Skip to comments.Time to part company
Posted on 04/01/2005 2:39:59 PM PST by hchutch
Six months ago, Free Republic was riding high, and I was proud to be a part of it. It was coming off having blown the cover off of Dan Rathers use of forged memos against the President. The President was well on his way to winning re-election. It was a great time to be a Freeper.
However, things have changed. It started with the justifiable removal of ALIPAC. I supported that move by Jim Robinson, but the ugliness directed towards Alberto Gonzales. He was accused of everything under the sun, and Senator Mel Martinez was viciously attacked for speaking Spanish on the Senate floor. The tone and outright viciousness (terms like FROBL and traitor were fired off at anyone who did not toe the line established by Michelle Malkin and Tom Tancredo) on immigration threads had concerned me, but I had concluded it was an isolated incident. After ALIPAC was removed from FR, I had hoped the tone there would improve. But it only got worse. I was point-blank called a traitor because my views on immigration differ from those of Michelle Malkins groupies. On immigration threads, questioning the questionable is not allowed. One must accept the unacceptable and allow folks to defend the indefensible. Never mind that VDARE, American Renaissance, and other sites are racist or have no problem hanging out with those that are racists (Im just going to call a spade a spade here).
There were folks who had the long knives out for Senator Rick Santorum, one of the strongest pro-life members of the United States Senate. Why? Because he endorsed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. It was stunning to see these long knives out for a conservative. And all it would accomplish would be his replacement by a Democrat. How in the world replacing Rick Santorum with a Democrat would aid conservatism is beyond me, but it was demanded because Santorum endorsed Specter. The long knives were out, and I suppose it was a sign of what was to come.
The whole Terri Schiavo case has changed everything for me. A mob mentality took over the first few days after the order to pull the tube was given. Anyone who did not toe the line was attacked. I saw a dedicated active-duty member of our armed forces called a Maine liberal for simply asking why troops in harms way did not get the same sort of all-nighter attention that Terri Schiavo got. It was a reasonable question we have 40-year-old P-3s still out there. We have a war on terrorism still going on, in case folks have not noticed. We have to get Social Security fixed. I say this as a person who believes that at best, Michael Schiavos relationship with a woman (and having two kids with her) meant he had a conflict of interest and that he had decided that Terri was inconvenient. I cannot take his word alone that Terri would have wanted this. I also believe that George Felos is a supporter of euthanasia, and that he is using this case for his own ends. Those folks give me the creeps, and I think that Jim Robinson was on the right side of this issue. However, I also got a very bad feeling when the Schindlers embraced the likes of Randall Terry and Bo Gritz. I had to wonder what has happened to the conservative movement when the threads were allowed to spiral so out of control. The concept of euthanasia is repulsive and disgusting, but it does not excuse allowing the threads to spin out of control.
I have seen the President of the United States, George W. Bush, and the Governor of Florida, John Ellis Bush, take huge political risks in an effort to save Terris life. I believe they were doing their best to do the right thing, and that the original law passed in 2003 was a reasonable one that was wrongly stuck down by Judge Greer and the Florida Supreme Court. I think that the Republican Party has taken a huge risk to give Terri a chance at life, and I am disgusted with those who seek a pretext that will justify leaving the GOP in the lurch. Im sick of the way the Terri threads spun out of control, and the vicious attacks launched at reasonable people who came to a different conclusions about the situation or who pointed out facts that certain people found inconvenient. This is not what I signed on here for.
I believe in a strong national defense, cutting taxes, and in general trying to keep government involvement as minimal as possible (there are times when the best one can do is to limit government involvement in a situation). I am pro-life (with exceptions for rape, incest, and to protect the life of the mother) and pro-Second Amendment. However, I do NOT want the federal government to be involved in any culture war. Culture was never mentioned in the constitution, thus I believe it is left to the States or TO THE PEOPLE (see the Tenth Amendment). I do NOT think immigration is a problem, but I believe some mistakes were made along the way (like eliminating the bracero program). I also think that the President of the United States has proposed a sensible plan that will go a long way towards solving the problems on our border with Mexico and do much to alleviate the problems surrounding illegal immigration. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that it is time for me and Free Republic to part company, because Free Republic has left this limited-government neoconservative. In the process of Free Republic leaving me, I now find that I fear the social conservatives as much as I fear the loony left. As a result of coming to this conclusion, I ask that my account be deleted and all posts I have made, save for this opus and the ping to my friends be removed.
I do this with regret, since I will miss some of those who I have met here, but I feel no other choice. So long.
Except by me. And that's a-coming.
That's a lot of words.
Too bad you are jumping Ship, Sounds like you are needed here, more than ever.
You believe in social conservative principles, but you fear social conservatives? I gotta scratch my head over this. Name one thing social conservatives have done. The fear is irrational.
But leaving here is like leaving the Republican party. Why on earth would you simply walk away and not continue to post common sense here?
Now that you mention it, the people here don't all agree with each of my beliefs either. I think I'll leave too.
