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FR | 4-1-05 | Bob J

Posted on 04/01/2005 9:51:33 PM PST by Bob J

For those of you who don’t know, Jim and the mods treat old timers a little different than newbies. They get a little more slack, a few more mulligans than those who signed up in last four years or so.

I always wondered if that was a good policy. After all, why should the crusty buggers be treated any differently than someone who signed up last week? Are they more intelligent, are their arguments more cohesive…persuasive? Do they have any more or less to contribute to this community we call the Free Republic? Not necessarily.

But they do have one thing new participants don’t and that is perspective. In a way us curmudgeons can help provide a sense of continuity and historical perspective to events that newcomers cannot. Sometimes, we are the glue the bridges Free Republic from one crisis to the next. I believe the recent Sciavo issue is one of those times so I am going to ante again and prove to Jim that his investment is worthy of it’s returns. I ask other old timers to chime in and pull their weight as well.

The Forum has a history of going through upheavels in terms of political philosophy and/or cultural standards, this is not unusual for a community such as outs. The first thing we need to understand is that the conservative movement is made up of many individuals with different motivations. For example, some are economic minded, some are culturally based, some are second amendment supporters and others view their vision on religious principles. Sometimes these differences can cause us to reevaluate our alliances. But that would be a mistake. The left is counting on us tearing ourselves apart from within for that is the very philosophy upon which their strategy is based…foment division and hatred then attack at the breach. It has worked well for them in the past and they count on it working again for them now and in the future.

My humble opinion and suggestion to all is in these times of contention and confusion, that we remind ourselves who the real enemy is and where the battles ought to be fought. On more than one occasion I have had firefights on FR with individuals who later I found myself sitting next to in a foxhole when we were fighting the real enemy…the militant left. I berated myself for some of the things I had posted and wished I could take them back. For here was my true brother or sister, sitting in the foxhole with me, taking hits with me, helping to lead the bravest charge at our direst moment. How could I have been so thoughtless in my moment of indulgence?

We may divided, on occasion, but let’s not lose sight of the fact that we are all brothers and sisters fighting the good fight against those who would enslave us and our children into bondage for generations. Argue the good argument, stand on principle, but let’s not forget we are all ultimately on the same team. The man or woman you trash today might be the brave soul who saves your behind tomorrow.

Let’s keep out eye on the ball.


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To: hole_n_one
You bring up an interesting point. Perhaps someday when I'm really bored, I'll run some statisical analysis of post titles and the effects they have on viewership. :-)

For me, I normally read the blurb before I decide to jump in, as titles can be pretty misleading.

I've really enjoyed the Opus threads today. Have noticed a definite decrease in Viking Kitty threads the past day or two. This is both good, and bad, as the VK threads can be really funny at times, but it also means the trolls have been directed elsewhere.

Regarding the historical tenor of the site, I figure folks have to take it all in stride. BBSs were the same way back in the day. An echo would have highs and lows of civility depending upon what was in the daily news. I found the same thing to be true on some of the unmoderated mailing lists I used to be a member of waaaaaaaaay back before this WWW thing took off, and the internet was all gopher, archie, veronica, and ftp.

People don't seem to change all that much. We'll be all hot and bothered about something and there will be much yelling, and gnashing of teeth, then things will calm down a bit. Some folks will leave, some will stay, and newbies will join in and invariably ask stupid questions :-)

I'm kind of glad I didn't spend much time on the Schievo(sp?) threads, as from what little I saw, it brought out some of the worst in people. I think that is because it is so easy to personalize the situation. Every one can imagine tragedy striking a loved one or even themselves. That makes the emotional atmosphere even more charged than it normally would be. This upsets folks who think that because civility seems to be at a low point, that it is going to stay that way forever, but it won't. I think this is true mainly because it is difficult to maintain the energy that it takes to be so emotionally charged all the time. People need time to regroup and recharge their batteries.

I'd also like to point out here that I've seen some really great posts recently about a number of topics. Several threads about the Pope were, for the most part, a joy to read. They were also sad, in many ways, but I some of the rememberances were pretty uplifting.

