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Schiavo's life was tragically short, but her legacy is long (USA Today editorial)
USA Today via Yahoo News ^ | 4/1/05

Posted on 04/01/2005 12:08:23 PM PST by Wolfstar

Edited on 04/01/2005 12:11:13 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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And so the larger national debate begins.
1 posted on 04/01/2005 12:08:24 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: Wolfstar
USA Today is recommending executing the handicapped.

There should be no debate after this JUDICIAL ATROCITY EXECUTION BY STARVATION.


2 posted on 04/01/2005 12:10:21 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: .38sw; ambrose; andysandmikesmom; Annie03; Bella_Bru; BigSkyFreeper; buckleyfan; Chad Fairbanks; ...

"Sanity Brigade" ping. Time to focus on the larger issues raised by this case. Congress and your state legislatures will soon be conducting hearings and considering legislation that will affect everyone's end-of-life decisions. I sure don't want the kind of blind zealotry we've seen recently over Shiavo exclusively shaping national and state policy.


3 posted on 04/01/2005 12:10:58 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Diogenesis
USA Today is recommending executing the handicapped.

Don't be ridiculous. USA Today's editorial merely discusses the larger issues raised by the Schiavo case and says that we can expect national and state legislatures to consider new laws governing end-of-life issues.

4 posted on 04/01/2005 12:12:35 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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" Congress stepped in with a rushed emergency law that allowed Schiavo's parents to appeal,"

False.


5 posted on 04/01/2005 12:13:10 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Wolfstar
Hovering in the background is a related question: Just who pays for expensive efforts to keep incapacitated people alive? Medicare, which covers 41 million people, doesn't pay for long-term care, and even so, the trust fund that finances it is projected to be insolvent by 2020. Medicaid, also stressed by rising health care costs, can provide some help after a person's assets are exhausted.

Just remember, what the government giveth, the government can taketh away. When your feeding tube is eventually inserted, take special notice of the distal end. If you find it plugged into Uncle, be very afraid.

6 posted on 04/01/2005 12:14:18 PM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

False? What's false about the statement that "Congress stepped in with a rushed emergency law that allowed Schiavo's parents to appeal?" That's exactly what they did. The law gave the Schindlers the opportunity to appeal to federal courts, and asked -- not required, but requested --the federal appeals court to consider the facts of the case anew.


7 posted on 04/01/2005 12:15:28 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Wolfstar

The gov't stepped in by ordering her death. Why don't liberals ever think judges are part of the government? Or police who guard the door and arrest people who try to give water to a dying disabled woman?


8 posted on 04/01/2005 12:16:33 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Wolfstar

the legislation was for de novo review of the merits/facts of the case.

It never happened.


9 posted on 04/01/2005 12:17:37 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Wolfstar

Thanks for the ping.

I was just telling someone on the phone that we need hearings and lots of conversation about this matter.

It was distressing to hear Tom DeLay say last night that even if Terri had not wanted to be kept alive by a feeding tube, it was wrong to let her go that way.

So much for the right to self determination. Our party had better not take that away.


10 posted on 04/01/2005 12:18:55 PM PST by Peach
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I disagree. Terri did not die. She was murdered.

USAToday is leading away from the real story with faux discussions.

11 posted on 04/01/2005 12:19:04 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Are any of you people who are so emotionally invested in this one case even capable of rational thought? This USA Today editorial doesn't take sides in the Schiavo case. It merely says that it will have a lasting impact, because it will lead to examination of larger end-of-life issues in Congress and state legislatures.


12 posted on 04/01/2005 12:19:44 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Diogenesis
Y'know Diog, these last couple of weeks haven't done anything to strengthen you credibility.
13 posted on 04/01/2005 12:21:11 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Wolfstar

I hate the snooty tone. If I didn't know better, I'd think it was the NY Slimes.


14 posted on 04/01/2005 12:22:53 PM PST by Huck (:-)
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To: Peach

Good day, Peach. Judging from the pathetic lack of ability on the part of so many to raise their eyes from one case in order to consider the larger national issues, I sure as heck am very worried about any end-of-life legislation that may come out of Congress. So I want to keep a close eye on hearings and any bills that are introduced.


15 posted on 04/01/2005 12:22:58 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Wolfstar

It seems we're still in the phase where facts don't matter and emotion rules.

Hopefully by the time hearings are held, cooler heads will prevail in Congress and certainly on FR where maybe we can have actual discussions again.


16 posted on 04/01/2005 12:23:20 PM PST by Peach
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To: Wolfstar

I'll post here what I've posted on other threads. I think that medical treatment should be withheld if and only if a formal living will, written and notarized, is in effect. In the absence of legitimate written instructions, I think the presumption should be that the person wishes to receive medical treatment. I don't think anyone should have a feeding tube removed on the basis of someone else's verbal testimony. If this issue is important to people, then they should make sure they have a proper living will in place.


17 posted on 04/01/2005 12:24:49 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Wolfstar

Oh, and this needs to be enacted on the state legislative level. I don't think the federal government has any place in end-of-life issues (or a host of other issues they are already involved in, for that matter).


18 posted on 04/01/2005 12:25:31 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Wolfstar
I sure don't want the kind of blind zealotry we've seen recently over Shiavo exclusively shaping national and state policy.

Blind zealotry has already had its effect. That nut Felos and his lunatic Hemlock Society pals have already enacted euthanasia-by-starvation in many states. The rest of America is just now finding out.

19 posted on 04/01/2005 12:25:50 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Diogenesis
Way to go!

Although that was not your intention, you have just convinced me that my original judgment on this issue was correct.

20 posted on 04/01/2005 12:25:50 PM PST by Hunble
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