Best to ya...and thanks for your candor!
Don't take chat forums so seriously. People will always say radical things online that they'd never utter in person.
Call other social conservatives "Nazis" on Free Republic.
You are being too sensitive, but then everyone is from time to time. Come back when you get over being mad. It's a great place.
Sounds to me like you have skin like wet tissue paper. Ive got a libertarian bent and I do just fine here.
I have to agree wit hit all. The long knoves are now out for the ME for Pinellas and Pasco. There is no cause for this and it sickens me.
That does not stop me from being sorry to see you go.
They all come back.
It's an addiction, you know.
Don't leave. I think most are on your side. But many have chosen to stay silent lately, to avoid all the nastiness. Try the smoky backroom!!
In the sticks and stones category, I guess.
Proofreading is my friend.
"Sounds like you are needed here, more than ever."
hchutch, I stayed away from the immigration threads; however I agree with everything you've posted. It bothers me, too, that people are enraged at GW and Jeb and I don't think Randall Terry did the conservative cause any good at all. The past few days have been very emotional and perhaps, when some time passes, cooler heads will prevail.
I sincerely hope you don't leave.
Here's a real parting shot, buster.
| So long, it's been good to know you
So long, it's been good to know you
So long, it's been good to know you
There's a mighty big war that's got to be won
And we'll get back together again
Can we really just have the mods delete all our old posts on a whim?
It's always the same; guy finishes putting the last nail in his coffin and turns right around and pulls it back out.
With all due respect, if you don't believe that our current lax approach to immigration in this country is a serious problem, you really have your head buried in the sand. The fact that driver's licenses are being given out to people that should not be getting them is one of the key factors that permitted 9/11 to take place.
As far as the culture war goes, the left has been actively waging it through government for well over three decades. Take a good look around you at what's going on.
"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Guess that makes me a mobster....
That's a shame.
It was on both sides.
I know you've thought long and hard about this. I respect your decision, but I don't like it.
April fools, right?
Thanks for posting. I have also been debating sticking around as the mood has REALLY taken a turn for the worse lately.
I'll stick it out and see what happens, the shrillness of the past few weeks should calm down. Some of the Terri threads took on a very unattractive DU quailty, but I have faith that FReepers will return to normalcy (such as we are).
That's just silly, no two people agree on anything, the world is made up of many kinds of people. Some are intellectual, others comedians, and some just want to argue. Don't take people so seriously. I very rarely post, but your post has me wondering why some people give up and give in.
I agree with everything anyone has ever said on this forum.
"Immigration is not a problem".......probably one of the most ignorant statements I've seen posted here. Why not ask the Americans who've had loved ones raped, robbed and murdered by cretins who would not be here if we had a coherent immigration policy?.......bet you might get a different outlook on things. Anyone with half a brain knows we need the continuing lifeblood of immigrants who want to work (& not collect welfare), who want to assimilate (& not colonize), who respect America (& do not want to create Aztlan), etc. Current immigration policy (or lackof) has been the greatest corproate welfare scheme ever devised and I hope you're at least smart enough to figure out why.....if not, you do need to go.
Holier Than Thou Syndrome
Taking one's marbles and going home
Here's a quarter
Call someone who cares
I agree with you. The Terri case made me realize that this has become a forum of wackos who refuse to look at both sides of an issue and attack anyone with another opinion. I mean...after reading that "Terri died for our sins, Let's employ Terri to the Vatican, Terri is just like Jesus, Terri was choked instead of having an eating disorder (despite having a very low potassium level), Let's make Terri a "saint", let's call 911 for Terri", I am literally disgusted with how low this site has sunk.
People can be conservative but they also should use the intelligence and common sense that God gave them to be open to ALL the facts, not just the ones they want to believe in.
Please just take a break and come back. And ignore the mean-spiritedness of some on this thread. Says way more about them.
"Call other social conservatives "Nazis" on Free Republic."
I too have seen an increase in the frequency of people calling anybody that disagrees with them a "Nazi", a "Marxist", a "Communist", a "Democrat", etc. It's pretty apalling, but it isn't something that would cause me to cut and run. I can understand why somebody would get sick of it, however.
And therein lies the problem - when you have to go to the Smokey Backroom to avoid the nastiness...
It goes with the territory. You seem to have a pretty good slant on things, and I for one, would hate to see such folks disappear leaving only the mindless extremist automatons. You will not find a better site anywhere in spite of it all.
In order to maintain your sanity here, you just have to know with who and who not to converse. Some are simply not worth getting jazzed over.
You are an adult. Do as you wish. I'd advise you just chill. Yeah, knees, elbows, and knuckles will be scraped and bruised along the way. Some of us can tussle and still look oh, so good. But it's one hell of a ride!
If not, then, go easy my man. No worries. It's all good.
I pull out that pic every time someone posts an opus. It's one of my favorite cartoon strips!
I'd put that pic as my wallpaper, but my boss would be less than amused, I'm afraid.