So, to any who read this post, cheer up. This site will change from day to day. Some days you'll like it. Some days you won't. Take it all in stride and overall, you'll benefit from it. Where else will you find a thread about William Wallace's sword, followed by a thread about dark matter?

101 posted on 04/01/2005 11:04:17 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
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To: alcuin
Are you asking me those queries, or just throwing them out, in general ?

You'll NEVER get a consensus of opinion as to which one was DFU's "worst" parody. :-)

102 posted on 04/01/2005 11:05:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: justshe
(The Trent Lott debacle was no fun around here either)

Oh, yeah, I had forgotten about that one! Come to think of it, the rise and fall (mostly the fall) of Newt was pretty acrimonious at one point...

How come the good old days seem to be so bad? LOL!!!

103 posted on 04/01/2005 11:06:37 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: AAABEST

Believe me, I'm definitely getting an education tonight.

Keep 'em coming folks: CC- 1 TC-2


104 posted on 04/01/2005 11:07:12 PM PST by hleewilder
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To: Bob J; satchmodog9

"Post as if you are talking to the thousands that will read you, not one numbskull."

This is a very great point!

I had this brought home to me the other night when I was in a constant conversation on one thread with 2-3 people who had difficulty applying plain logic to explain some people's actions. It was a long and difficult task and in the end - I wasn't sure I had made any headway. Like you said Bob, I was more focused on the 2-3 people than who else was reading what I said.

The following day I received a private message thanking me for persisting with my comments on a certain thread. They said, "I appreciate your efforts to keep pounding the truth - and I want you to know many others do too".

While I was busy focused on a few people, there were others cheering me on that I was not even aware of. While I've always believed a lot of people read these threads, this really brought it home to me.

We have to stop taking things so personally. Sometimes these people bait us just to watch us explode - it's a game - and we should stop allowing them to be in charge of the rules.


105 posted on 04/01/2005 11:07:22 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: nopardons; doug from upland
You'll NEVER get a consensus of opinion as to which one was DFU's "worst" parody. :-)

Oh man, that's cold!

lol!

106 posted on 04/01/2005 11:08:22 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: jveritas
Freepers who disagree with you on Hillary Clinton being "persistently evil" may have to take a very deep look at themselves and ask if they are real conservatives or in this regards if they are real freepers.

Exactly what I was going to post to him...you beat me to it.

107 posted on 04/01/2005 11:08:23 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Sun Soldier
Do you have to be a full blown conservative to be here on FR? I'm not... should I leave and never come back or what?

Oh, you will be, [He says sinisterly], you will be...

108 posted on 04/01/2005 11:08:27 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: CyberAnt

Bingo.


109 posted on 04/01/2005 11:09:39 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

Thank you for this wonderful post. It was eloquently stated and sorely needed.

I'm composing a response but I keep falling asleep. lol! If I don't make it back, I'll post it tomorrow.


110 posted on 04/01/2005 11:09:52 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Lancey Howard

Bumpt to that.


111 posted on 04/01/2005 11:10:22 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Sun Soldier

Absolutely not.


112 posted on 04/01/2005 11:12:13 PM PST by Howlin
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To: pbrown

Real freepers and real conservatives think alike :)


113 posted on 04/01/2005 11:12:37 PM PST by jveritas
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To: Bob J

Excellent words of wisdom Bob. During the furor of the last couple of weeks, it was distressing to see posters who normally would have been in agreement on many things rip each other apart. I wondered how it would be when this was all over. We now see a few leaving (or saying they are) disregarding the fact that we are on the same side in this fight for our lives.
Thank you for taking the time to put these words before us.


114 posted on 04/01/2005 11:13:12 PM PST by daybreakcoming ("Courage is being scared to death -- and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne)
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To: Bob J
Well said. The media has whipped "us" into a frenzy, what with the 3 ring circus we are constantly bombarded with. On one hand we have the freak show Michael Jackson trial, on the other we have poor Terri Schiavo being tortured to death thru starvation...meanwhile the threat of nuclear terrorism, the war in Iraq, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, a possible Lebanese civil war, Syria, Korean nukes, o my gosh the Pope is dying............

