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Statement by Governor Jeb Bush regarding the death of Terri Schiavo
Tampa Bay's 10 News ^ | 3/31/05 | Governor Jeb Bush

Posted on 03/31/2005 7:05:48 PM PST by wagglebee

“After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest. Columba and I offer our condolences to Mr. and Mrs. Schindler, Bobby Schindler, Suzanne Vitadamo and to all those who offered their prayers and support to Terri’s family over these past weeks, months and years. These prayers were not in vain.

“Many across our state and around the world are deeply grieved by the way Terri died. I feel that grief very sharply as well. I remain convinced, however, that Terri’s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.

“I still firmly believe that human life is a gift and a mystery, and that its mystery is most evident at its beginning and ending. May all of us whose hearts were moved during the life of Terri Schiavo grow in wisdom at its ending.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: idiotsonparade; jebbush; jebwasheshishands; pilatespeaks; pontiuspilate; schindler; terrischiavo; terrisdeath
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To: wagglebee

Jeb,

"Thanks" for doing the bare minimum to save Terri, and for handing away your powers as elected chief executive of Florida to the over-grown judiciary.

A strong example from you, asserting your legal supremacy to administer Florida government and its employees, would have set a great example. You are unlikely to have another similar chance.

Terri thanks you too, I am sure.


101 posted on 03/31/2005 8:29:35 PM PST by Tax Government (Put down the judicial insurrection. Contribute to FR.)
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To: bowzer313
The lamentable facts are that the Bush brothers, and the "Governor" in particular, just sat on their asses and let this killing of an innnocent woman occur on their watch without doing anything more than talking blathering bulls**t legalese.

You just proved my arguments.

102 posted on 03/31/2005 8:30:27 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: newfarm4000n

"thats just silly . It was wrong but not murder."

You're right; it wasn't murder; they just denied Terri food and water to the point of killing her. It wasn't starvation; they just denied Terri water and nutrients.

Just so long as it wasn't murder or starvation.

Thanks for bringing that to our attention. How SILLY of us.

For such an insightful post that summons forth a great reservoir of deep reflection, you are obviously destined to become one of the great thinkers here at FR.


103 posted on 03/31/2005 8:30:34 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: Critter

Show me one? Even the none-legal minds - our favorite radio hosts... Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc... all said he was powerless.... please..


104 posted on 03/31/2005 8:30:56 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ (NJ demorat exterminator)
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To: isthisnickcool

105 posted on 03/31/2005 8:31:57 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: GeekDejure
Get serious!!! With all the vast criminal activities underlying the brazen attempted murder of Terri (e.g., transferring her to the six month maximum hospice, a care facility for dying killing people, and then holding her there for FIVE YEARS while sticking it to Medicare for her care, is grossly illegal) !!!

You had it right except for that one minor sticking point!

107 posted on 03/31/2005 8:33:19 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: All
Stop thinking with your emotions and look at reality... REALITY!! There was a court order in place.. right or wrong it was there... Jeb would have been arrested... Even if he was arrested for a total of 1 second, his political future is dead... over...

As sad as it sounds he isnt going to have himself handcuffed and thrown into the clink to start a state crisis... Even if every cop that arrested him and the judge were later fired for what they did, he was still arrested.

With this (in my opinion) wrong court order in place, Jeb CANNOT stand there and say "Im the Gov, you cant arrest me... Im a equal branch of government". The cops would laugh and throw him in the back of the car.

Some of you just blurt sh*t out as if you know what your talking about... "Send in the national Guard", etc etc.. Give me a break people... Stop blameing the Bush's for something that was not there fault... Blame her as*hole husband.... so many of you are pointing fingers in the wrong direction..
108 posted on 03/31/2005 8:38:11 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ (NJ demorat exterminator)
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To: Real Cynic No More
You took the words right out of my mouth. Good thing, too, because you put it more succinctly than I ever could have.

The only point where we might disagree is in that ridiculous order by Greer that denied anyone from trying to nourish and hydrate Terri by "natural" means. That is the link in the chain that I can't be convinced could be seen (by any rational person) as "lawful" never mind humane.
109 posted on 03/31/2005 8:39:56 PM PST by Kylie_04
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To: streetpreacher

Oak Hay... I agree and bow to your superb error snagging talent !!!


