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Time to part company
myself | 4/1/05 | hchutch

Posted on 04/01/2005 2:39:59 PM PST by hchutch

Six months ago, Free Republic was riding high, and I was proud to be a part of it. It was coming off having blown the cover off of Dan Rather’s use of forged memos against the President. The President was well on his way to winning re-election. It was a great time to be a Freeper.

However, things have changed. It started with the justifiable removal of ALIPAC. I supported that move by Jim Robinson, but the ugliness directed towards Alberto Gonzales. He was accused of everything under the sun, and Senator Mel Martinez was viciously attacked for speaking Spanish on the Senate floor. The tone and outright viciousness (terms like FROBL and traitor were fired off at anyone who did not toe the line established by Michelle Malkin and Tom Tancredo) on immigration threads had concerned me, but I had concluded it was an isolated incident. After ALIPAC was removed from FR, I had hoped the tone there would improve. But it only got worse. I was point-blank called a traitor because my views on immigration differ from those of Michelle Malkin’s groupies. On immigration threads, questioning the questionable is not allowed. One must accept the unacceptable and allow folks to defend the indefensible. Never mind that VDARE, American Renaissance, and other sites are racist or have no problem hanging out with those that are racists (I’m just going to call a spade a spade here).

There were folks who had the long knives out for Senator Rick Santorum, one of the strongest pro-life members of the United States Senate. Why? Because he endorsed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. It was stunning to see these long knives out for a conservative. And all it would accomplish would be his replacement by a Democrat. How in the world replacing Rick Santorum with a Democrat would aid conservatism is beyond me, but it was demanded because Santorum endorsed Specter. The long knives were out, and I suppose it was a sign of what was to come.

The whole Terri Schiavo case has changed everything for me. A mob mentality took over the first few days after the order to pull the tube was given. Anyone who did not toe the line was attacked. I saw a dedicated active-duty member of our armed forces called a “Maine liberal” for simply asking why troops in harm’s way did not get the same sort of “all-nighter” attention that Terri Schiavo got. It was a reasonable question – we have 40-year-old P-3s still out there. We have a war on terrorism still going on, in case folks have not noticed. We have to get Social Security fixed. I say this as a person who believes that at best, Michael Schiavo’s relationship with a woman (and having two kids with her) meant he had a conflict of interest – and that he had decided that Terri was inconvenient. I cannot take his word alone that Terri would have wanted this. I also believe that George Felos is a supporter of euthanasia, and that he is using this case for his own ends. Those folks give me the creeps, and I think that Jim Robinson was on the right side of this issue. However, I also got a very bad feeling when the Schindlers embraced the likes of Randall Terry and Bo Gritz. I had to wonder what has happened to the conservative movement when the threads were allowed to spiral so out of control. The concept of euthanasia is repulsive and disgusting, but it does not excuse allowing the threads to spin out of control.

I have seen the President of the United States, George W. Bush, and the Governor of Florida, John Ellis Bush, take huge political risks in an effort to save Terri’s life. I believe they were doing their best to do the right thing, and that the original law passed in 2003 was a reasonable one that was wrongly stuck down by Judge Greer and the Florida Supreme Court. I think that the Republican Party has taken a huge risk to give Terri a chance at life, and I am disgusted with those who seek a pretext that will justify leaving the GOP in the lurch. I’m sick of the way the Terri threads spun out of control, and the vicious attacks launched at reasonable people who came to a different conclusions about the situation or who pointed out facts that certain people found inconvenient. This is not what I signed on here for.

I believe in a strong national defense, cutting taxes, and in general trying to keep government involvement as minimal as possible (there are times when the best one can do is to limit government involvement in a situation). I am pro-life (with exceptions for rape, incest, and to protect the life of the mother) and pro-Second Amendment. However, I do NOT want the federal government to be involved in any culture war. “Culture” was never mentioned in the constitution, thus I believe it is left to the States or TO THE PEOPLE (see the Tenth Amendment). I do NOT think immigration is a problem, but I believe some mistakes were made along the way (like eliminating the bracero program). I also think that the President of the United States has proposed a sensible plan that will go a long way towards solving the problems on our border with Mexico and do much to alleviate the problems surrounding illegal immigration. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that it is time for me and Free Republic to part company, because Free Republic has left this limited-government neoconservative. In the process of Free Republic leaving me, I now find that I fear the social conservatives as much as I fear the loony left. As a result of coming to this conclusion, I ask that my account be deleted and all posts I have made, save for this opus and the ping to my friends be removed.

