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GOP Crack-Up? Pardon My Guffaw (Mark Steyn: Republicans "Did the Right Thing" re: Schiavo)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 4/03/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/03/2005 4:15:09 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Anyone would think it was the Republicans who'd lost the 2004 elections, and the 2002 elections, and the 2000 elections. From every corner, concerned "friends" of the party rise to offer "friendly" advice. Norman Lear, who produced all those critically acclaimed issue-confronting heroine-gets-an-abortion '70s sitcoms that seem a lot more dated than ''The Beverly Hillbillies'' these days, has now produced a People For the American Way ad in which a man who identifies himself as a "common sense Republican" objects to any attempt to end the Democratic filibuster of Bush's judicial nominees. As things turn out, the "common sense Republican" has so much common sense he's an official with a union that endorsed John Kerry.

Then there's the 59 striped-pants colossi of the Nixon-Ford-Reagan State Department who've sent a letter to the Senate calling on them to reject John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador. According to the Associated Press report, the signatories include:

"Princeton Lyman, ambassador to South Africa and Nigeria under Presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton; Monteagle Stearns, ambassador to Greece and Ivory Coast in the Ford, Carter and Reagan administrations; and Spurgeon Keeny Jr., deputy director of the Arms Control Agency in the Carter administration."

Princeton Lyman? Monteagle Stearns? Spurgeon Keeny Jr.? If Norman Lear's shows had wacky characters like that, they'd still be in syndication. It's a good rule of thumb that anything 59 economists, bureaucrats or diplomats are prepared to sign an open letter objecting to is by definition a good thing. But that goes double when the 59 panjandrums lined up against you are Princeton Monteagle Jr., President Nixon's ambassador to the Spurgeon Islands; Spurgeon Monkfish III, President Ford's ambassador to the Lyman Islands; Dartmouth Monticello IV, President Johnson's personal emissary to His Serene Highness the Monteagle of Keeny; Columbia Long-Playing-Album, the first diplomat to be named by President Carter to the State Department's Name Control Agency; and Vasser Peachy-Keeny, the first woman to be named Vasser Peachy-Keeny. One sees their point, of course: Let a fellow called "John" Bolton become ambassador and next thing you know Earl and Bud will want the gig.

Even Sen. John Danforth, who should know better, got in on the act, taking half a page in the New York Times to give the Full Monteagle to the "religious right." Blog maestro Andrew Sullivan decided that America was witnessing a "conservative crack-up" over Terri Schiavo and the embrace of her cause by extreme right wing fundamentalist theocrat zealots like, er, Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader. Sullivan was last predicting a "conservative crack-up" during the impeachment era, on the grounds (if I recall correctly) that Republican moralizing would dramatically cut into Strom Thurmond's share of the gay vote. In the '90s, the Weekly Standard ran innumerable special editions devoted to the subject: Conservative Crack-Up; Conservative Crack-Up 2; Conservative Crack-Up -- The Musical; Abbott And Costello Meet The Conservative Crack-Up; Conservative Crack-Up On Elm Street; Four Weddings And A Conservative Crack-Up; Rod Stewart Sings Timeless Favorites From The Great Conservative Crack-Up, etc.

The point to bear in mind when Hollywood producers, State Department diplomats, respected senators, gay mavericks, the New York Times and the rest of the media offer conservatives advice is a simple one: As that great self-esteem volume has it, He's Really Not That Into You. The preferred media Republican is an amiable loser: the ne plus ultra of GOP candidates was the late Fred Tuttle, the lame, wizened idiot dairy farmer put up for a joke against Sen. Patrick Leahy in Vermont. But, if they can't get that lucky, the media will gladly take a Bob Dole type, a decent old no-hoper who goes down to predictable defeat and gets rave reviews for being such a good loser. Republicans could well run into trouble in 2006 and 2008, but for being insufficiently conservative on things like immigration rather than for anything the media claim they're cracking up over.

The notion, for example, that poor Terri Schiavo will cost Republicans votes in a year and a half's time is ludicrous. The best distillation of the pro-Schiavo case was made by James Lileks, the bard of Minnesota, responding to the provocateur Christopher Hitchens' dismissal of her as a "non-human entity." "It is not wise," wrote Lileks, "to call people dead before they are actually, well, dead. You can be 'as good as dead' or 'brain dead' or 'close to death,' but if the heart beats and the chest rises, I think we should balk at saying this constitutes dead, period."