110 posted on 03/31/2005 8:40:51 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: streetpreacher
I NEVER bought into that "compassionate Conservative" garbage, so don't blame me.

So, you'd make a deal with the devil, would you? That's precisely what the Schindlers did and it got them NOTHING.

111 posted on 03/31/2005 8:42:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: agrace
Maybe he can work on rescinding that law. I hope so.
112 posted on 03/31/2005 8:42:56 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: newfarm4000n

You're right: if they can't pay, then starve them to death.

Another Big-Tent, New Tone, compassionate conservative I see.

Heck, when uninsured people come into ER, we should just start asphyxiating them on the spot; think of the billions we would save right there?


113 posted on 03/31/2005 8:43:28 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: Alberta's Child

I don't share your negative view of our government. Besides, if what you say is true, I certainly am not going to ever move to Florida or any of those states that seem to be popular retirement states. I live in Virginia and I don't see that kind of thing going on here. We are very conservative here.


114 posted on 03/31/2005 8:45:31 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: CondorFlight

Well put!
(soon to be registering Independent)


115 posted on 03/31/2005 8:46:57 PM PST by ironmaidenPR2717 (But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days......(2Tim3:1))
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To: ladyjane

Hmmmmm. Well, then, if I were an elderly retired person, I would get the heck out of Florida if they don't change that blasted law!


116 posted on 03/31/2005 8:47:03 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: nopardons

Actually that post was a joke; I could care less what you see as the "solution". Many of you are advocating the Felos "Solution" which is eerily similar to the "Final" one.


117 posted on 03/31/2005 8:50:22 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: Goodgirlinred

I'd certainly move out of Florida in a hurry if I didn't trust my husband or if my heirs were up to their necks in credit card debt - especially if I had a disability.


118 posted on 03/31/2005 8:52:33 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: streetpreacher
You forget that I know you and know that it wasn't really a "joke" at all, even though you added the /sarcasm.

Nowhere, not on any thread on FR, will you find me advocating anything;let alone euthanasia and/or the removal of the feeding tube.So take your hair shirt, your THE END OF THE WORD IS NIGH placard, and the rest of your smarmy posts and go try to shred someone else.

119 posted on 03/31/2005 8:54:23 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Real Cynic No More

So basically, the Democrats' "success" is measured in terms of opposing things that Republicans are for, not in actually passing in any of their own ideas into law. I'll give you that; they are pretty successful at being a royal pain in the ___.


120 posted on 03/31/2005 8:54:25 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: bowzer313

Don't hold back. Let us know what you really think.


121 posted on 03/31/2005 8:55:54 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: Alberta's Child
"He didn't just choose to "follow the law" -- he's the one who signed the damn thing into law."

That happens to be Statute 765. The history of this law is amazing - talk about corruption!

122 posted on 03/31/2005 8:57:56 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: Kylie_04
The only point where we might disagree is in that ridiculous order by Greer that denied anyone from trying to nourish and hydrate Terri by "natural" means.

Well, you and I are in 100% agreement on this.

I'm thinking there is more here than we are aware of. My understanding based on news accounts and anecdotes by those thrust into the public eye is that Michael initially got the order to feed via stomach tube because "it was too much trouble" to have someone feed her. In spite of the fact that I think it despicable that it was deemed ok to starve her when a person can go to jail for starving their dog, I have wondered why the family's initial court filings, to my knowledge, didn't include statements of their willingness to hand feed her. Did they fight Michael on the issue when he received judicial approval to feed by stomach tube? To me, they seem to have almost as many credibility problems as Michael; however, on their side of the equation, they were fighting to save a life, while Michael was fighting to take a life.

All the hand-wringing has been about how immoral it was to allow this to happen, when from a legal standpoint (which often has little relationship to morality), the issue is whether Terri stated she did not want to be kept alive by artificial means. Terri's desires in this manner are the crux of the matter. How can Terri's parents be believed when Michael was supposedly present and they weren't when she ostensibly made the statement? For such an extreme resolution, an off-hand comment supposedly made by her could not have foreseen the resulting ramifications.