Take comfort from the words of Jesus the Christ. "Fear not...for I am with you always, even unto the end of the world"

115 posted on 04/01/2005 11:13:26 PM PST by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

***How come the good old days seem to be so bad? LOL!!!***

There is such a juxtaposition for "fools" today (at least it is still the 1st in my neck of the woods)----that we don't have to look too far for the answer to your question.

April 1. This is the day upon which we are reminded of what we are on the other three hundred and sixty-four. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson, 1894

Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a man to cease from strife and keep aloof from it, but every fool will quarrel.

We all have the potential to be quarreling fools. :-)


116 posted on 04/01/2005 11:14:18 PM PST by justshe (Become a monthly donor; eliminate Freepathons!)
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To: Bob J

"Right now I'm guessing signups '97-'00"



No kidding?
Does that make me an oldbie?

;o)

Good post.
Thank you.


117 posted on 04/01/2005 11:14:19 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: Sun Soldier
Do you have to be a full blown conservative to be here on FR? I'm not... should I leave and never come back or what?

Usually, when people say they're not a "full-blown conservative" it means they're liberal.
Being a little bit socialist, is like having a little bit of cancer.

118 posted on 04/01/2005 11:14:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lazamataz; DainBramage

This thread begs for your comments.

Or, maybe it doesn't.


119 posted on 04/01/2005 11:14:47 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: jveritas

Baloney.


120 posted on 04/01/2005 11:14:58 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Why?


121 posted on 04/01/2005 11:16:11 PM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas

Because there are a lot of different views on FR; we're not all either far right or mushy middle, but we're all Freepers.


122 posted on 04/01/2005 11:17:19 PM PST by Howlin
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the history lesson, but do you have something, I dunno, what's the word I'm looking for...oh, yeah, how about something RECENT that you can quote for us?

I mean, come on. Yes, you appear to have all the symptoms of a Theocratical Conservative. Congratulations, here's your sign.


123 posted on 04/01/2005 11:17:32 PM PST by hleewilder
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To: leadpenny

My gosh.......are you getting up? Is it that late?


124 posted on 04/01/2005 11:17:49 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Bob J

Amen!


125 posted on 04/01/2005 11:18:04 PM PST by Redcloak (But what do I know? I'm just a right-wing nut in his PJs whackin' on a keyboard..)
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To: Bob J

Thank you for posting this thread. Good job.


126 posted on 04/01/2005 11:18:22 PM PST by justshe (Become a monthly donor; eliminate Freepathons!)
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To: Howlin

AMEN!!!


127 posted on 04/01/2005 11:19:35 PM PST by justshe (Become a monthly donor; eliminate Freepathons!)
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To: Howlin
I see your general point and I agree with you. However as you know some so called freepers and conservatives are fine with voting for Hillary Clinton because she just mentioned she is going to do something about the illegal immigration issue.

Do you think that these are real freepers?

128 posted on 04/01/2005 11:20:48 PM PST by jveritas
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To: Howlin

Been watching Laurel and Hardy movies on TCM, and just had to see what you were doing.




129 posted on 04/01/2005 11:21:17 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: jveritas

Hell, they're not even real conservatives...........LOL.


130 posted on 04/01/2005 11:21:46 PM PST by Howlin
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To: leadpenny

Oh, thank goodness; I thought I had "done it again."

Night!


131 posted on 04/01/2005 11:22:10 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Exactly :)


132 posted on 04/01/2005 11:22:53 PM PST by jveritas
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To: Bob J; Eaker; TexasCowboy
I have had my most heated moments (boy, is that an understatement) with FReepers I know face-to-face.

Today, I trust them with my life.

133 posted on 04/01/2005 11:24:18 PM PST by Flyer ( http://dahtcom.com)
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To: AAABEST
The constitution - and Western civlization for that matter - would have been literally impossible without the bible.

THANK YOU.

134 posted on 04/01/2005 11:24:34 PM PST by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: hole_n_one

But true! LOL


135 posted on 04/01/2005 11:26:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Lancey Howard
I regard your two cents as being as important as any other two cents in the known universe.

If FR sleuths determined that you were posting from an UNknown universe, I would still regard those cents as important.

The POST is the thing.

Not where it came from.

136 posted on 04/01/2005 11:27:58 PM PST by alcuin ( I apologize for not being clear.getridofthateffinlooselipssinkshipsgesture)
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To: Bob J

Heartfelt BUMP


137 posted on 04/01/2005 11:28:30 PM PST by kanawa
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To: Bob J

Bump


138 posted on 04/01/2005 11:29:02 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: hleewilder

I guess you think Old Dead White Men (even the ones who actually wrote the Constitution and signed the Declaration of Indpendence) are irrelevant?

Is this recent enough for you? (I don't know the date of their famed history books, but it should be mid 20th century.)

Will and Ariel Durant
"Does history warrant the conclusion that religion is necessary to morality -- that a natural ethic is too weak to withstand the savagery that lurks under civilization and emerges in our dreams, crimes, and wars? ... There is no significant example in history, before our time, of a society successfully maintaining moral life without the aid of religion."


139 posted on 04/01/2005 11:29:22 PM PST by little jeremiah (The government is going down the drain to authorize the foul murder of innocent people.)
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To: Bob J

Great essay, Bob, if you'll accept the opinion of newbie. :)


140 posted on 04/01/2005 11:29:48 PM PST by Diver Dave (Stay Prayed Up)
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To: Bob J

The spirit unleashed by the Schiavo affair will destroy FR if it is not changed. And that will be a tragedy far beyond anything associated with an individual death.

I have had my share of calling names and name calling but that around this is much worse than anything I have ever seen here. The destruction of the influence of this site will be the Left's greatest victory in decades.

It MUST not be!


141 posted on 04/01/2005 11:30:01 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Howlin

I remember a time when "conservatives" prided themselves on always speaking logically. We were not ruled by our emotions----like the liberals were.

We may have been "passionate"....but rarely, if ever, did we attempt to make our point using emotions. Always FACTS...and we never spoke without cold hard proof for our POV. I learned by being challenged on more than one occasion...."source"..."what is your SOURCE?"

Then came a time....when all we heard was....we had to learn to fight dirty like the Dems or we would never win anything. We were much too nice.

I wonder how much crassness....dirty fighting....and name-calling....the "young'uns" have picked up during that transition. Emotions trumping logic.

We need to teach the "children" well...(HUGE GRIN!)...(from one grandma to another)


142 posted on 04/01/2005 11:31:42 PM PST by justshe (Become a monthly donor; eliminate Freepathons!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Aside from the legal action against FR, Hannity degrading this forum before millions of listening ears was at least on a par with all the other incidents you cited.

The only difference is that after having been subjected to that type of assault throughout the years and surviving it unscathed, FR may have justifiably become enraged at such a classless act, but realized, unlike before in it's infancy, that it's going to take a much, much bigger beast than a punk like Hannity to disrupt this forum in any permanent, negative way.

143 posted on 04/01/2005 11:32:11 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Graybeard58

LOL.


144 posted on 04/01/2005 11:32:38 PM PST by scott7278 ("Please disperse...there is nothing to see here.")
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To: little jeremiah
I guess you think...

Hold it. This is perfectly symptomatic of the real topic of this thread. We would be all better off if we would ask the other party what he or she thinks instead of telling them. It's almost always a mischaracterization, and it brings more heat than light.

Perhaps the discussion between you two might find a more appropriate place than this. No disrespect, just a suggestion.

145 posted on 04/01/2005 11:34:45 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Rca2000
Thank you and with your new attitude, you will NOT be yelled at as HEY NEWBIE, for long. :-)
146 posted on 04/01/2005 11:37:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

What I have seen here the last month is far worse than any of those incidents and I never agreed with those sentiments when expressed this is much different in that it has exposed a fanaticism of an extremely disturbing nature.

I didn't see those other things as affecting anything.


147 posted on 04/01/2005 11:37:32 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Thank you for that great historical perspective!


148 posted on 04/01/2005 11:39:50 PM PST by scott7278 ("Please disperse...there is nothing to see here.")
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To: Bob J
Late [had to work] but BUMP what he said!

[did I 'bump' wrong? I'm sort of new at this.....]

149 posted on 04/01/2005 11:41:36 PM PST by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: Lancey Howard

On all of that, we agree!


150 posted on 04/01/2005 11:41:50 PM PST by nopardons
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