I do this with regret, since I will miss some of those who I have met here, but I feel no other choice. So long.


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Nothing more needs to be said.
1 posted on 04/01/2005 2:40:00 PM PST by hchutch
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To: Common Tator; rdb3; mhking; Luis Gonzalez; LS; Miss Marple; Once-Ler; Dane; Cultural Jihad; ...

FYI, folks.


2 posted on 04/01/2005 2:40:15 PM PST by hchutch ("But, Rally, they're SMOKE GRENADES.")
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To: hchutch
Nothing more needs to be said.

Except by me. And that's a-coming.

3 posted on 04/01/2005 2:40:51 PM PST by Poohbah (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: hchutch

That's a lot of words.


4 posted on 04/01/2005 2:41:24 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: hchutch

5 posted on 04/01/2005 2:41:55 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: hchutch

Too bad you are jumping Ship, Sounds like you are needed here, more than ever.


6 posted on 04/01/2005 2:42:46 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: hchutch
In the process of Free Republic leaving me, I now find that I fear the social conservatives as much as I fear the loony left.

You believe in social conservative principles, but you fear social conservatives? I gotta scratch my head over this. Name one thing social conservatives have done. The fear is irrational.

7 posted on 04/01/2005 2:44:15 PM PST by Always Right
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To: hchutch
Well, I, for one, will miss you. And I agree with most of what you've said above.

But leaving here is like leaving the Republican party. Why on earth would you simply walk away and not continue to post common sense here?

8 posted on 04/01/2005 2:44:45 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: hchutch

Now that you mention it, the people here don't all agree with each of my beliefs either. I think I'll leave too.


9 posted on 04/01/2005 2:44:55 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: hchutch

Best to ya...and thanks for your candor!


10 posted on 04/01/2005 2:44:57 PM PST by harpu
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To: hchutch

Don't take chat forums so seriously. People will always say radical things online that they'd never utter in person.

11 posted on 04/01/2005 2:45:06 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Always Right
Name one thing social conservatives have done.

Call other social conservatives "Nazis" on Free Republic.

12 posted on 04/01/2005 2:45:41 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: hchutch

You are being too sensitive, but then everyone is from time to time. Come back when you get over being mad. It's a great place.


13 posted on 04/01/2005 2:45:45 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: hchutch

Sounds to me like you have skin like wet tissue paper. Ive got a libertarian bent and I do just fine here.


14 posted on 04/01/2005 2:46:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: Poohbah; hchutch

I have to agree wit hit all. The long knoves are now out for the ME for Pinellas and Pasco. There is no cause for this and it sickens me.


15 posted on 04/01/2005 2:46:46 PM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: hchutch
Soooo.. is that an opus?
I'm sorry to hear it. And I disagree with you on several points.

That does not stop me from being sorry to see you go.

16 posted on 04/01/2005 2:46:55 PM PST by humblegunner (We ain't subject to terror, but it's unwise to irritate us.)
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To: hchutch
This is a DISCUSSION forum. There are people that agree with you, and people that disagree with you. You should have thicker skin.

Don't let the door hit 'ya where the good Lord split 'ya!
17 posted on 04/01/2005 2:47:02 PM PST by politicket
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To: hchutch
Nice opus, but you'll be back.

They all come back.

It's an addiction, you know.

18 posted on 04/01/2005 2:47:24 PM PST by SW6906
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To: hchutch
FR slips further into extremist kookery with your departure.
Cheers to a good guy. You will be missed.
19 posted on 04/01/2005 2:47:24 PM PST by PRND21
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To: hchutch; Howlin; Trinity_Tx; Peach

Don't leave. I think most are on your side. But many have chosen to stay silent lately, to avoid all the nastiness. Try the smoky backroom!!


20 posted on 04/01/2005 2:47:24 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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