I'm listening to O'Reilly as I type this, and the discussion is whether it was an act of mercy to allow her to die. Well, we use acts of mercy on animals, not on people; we respect a person's wishes. Perhaps this will lead to a legitimate discussion on how to resolve such issues in the future.

What were Terri's wishes? I don't think Michaels statement about her desires was factual. I don't think she stated to him what he said she did, especially when considering the timing of when he said it. But, there is little credible contradictory evidence otherwise, and he was legally her guardian.

123 posted on 03/31/2005 8:59:10 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Jeb would have been arrested...

Jeb is the effectively the CEO of Florida. All state employees, and all state police, are answerable to him.

Jeb's first action would be to ensure that anyone in the police chain of command who does not respect that chain be summarily fired. After that is done, the police at the Hospice would be ordered to stand down and leave. A cordon would be in place by loyal police to maintain order.

The reason Jeb didn't cause this to happen is that he is not a worthy champion of the position to which he is elected. He was willing to give his constitutional power away, and damage lawful governance in Florida until someone with stones can set the matter right by his own example.

124 posted on 03/31/2005 8:59:37 PM PST by Tax Government (Put down the judicial insurrection. Contribute to FR.)
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To: ladyjane

To me, the big lesson is, stay as far away from a combination of medical and court authorities as you can. It is a deadly cocktail. It will either torture you to death or make you wish you were dead. Money and power are the primary object of both.


125 posted on 03/31/2005 9:00:05 PM PST by dimmer-rats stealvotes
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To: wagglebee

No mention of the adulterous husband.


W. mentioned him!!!


126 posted on 03/31/2005 9:01:06 PM PST by danamco
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Even if he was arrested for a total of 1 second, his political future is dead... over...

Ah, well, you just summed up what's important here. Good thing those Bush Bros. are not moved by the polls, unlike the dastardly Clinton Bros. (Bill & Hill).

Anyway, it would have been a wash. He is now persona non grata with the base (what sinkspur calls the fringe). Tell him to stick that in his political future.

127 posted on 03/31/2005 9:01:07 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: streetpreacher
So basically, the Democrats' "success" is measured in terms of opposing things that Republicans are for, not in actually passing in any of their own ideas into law. I'll give you that; they are pretty successful at being a royal pain in the ___.

Isn't it a shame the American people don't see the importance of issues until they or someone they know and care for are directly impacted?

128 posted on 03/31/2005 9:02:17 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
The best legal minds in the world said he was powerless

Have you any idea what a slave to the status quo that makes you sound like? The "best legal minds" gave us Dred Scott. You are a low-minded, hand-licking fool.
129 posted on 03/31/2005 9:02:47 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: Next_Time_NJ
With this (in my opinion) wrong court order in place, Jeb CANNOT stand there and say "Im the Gov, you cant arrest me... Im a equal branch of government". The cops would laugh and throw him in the back of the car.

LOL. You are delusional. Either that or we really are a Police State and you love it that way.

130 posted on 03/31/2005 9:03:57 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: Goodgirlinred
"What was the reason behind this law?"

THE CULTURE OF DEATH CROWD!!!

131 posted on 03/31/2005 9:04:35 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: wagglebee
With all the evidence of corruption and ethics violations in the Pinellas county judicial system I think the governor could have taken Terri into custody.I could understand his reluctance not to take her due to the political fallout from media coverage that would make him out to be the bad guy.Where he won't get a pass from me is in the investigation after her death.This case was never going to have any other outcome no matter what because judge Greer made sure of that.He ignored laws and made rulings that defied logic that all went towards assuring Terri would die.His connections with Felos and others were never disclosed which is not ethical.If Jeb Bush allows this type of conduct to go unpunished then I have no choice but to think that he's involved somehow or he's a weakling.
132 posted on 03/31/2005 9:05:34 PM PST by rdcorso (In America Criminals Have More Rights Than The Disabled.What A Disgrace)
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To: ladyjane
"How often does it happen that an adulterous husband wants to get rid of his disabled wife and lies about her wishes? That probably happens a lot more than we realize."