Just so. Once you get used to designating living, breathing bodies as "non-human entities," it's easy to bandy them ever more carelessly -- as they do in the eminently progressive Netherlands, where their relaxed attitude to pot and prostitution led to a relaxed attitude to euthanasia which looks like relaxing the Dutch people right out of business. It's all done quietly over there -- no fuss, no publicity; you go in to hospital with a heavy cold and you're carried out by the handles. (By "handles," I mean a coffin, not a ceremonial phalanx of Monteagles and Princetons.) But that's not the American way. This is a legalistic society, where grade schools can't have kids knocking a ball around without getting a gazillion dollars worth of liability insurance. I was in Price Chopper the other day and they had a little basket of Easter samples on display accompanied by a page of full print outlining the various sub-clauses of the company's "tasting policy." That's America. In Holland, you can taste a cookie without signing a legal waiver, and, if you get food poisoning from it, the doctor will discreetly euthanize you to avoid putting your family through the trauma of waiting six hours for the stomach pump to become available. That's not how the American cookie crumbles. Euthanasia here will be a 10-year court culminating in slow-motion public execution played out on the 24-hour cable channels.

The Republicans did the right thing here, and they won't be punished for it by the electors. As with abortion, this will be an issue where the public moves slowly but steadily toward the conservative position: Terri Schiavo's court-ordered death will not be without meaning. As to "crack-ups," that's only a neurotic way of saying that these days most of the intellectual debate is within the right. If, like the Democrats, all you've got are lockstep litmus tests on race and abortion and all the rest, what's to crack up over? You just lose elections every two years, but carry on insisting, as Ted Kennedy does, that you're still the majority party. Ted's quite a large majority just by himself these days, but it's still not enough.


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1 posted on 04/03/2005 4:15:09 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
BELIEVE IT OR NOT

Clearwater Bar Association 'recognized 'Judge George Greer for his decision to
execute Terri Schindler. They presented the John U. Bird award to the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit judge on May 15, 2004.
This prestigious award, which is the Clearwater bar's highest honor for a judge,
was granted to Judge Greer for the way he has handled himself in the Nazi fashion
(adopted by the Scientologists) of executing by dehydration and starvation while
the victim screams, as in the Terri Schiavo case!


Source 1



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2 posted on 04/03/2005 4:19:25 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I absolutely love Mark Steyn. Thanks for posting this!


3 posted on 04/03/2005 4:20:23 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
"Thanks to Kerry in his Hanoi Jane period,
Vietnam was a disaster for America
that gave the establishment a wholly irrational fear
of almost every ramshackle Third World basket case on the planet.
"
Mark Steyn


"(John Kerry's) default position is the conventional wisdom of the Massachusetts Left:
on foreign policy, foreigners know best;
on trade, the labour unions know best;
on government, bureaucrats know best;
on defence, graying ponytailed nuclear-freeze reflex anti-militarists know best;
on the wine list, he knows best.
"
Mark Steyn

4 posted on 04/03/2005 4:24:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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The Republicans did the right thing here, and they won't be punished for it by the electors.

Absolutely true.
Now maybe the so-called conservatives who have been intent to malign Tom DeLay will finally stop.

5 posted on 04/03/2005 4:25:36 AM PDT by jla
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To: Miss Marple

I love the way Mark Steyners the stoopid Left and their buds the Lefty-Repubs...he slices and dices as well as anyone.


6 posted on 04/03/2005 4:28:52 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Princeton Lyman? Monteagle Stearns? Spurgeon Keeny Jr.?

I initially thought Steyn was making up these names. Apparently not. Bwahahahaha.

7 posted on 04/03/2005 4:43:06 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

bttt


8 posted on 04/03/2005 4:48:52 AM PDT by lainde
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To: AmericaUnited
ping

Thought you and that vaunted 'WPPFF' might want to see this.

;-)

9 posted on 04/03/2005 4:59:31 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Steyn is exactly correct, and his wit and satire cut to the heart of the matter again.

Look at this revolting cartoon by Rex Babin that appeared in the Sacramento Bee.

What the Democrats and hard core liberals really feared was that this very public moral debate would expose their own lack of morals. They also feared that any Judeo-Christian aspect of this case regarding God's value of all life would spill out into the next court appointment battle.

The courts obliged in the Schiavo by reinforcing the Conservative position--that liberal judges are out of control and must be stopped.

10 posted on 04/03/2005 4:59:41 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
59 panjandrums

Worse than a loose cannon.

A wonderful mental picture of a very defective weapons system.

11 posted on 04/03/2005 5:02:49 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The Republicans did the right thing here, and they won't be punished for it by the electors.

And not just electors from their own party, either. Mark my words, there will be even more Dems voting Republican the next time around. I know fewer and fewer Dems who want anything to do with the Deathocrats.

