.


32 posted on 03/29/2005 3:59:52 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
More's conundrum was not related to the Life issue (except his own...) and it is clear that under the FL Constitution AND the US Constitution, either executive (or Congressional) actions can be taken.

Actually, it is not clear at all.

Further, it is clear that the Fed Courts simply ignored explicit Congressional language in failing to de-novo review the case.

Please quit blaming the courts for not reaching beyond the pleading filed by Gibbs. He deliberately threw the case by not filing a review for the merits of the ruling, merely by rehashing already-settled procedural arguments.

33 posted on 03/29/2005 4:01:54 PM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: ninenot

They fought to preserve the Rule of Law, something which you for which you apparently have little respect. Nobody likes every law on the books, and we don't get it right every time, but it's the system and process that has made us the greatest and most compassionate nation on the planet.


34 posted on 03/29/2005 4:08:33 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Is that why he upheld that children do not need parental permission when obtaining abortions? Is that part of the law too? Is pulling a mentally disabled woman's feeding tube part of the law? And was it HIS job to make it that much harder for the Shiavos?

You hit the nail on the head with this post.

35 posted on 03/29/2005 4:08:44 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: ninenot
Somehow, it looks to me as though (Rs) hold ALL the friggin' cards.

Except the biggie. The activist judiciary. They will never control this because they are a bunch of weenies.

36 posted on 03/29/2005 4:11:46 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: ninenot

We should not expect the AG to be about crafting some perfect, legal excuse for protecting and preserving innocent life. It is a matter for the people and all branches of government to be about. In this case, all three branches of government have abdicated their responsibilities. So have a good many citizens.


37 posted on 03/29/2005 4:12:03 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ninenot

I reckon he's too busy going after the tobacco companies, crafting new "Assault" Weapon Ban legislation and attending La Raza meetings.


38 posted on 03/29/2005 4:13:17 PM PST by Godebert
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To: econ_grad

Beat me to it, eg.


39 posted on 03/29/2005 4:13:45 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Dog Gone

Sorry--I don't have respect for a Rule of Law which allows Murder One by a conniving judge and a craven Husband-In-Name-Only.

And your preaching ain't gonna change my attitude.


40 posted on 03/29/2005 4:14:45 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

Blindly followng any law as an end pursuit is foolish.


41 posted on 03/29/2005 4:15:07 PM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: Dog Gone
They fought to preserve the Rule of Law . . .

The "Rule of Law" does not mean squat when it fails to protect and defend innocent life. Apart from that object "Rule of Law" is "Three Empty Words."

42 posted on 03/29/2005 4:15:24 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: deport

bttt

I was just going to make the same observation.


43 posted on 03/29/2005 4:19:50 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: ninenot
And your preaching ain't gonna change my attitude.

I never expected it to. But perhaps some other people are reading this thread who aren't willing to throw it all away over one case in Florida.

44 posted on 03/29/2005 4:19:55 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Poohbah
Actually, it is not clear at all.

Actually is is clear. Congress has the authority to issue subpoenas and the executive has the authority to compel attendence. There is, so far as I know, no limit on whom Congress can subpeona because there is no authority to prevent their consideration of legislation of any kind they desire.

It is also painfully clear that neither Congress nor the Administration had the backbone to follow through because of political considerations.

Please quit blaming the courts for not reaching beyond the pleading filed by Gibbs.

Oh come on. Courts often go beyond the presented arguments for the reasoning of their decisions. I wouldn't call it routine, but it is certainly not uncommon. If ever there was a case calling for it, this was it. The courts had been directed to perform de novo review of this case WRT Terri's constitutional rights. This court showed no deference to the intent of the law whatsoever. We live in a judicial tyranny - the consent of the governed is dead.

45 posted on 03/29/2005 4:38:54 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: Dog Gone

The problem with ignoring this as just one case in Florida is with the way our legal system works. Everything is tied to precedent. This case sets a precedent that should be frightening. What if some father decides to use this case to fight to terminate the life of his retarded child?

That said, I will always wonder what would have happened if the family lawyer had filed for the de novo hearing provided for in the Federal law instead of trying to argue the case on grounds that were not covered in that law.


46 posted on 03/29/2005 4:41:16 PM PST by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: ninenot

Frankly, I think he is as bad as some of the most Liberal judges. He will not use law to help Schiavo, but he will not enforce it on immigration matters.


47 posted on 03/29/2005 4:47:01 PM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: ninenot

Sounds like AG Gonzales was the only one in the Republican ranks that believed is states' rights.

Kudos Mr. Gonzales!

Too bad you are surrounded by Republican'ts that act like Democrats.


48 posted on 03/29/2005 4:49:14 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: ninenot

He was definitely conspicuous by his absence. Too bad - I had hoped for better things from him.


49 posted on 03/29/2005 4:49:24 PM PST by livius
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Then it's a shame that he and so many others conveniently forget about individual rights.


50 posted on 03/29/2005 4:54:44 PM PST by kenth
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