And, it's going to happen a LOT more, now that it's "safe".

133 posted on 03/31/2005 9:05:51 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: wagglebee

Whatever, Jeb. You'll have to live with the guilt for the rest of your life.


134 posted on 03/31/2005 9:06:52 PM PST by k2blader (The state sanctioned murder of Terri Shiavo happened on the Republicans' watch.)
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To: wagglebee
Does anyone rememember Terris law? Jeb took Terri and the courts took her back.

After a dizzying series of court rulings and orders over
several years, a judge last October ordered that her
feeding tube be removed. But days later, Mr. Bush stepped
in, saying his only interest was in protecting the sanctity
of life.

He said that being governor gave him the right and
responsibility to intervene.

But today, the state's highest court said he had no power
to go against the courts.

Instead of focusing your anger on Jeb. Concentrate your efforts on those areas needing change.
135 posted on 03/31/2005 9:09:21 PM PST by Magilla
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To: nopardons
You forget that I know you

You left out the "and adore you" part.

and know that it wasn't really a "joke" at all

Awww, come on! Now you're starting to hurt my feelings.

So take your hair shirt, your THE END OF THE WORD IS NIGH placard

You mean You've SEEN it? ROTFLOL... I loved that. That's the best insult I've received all day.

and the rest of your smarmy posts and go try to shred someone else.

Will do. Thanks for the marching orders.

136 posted on 03/31/2005 9:09:51 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: Real Cynic No More
Agreed re: more than we are aware of...

even what we do know has been largely glossed over in the MSM...MS and his actions, IMO, do not pass the smell test. As for her parents' motivations...I guess I tend NOT to question a person's motives when they are trying to keep someone alive. I can't imagine that they would have tried to stop use of the feeding tube early on...how could they have imagined that it would come to what it did? Of course, there could be more to it that we can't even imagine at this point. I have no sympathy for MS, however, on some level, I think he became a willing pawn of those with a larger agenda....same could be said of the Schindlers, I suppose...but I keep coming back to this: It is harder (logically) to ascribe impure motives to the parents that are trying to keep her alive than to the husband/guardian that is trying to kill her.
137 posted on 03/31/2005 9:13:49 PM PST by Kylie_04
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To: streetpreacher
"Adore" ? Only in your dreams. LOL

I meant to hurt your feelings. You are NOT funny nor clever.

Nope, I haven't seen it; just an educated guess. :-)

Good, now be on your way; hup,two,three,four............

LOL

138 posted on 03/31/2005 9:17:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Kylie_04
"The only point where we might disagree is in that ridiculous order by Greer that denied anyone from trying to nourish and hydrate Terri by "natural" means."

Ridiculous??? Boy, THAT'S an understatement. You mean, CRIMINAL!

139 posted on 03/31/2005 9:21:10 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: farmer18th

Long time no see, f18th. How have you been?

It's been a very sad day. Frankly, I don't have the energy, or gumption to reply to any of these posts. Not worth the time. I couldn't help but notice the amount of trolling going on at FR since Terri Schiavo's case was given international attention.

I've been praying for the Schiavo's, as well as our country, all day. It's time to rest. May the Lord bless the Schiavo's with a sense of peace and comfort now that Terri's with Him.


140 posted on 03/31/2005 9:23:27 PM PST by This Just In ((In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king))
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To: nopardons
This hysteria needs to stop and stop right now!

Terri wasn't Jesus,Jeb isn't Pilate, and writing such garbage helps nobody!


All the non-Floridian Bush basher with no knowledge of the Florida Constitution are marching on tonight!
If they have ever listened to Jay Seculow, they would have known that if Jeb had acted he would have broken the Florida law, and that he had NO legal options available. Naturally these loud talking heads here knows it better than Jay, a frequently lawyer defending at the SCOTUS!!!
141 posted on 03/31/2005 9:24:11 PM PST by danamco
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To: jackibutterfly

Touche.


142 posted on 03/31/2005 9:26:20 PM PST by Kylie_04
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To: wagglebee

I read all of the relevant portions of the Florida Constitution last weekend, I am absolutely convinced that he had all the authority he needed to save her life.


Please quote them for us? Thanks!


143 posted on 03/31/2005 9:29:53 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco
Mass hysteria has overtaken FR and if it doesn't end soon, there's no telling the price that will have to be paid.

If I was granted three wishes, a la fairy tales, one of then would be that people who knew little to nothing at all about any given topic,would NOT be allowed to post on those topics, to FR. That would save a very great deal of bandwidth!

Unfortunately, even some here who claim to live in Florida, have posted THE most ridiculous garbage about this case.

Many thanks for your sane and informative post. :-)

144 posted on 03/31/2005 9:30:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ladyjane
How often does it happen that an adulterous husband wants to get rid of his disabled wife and lies about her wishes? That probably happens a lot more than we realize.

So far it has been the "Perfect Murder" case that neither Colombo or Perry Masson would have been able to solve, unless somebody is able to expose the real truth, which I e-mailed to the two brothers!!!
145 posted on 03/31/2005 9:34:41 PM PST by danamco
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To: nopardons
Mass hysteria has overtaken FR and if it doesn't end soon, there's no telling the price that will have to be paid.

You ain't kidding! You should read the above quote!

If I was granted three wishes, a la fairy tales, one of then would be that people who knew little to nothing at all about any given topic,would NOT be allowed to post on those topics, to FR. That would save a very great deal of bandwidth!

Well, we both know what one of those wishes would be don't we? wink,wink.

146 posted on 03/31/2005 9:43:19 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you値l restore me)
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To: danamco
Naturally these loud talking heads here knows it better than Jay, a frequently lawyer defending at the SCOTUS!!!

Lawyers are basically very timid, conventional people. If a lawyer had advised Rosa Parks, she would have gone to the back of the bus. If a lawyer had advised Sam Adams, the tea would be sold, not dumped, and the taxes paid. Jay wants center stage, and the battle fought on his terms, and through his ministry--even if it doesn't square with historic constitutional principles. He wants the law to be respected, even if it meant starving an innocent woman. Jay should understand, of all people, that there is a higher law.

This was momentary blindness on his part.
147 posted on 03/31/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: wagglebee

Terri Schiavo was tortured to death on the order of a judge who never saw her, who took into consideration only that testimony that fit the sentence he had in mind. Dogs, cats, horses, all in the news in the last couple of weeks for not being properly fed and their owners sentenced to hard time. In Florida, being starved to death, prevented from practicing your religion is bliss, natural. It is not torture, like putting underwear on a prisoner’s head. Ask a judge.

The Governor could have stopped this evil, had Terri removed from the abattoir while an investigation into the credible allegations presented was completed. He did not. He claimed he must “follow the rule of law.”

The President could have stopped this evil, had Terri removed from the abattoir while an investigation into the credible allegations presented was completed. He did not. He claimed he must “follow the rule of law.”

The fact is that both the President and the Governor were afraid to act as what they are supposed to be, an independent arm of the government, protecting ur rights to LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

This was not the rule of law, but the worship of judge. The judges were wrong. Judges are often wrong, as Dred Scott.

They lacked the guts to do their job. There is an alternative explanation, but it puts them in a less favorable light than being assessed as cowards.

They did not act. When they allowed Terri to be tortured and murdered under color of authority, they lost some of their moral authority. Even more important, when Terri died, a part of their souls died too. They had the power, they chose not to exercise it. What choice would you have made?

My flag is at half mast, for Terri and for our country.


148 posted on 03/31/2005 9:45:35 PM PST by Rodentking (http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: Critter

And some of the best legal minds said he wasn't powerless.


Names, please???


149 posted on 03/31/2005 9:48:14 PM PST by danamco
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To: This Just In
It's been a very sad day.

It has indeed. The proof of Jeb Bush's cowardice will soon be immortalized in Terri's headstone. It's a day that has proved our leaders are not man enough to lead.
150 posted on 03/31/2005 9:48:53 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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