12 posted on 04/03/2005 5:04:55 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Uncle Ted and his Boys are the ones cracking up. The legacy media's tune that voters will punish the GOP for being pro-life sounds a lot like whistling past the graveyard. C'mon now; if abortion was such a winning issue in this country, the Democrats wouldn't be talking about recruiting pro-life candidates. Its the party of choice that's made a political brouhaha out of the Terri Schiavo case. So who's really being indecent? Uncle Ted rode to his career on the back of a dead woman and his party now wants to imitate his example. Whatta way to go!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
13 posted on 04/03/2005 5:07:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The Republicans did the right thing here

Yes we did. We faught for justice but we did not win. That should be worth some distinction for those who really care and have a brain

14 posted on 04/03/2005 5:11:35 AM PDT by Once-Ler (I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America)
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To: Tom Bombadil

panjandrum
n : an important or influential (and often overbearing) person [syn: very important person, VIP, high-up, dignitary, high muckamuck]


15 posted on 04/03/2005 5:13:05 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Then there's the 59 striped-pants colossi of the Nixon-Ford-Reagan State Department who've sent a letter to the Senate calling on them to reject John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador.

Condi Rice should appoint one of these clowns as head of the visa section at our new consulate in Sagastyr, in the Lena River Delta country of the Sakha Republic of the Russian Federation.

He could serve as an example for the others. Then again, Siberia is a vast land and her people have long been without consular representation from the US State Department. If a citizen of Siberia wants to take a winter vacation in, say Florida, he has to travel thousands of miles just to apply for a tourist visa.

Maybe we need a string of consulates across northern Siberia. This could be a win-win, Siberians get easier access to warm American tourist destinations and the US gets a means of rewarding State Department officials with postings worthy of their talents and the degree of loyalty they have demonstrated to the United States.

16 posted on 04/03/2005 5:15:54 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: beyond the sea
that vaunted 'WPPFF'

Aren't those the folks always roaring about how Republicans 'eat their own', yet they have no qualms in vilifying Tom DeLay and other Republicans who spoke up for Terri Schiavo?

17 posted on 04/03/2005 5:18:40 AM PDT by jla
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To: SkyPilot

That cartoon would be equally correct if it showed "Lucifer's Left" feeding the "Democrats" !!! ;-))


18 posted on 04/03/2005 5:27:13 AM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: jla
that vaunted 'WPPFF'

Aren't those the folks always roaring about how Republicans 'eat their own', yet they have no qualms in vilifying Tom DeLay and other Republicans who spoke up for Terri Schiavo?

Yes, they are. The level of viciousness got so high at times, I had to look up at my URL address bar to make sure I wasn't on the Democrat Underground site. Intolerance to other's opinions,......a cold, scientific intelligensia elitism.......WE know better than you do.....

19 posted on 04/03/2005 5:33:24 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: alicewonders


20 posted on 04/03/2005 5:35:29 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The Republicans did the right thing here, and they won't be punished for it by the electors. As with abortion, this will be an issue where the public moves slowly but steadily toward the conservative position: Terri Schiavo's court-ordered death will not be without meaning. As to "crack-ups," that's only a neurotic way of saying that these days most of the intellectual debate is within the right. If, like the Democrats, all you've got are lockstep litmus tests on race and abortion and all the rest, what's to crack up over? You just lose elections every two years, but carry on insisting, as Ted Kennedy does, that you're still the majority party. Ted's quite a large majority just by himself these days, but it's still not enough.

He sums it up perfectly in this paragraph.

21 posted on 04/03/2005 5:41:02 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Diogenesis

Always err on the side of life. Republicans did the right thing to try to stop this murder - although I tend to think they didn't go far enough - but I don't want to start that discussion again. In the long run, it will help the Republican's cause & hurt the Dims.

Steyn is right, there were alot of liberals that were appalled by the Schiavo killing too. The polls were rigged & now the American people are slowly realizing that.


22 posted on 04/03/2005 5:42:31 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: All
As Mark Steyne points out so well, the moderates, liberals, lefttists keep trying to pass out the propaganda that if the GOP stands on principle for right-to-life issues, it will hurt them. We hear the same garbage from all of the OPUS writers and those threatening to write them.
23 posted on 04/03/2005 5:49:24 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly special: Will write OPUS's on a non-fee basis for all 'Activist Freepers')
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To: finnigan2

thanks for the definition.....clarification is needed.


24 posted on 04/03/2005 5:50:19 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberals believe in their good; a good that is void of honesty and character)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Norman Lear does endless replications of Archie Bunker conservatives and Mike "Meathead" Stivik liberals, cartoon representations no more realistic than the political caricatures of Ted Rall or Thomas Oliphant. The Lear enterprises have not presented an original thought since about the time of the Kennedy Administration, and that they stole from somebody else.


25 posted on 04/03/2005 5:54:28 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: All

I think a lot more disable people will be voting for the GOP.


26 posted on 04/03/2005 5:56:24 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The notion, for example, that poor Terri Schiavo will cost Republicans votes in a year and a half's time is ludicrous.

I cut up my 2005 RNC card and sent it back to the RNC with a note. I'm outta there! Jeb Bush was the last man to turn his back on Terri and walk away leaving her there to die a heinous death while her family was forced to watch helplessly in horror.

And Judge George Greer is a REPUBLICAN who was supported for re-election (not that long ago) by REPUBLICANS in that neck of the woods.

I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!! I have already re-registered "Decline to State".

I think whoever wrote this article doesn't have a lick of common sense.

27 posted on 04/03/2005 5:56:32 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy ("Where there's life, there's hope." Theresa Marie SCHINDLER)
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To: jla
that vaunted 'WPPFF'

Aren't those the folks always roaring about how Republicans 'eat their own', yet they have no qualms in vilifying Tom DeLay and other Republicans who spoke up for Terri Schiavo?

I haven't vilified anybody in Congress or the White House. I'm glad President Bush made that gesture in signing that bill requesting the judges take another look at evidence.

But I didn't particularly care for the act of judge shopping.

We've heard the indingation about activist judges...yet that's exactly what the GOP leadership was praying for. With 70% of the population of mind that the GOP overstepped their bounds, I hope we survive this display of political pandering.

28 posted on 04/03/2005 6:10:53 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: jla
Aren't those the folks always roaring about how Republicans 'eat their own', yet they have no qualms in vilifying Tom DeLay and other Republicans who spoke up for Terri Schiavo?

Yep, those are the ones. Aren't they rare birds? ;-)

29 posted on 04/03/2005 6:11:24 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

ping for later read


30 posted on 04/03/2005 6:12:30 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

As much as I am also disgusted by the events of the last 2 weeks, I can't afford to abstain from the fight. I will work from the inside, fighting tooth and nail to get reps who believe in life, and are willing to fight for it. If they don't, like the Specter's and Snow's of the government, then I will fight to get someone in there who will respect a constituent's wishes.


31 posted on 04/03/2005 6:23:45 AM PDT by Maigrey ("Sometimes, the Law is wrong, and it is morally imperative to change it.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

bttt


32 posted on 04/03/2005 6:28:21 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Maigrey

Good luck.


33 posted on 04/03/2005 6:28:51 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy ("Where there's life, there's hope." Theresa Marie SCHINDLER)
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To: jla

"Aren't those the folks always roaring about how Republicans 'eat their own', yet they have no qualms in vilifying Tom DeLay and other Republicans who spoke up for Terri Schiavo?"

And they're also on every Terri thread debating and posting their opposing opinions, (which of course they are allowed to do) and then complaining that their is no room on FR any more for dissention.

I just never understood that argument.


34 posted on 04/03/2005 6:44:26 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Member of the Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: Bahbah

These aristocratic-sounding surname-surnames were served up years ago by Edwin Newman in _Strictly Speaking_, when he published a list of college and university presidents with similar monikers. He proposed reading them out loud at parties to add to the jollification. My favorite was one `Forrest Brander Matthews'.

BTW, superb article by Mark Steyn. If the Dems had any sense (they don't) they would mark the forced death of Terri Schindler with the same words an English soldier cried out, when they burned Joan of Arc at the stake:

"We are lost! We have burned a saint!!"


35 posted on 04/03/2005 6:46:35 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Saundra Duffy
The few times in my life when I have worked for others I finally made a rule, never leave a job, no matter how hideous until you have another one in mind. I'm sort of in that position with the pubbies now, the past week has been enough to make one wish to leave, but where do you go?
36 posted on 04/03/2005 6:49:35 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: elcid1970

As I recall, Princeton Lyman, an insufferable arse and know-it-all, had brothers Yale and Stanford. Elitist? Nahh.


37 posted on 04/03/2005 6:52:45 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: gaspar
As I recall, Princeton Lyman, an insufferable arse and know-it-all, had brothers Yale and Stanford. Elitist? Nahh.

Just LOL. Thanks for sharing that.

38 posted on 04/03/2005 6:55:13 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Diogenesis

bttt


39 posted on 04/03/2005 6:56:51 AM PDT by Guenevere (Sola Gratia)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Right!! In a 2 party system you are giving half a vote to the Democrats. They want every conservative euthanized you will only help them!


40 posted on 04/03/2005 7:04:36 AM PDT by BillM
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"...that Republican moralizing would dramatically cut into Strom Thurmond's share of the gay vote.

HA HA HA! I need to go fishing with Mark Steyn:)

41 posted on 04/03/2005 7:06:39 AM PDT by BobS
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To: Saundra Duffy
Saundra..I thought about leaving the party over this also because it was such a hideous display of incompetence by everyone.

The only thing that brought me back to my senses was a visit to DU.

Try it..it will do wonders for realigning your allegiance.

Those people over there are not only self centered but morally bankrupt as well.

42 posted on 04/03/2005 7:37:50 AM PDT by Earthdweller (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER! Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: DCPatriot

So what's your answer? Just let people be starved to death? