Posted on 04/01/2005 5:34:21 AM PST by marshmallow
Husband's brother says he'll never forgive Schindlers
(CNN) -- Terri Schiavo's death Thursday did nothing to lessen the bitter feud between the Schiavos and the Schindlers -- with both sides continuing their war of words even as they mourned.
Her death came less than 12 hours after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected her parents' last appeal and nearly two weeks after doctors, acting on an order issued by a state circuit court judge, removed her life-sustaining feeding tube. (Full story)
She was 41 and had been incapacitated since 1990, when she suffered a heart attack that caused permanent brain damage.
None of Schiavo's blood relatives were in the Woodside Hospice room in Pinellas Park, Florida, when she died Thursday morning, a sore point among the Schindler family. (Bedside scene)
And a brother of Michael Schiavo vowed Thursday night that he will never forgive her biological family for portraying his brother as a "murderer."
Brian Schiavo berated the Schindler family, their lead lawyer and a Catholic priest who is their friend.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Greer took care of everything by simply refusing to admit as evidence anything favorable to Terri's case. He took Mikey's hearsay testimony regarding Terri's wishes and refused to consider those who said Terri had stated otherwise to them such as friends of Terri's (just one small example). Therefore, if no "new evidence" was looked at by later judges who reviewed the case, then Terri was screwed, which she indeed was. Judicial murder.
You are attempting to argue, with an attorney, how the appeals court works and you are failing miserably.
Please keep in mind, the Schindlers filed several appeals.
"Once Greer determined the "facts," no other judge ever evaluated them..."
This comment is partially correct. Greer does determine the facts and makes an assessment. Now, what do you think that Judge Greer's "ruling" consists of? Do you think it is merely a verbal ruling? It consists of a detailed document, which consequently every other Judge in the appeals court will then assess. This document will contain several of the facts used as a basis for Greers decsion.
"Greer took care of everything by simply refusing to admit as evidence anything favorable to Terri's case"
You may very well be correct on that notion. I do not think me post states otherwise.
Because those who could have changed things are all lacking ba**s.
Don't count on an honest autopsy. That whole county is so "colluded" that we will never know the truth except in our guts!
I'm sorry, but Felos makes me want to take a shower everytime I see him speak. The guy is unbelievably creepy. Did you see how he talked and talked and talked yesterday????
Neglect and abuse complaints is that Michael Schiavo:
* Has not allowed therapy or rehabilitation since late 1992.
* Has prevented swallowing tests or swallowing therapy since 1993.
* Ordered caretakers not to clean Terri's teeth since 1995, resulting in removal of five teeth in April 2004.
* Placed Terri in hospice in 2000, despite the fact she is not terminally ill.
* Refuses to allow Terri to leave her room. She has not been outside since 2000.
* Ordered doctors not to treat Terri when she had a life threatening infection in 1993 and 1995.
I'm thinking that it's time to let this go. She's resting now. It's time to let the family bury their loved one and grieve in peace.
Pinellas County Medical Examiner:
" Wow. What luck. Judge Greer gave me Terri's official Pinellas County Autopsy report last week.
It has saved me much time. Let me assure you that there is nothing in it about abuse.
Everything was normal. Honest."
I also heard one nurse testify that the judge acted disgracefully on the stand.... that he *clearly* discounted any positive testimony - he actually acted bored and dismissive as those positive to Terri were testifying.
If I had not *with my own eyes* seen another judge act this way - I would have totally disbelieved this woman. Probably thousands of people watching her thought " That is impossible - even if he felt that way - no judge would open display his feelings on the bench".....
But I can tell you I've seen it with My own eyes..... a judge scoffing, rolling his eyes, and even verbally attacking a witness. This was in a child custody case and I was not involved - just in courtroom with a relative who is an attorney. Therefore I found her statements about Judge Greer to be very believable!!
Did Gibson say anything about making a movie about Terri?
It would be a good thing if adocumentary like Celsius 41.11 could be made about this case. It wouldn't take much persuasion to get me to donate money for its production.
Lionel Chetwynd, are you out there?
The Rule of Terri's Case Strikes Again. -2004- Judge Greer's crimes to Murder Terri
Law conveniently changed by Hospice where Terri was Judicially murdered
Scientology and Terri Schindler's Murder
Lawyer donations to the Murdering Judge
MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S lies and contradictory testimony in easy to read format
Yes, Felos talked for over half an hour. The Schindlers were short and sweet.
Felos is an unctuous phony, in my opinion.
Well - lets just boil this down to simple terms that those who are not attorneys can understand. Lets say that one document - Ex: MS's Statement says "I heard Terri say she wouldn't want to live like that".... Then 5 or 6 other documents say "I've known Terri all my life - during the Quinlin decision - she stated "While there is life, there is hope"..... etc.
Would the appeals court judge look at the MS statement and the other statements and decided which seemed most credible? OR would he assume that first judge had them in person - therefore could determine credibility - and they only looked to procedural errors Judge Greer may have made????
I have a friend who has a son born with only a brain stem (Hydranencephaly). She was told he'd die within hours, then days, then by his 1st birthday.
He is now 7 yrs old. He is blind, deaf and mute with the exception of of grunts, giggles and out and out laughter. He can not walk, but by 5 yrs of age was able to sit up without falling over.
Never once have his parents considered not giving him physical therapy or keeping his teeth brushed.
My point is this...when you love someone, you give them the best care you can; either by yourself or someone else (they kept Jaden home until they couldn't lift him anymore), for the length of their NATURAL life.
micael schiavo didn't give the care to his wife ("who loved her deeply" according to his brother), that one would give an animal. IMO, that condemns him as much as any legal thing he did to kill her.
"Well - lets just boil this down to simple terms that those who are not attorneys can understand."
You cannot "boil it down to simple terms". It is a judicial process and there is generally nothing simple about it.
"OR would he assume that first judge had them in person - therefore could determine credibility"
No Judge will "assume" anything. I am not even sure how to assess your comparison other than to say WHAT?
The appeals judge will look at what is written in the ruling. I have only heard the ruling, therefore I cannot attest. However, if in the ruling, it states both of the statements you refer to, then surely the appeals judges will evaluate and review them both. I am not sure if you were just using an example or if you actually think that your "simple terms" post is reality.
Sorry - Maybe I worded it badly - what I tried to say was ..... IF you have 2 witnesses - One says X and the other(s) say Y - and X is the exact opposite of Y .... Does the appeals judge look at all factors and determine whether X is true or Y is true ......OR does he PRESUME that the first judge made the proper determination of truth and only look at whether errors in procedure were made?
Hope I made that clear.....
Sorry - Maybe I worded it badly - what I tried to say was ..... IF you have 2 witnesses - One says X and the other(s) say Y - and X is the exact opposite of Y .... Does the appeals judge look at all factors and determine whether X is true or Y is true ......OR does he PRESUME that the first judge made the proper determination of truth and only look at whether errors in procedure were made?
Hope I made that clear.....
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