EU to slap extra 15% duty on range of US goods

dailytimes.com ^ | 04012005 | European Union

[1rudeboy]

Free markets enrich the powerful and oppress the masses, which is what free-traders truly want. (It is also what Marx argued--the above is an example of circular reasoning that would implode the brain of any sentient being, other than the most ardent protectionist).

[Sam Cree]

You are a Marxist?

[1rudeboy]

I am a "free-trader." According to some here, that makes me a Marxist.

[Sam Cree]

Sorry, I was confused. Yeah, clearly I agree with you on the subject. It's hard to believe in the capitalism and the free market and not also believe in free trade.

I've seen enough posts claiming libertarianism to be a form of Marxism! Strangely, there are also quite a few leftists who think themselves libertarian.

[Mase]

Secondly, Free Trade is an instrumental element of marxist dogma which Marx and Lennin spoke at length about.
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Once again, I don't suppose you'd have anything to back that up being that Marx and Lenin spoke at length about it?

[Mase]

Deal with it-you support a key element in communist foreign policy.
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Yeah, right. Me and Ronald Reagan, Bill Buckley, Milton Friedman, Margaret Thatcher, FA Hayek, The Institute of Economic Affairs, The Heritage Foundation and on and on.

You are really hacking now.

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

And if I invest the time and find it what will you do with that information? My time is precious, make it worth my while.

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

Now are you saying Reagan supported WTO,NAFTA and GATT? If I recall didn't he have alzhiemers big time about then?

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

Look genius, Marx was for it because it helped bring down the standard of living in the Western world. Obviously you don't live in California where we have been raped by unfettered immigration which is a direct byproduct of NAFTA. Marx's theory is coming true through out the western USA.

One can't have FT without a lower wage base to compete with China.

[1rudeboy]

See what I mean? Circular reasoning. Someone who believes Marx's theory is "coming true" is calling me a Marxist. And we've come a long way from "cars and durable goods" to "unfettered immigration."

[Sam Cree]

Interesting that they (some Freepers) agree with (what is apparently) Marx's theory that free trade, the free market and capitalism will ultimately fail, thus bringing about revolution and the rise of the proletariat. (If memory serves, and it does, Castro himself, after the fall of the dot.coms, repeated exactly that quote by Marx). It makes one wonder also if those freepers are advocates of Central Planning. The assumption is that they are.

Beyond the fact that such point of view, if truly conservative, has unsettling implications for conservative doctrines of freedom and liberty, one would think that history had done a fair job by now of invalidating Marxism.

At any rate, I now understand why F.A. Hayek, famous proponent of individual freedom and personal liberty, wrote an essay entitled "Why I am not a conservative."

Although, truthfully, it is my opinion (here I agree with Thomas Sowell) that while the term "conservative" has not yet been adequately defined, it is fairly certain that believers in Marxist doctrine are not conservative, whatever else they may be.

[Mase]

Now are you saying Reagan supported WTO,NAFTA and GATT? If I recall didn't he have alzhiemers big time about then?
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You're not a member of Mensa, are you?

Reagan was for freer trade and first proposed a free trade agreement with Mexico in his 1980 campaign.

This is from the Heritage Foundation. You know them don't you? They are a conservative think tank.

"Long-Standing Support for Free Trade with Mexico. Ronald Reagan first proposed a free trade agreement between the U.S. and Mexico in his 1980 presidential campaign. Since that time, The Heritage Foundation is proud of the role it has played in articulating President Reagan's vision of free trade in Latin America and around the world. Since the mid-1980s, Heritage analysts have been stressing that a free trade agreement with Mexico not only will stimulate economic growth in the U.S., but will make Mexico a more stable and prosperous country. Heritage has published over three dozen studies stressing the benefits of free trade in North America."

Source:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/TradeandForeignAid/EM371.cfm

You say you remember every detail of GATT and the WTO debate from 10 years ago but you know nothing of NAFTA, its inception, continued development or the many benefits provided to its members.

You and Lou Dobbs have a lot in common. I fully expect that you'll be linking us to the AFL-CIO website should you ever decide to defend your statements with some facts.

[meatloaf]

Meanwhile the French are arm-twisting a SE ASisan country that supplies cheap shrimp to the world. If they want to continue doing that to EU countries, they'll have to buy plastic planes from Airbus.

[1Old Pro]

I wish they, along with Japan, would tax lumber at another 50% or so. The domestic prices are outrageous given the international hunger for wood and the environuts here at home.

And frankly, there is NO reason for this. The supply is huge.

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

Reagan was for freer trade and first proposed a free trade agreement with Mexico in his 1980 campaign.

Actually, the NAFTA that Bush elder negotiated and Clinton pushed through was far different from the FT pact Reagan was negotiating. Nice try though.

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

See what I mean? Circular reasoning. Someone who believes Marx's theory is "coming true" is calling me a Marxist. And we've come a long way from "cars and durable goods" to "unfettered immigration

Well duh, I asked you numerous questions and you didn't give me the answers. you listed one set of data and failed to answer the othe questions. You just engaged in personal attacks. What do you expect?

[1rudeboy]

Trust me, I expect nothing from you.

[1rudeboy]

I fully expect that you'll be linking us to the AFL-CIO website should you ever decide to defend your statements with some facts.

He doesn't have the time.

[An.American.Expatriate]

Ah yes, the world according to the WTO:

US Subsidies = bad; Eu Subsidies = OK

Face it, the EU sunsidizes EVERY industry over here. The US, when it tries to allieviate the burden that it's domestic industry faces due to these subsidies is REPEATEDLY told by the EuWTO that we are not adhering to agreements.

The US has pretty much given up soveriegnty on trade matters, and likely will in other areas as well. It's long overdue that we cancel ALL of these agreements and restore the Constitutional Republic.

I seriously doucbt that I will ever see that day . . .

[kingsurfer]

Meanwhile the French are arm-twisting a SE ASisan country that supplies cheap shrimp to the world

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How so?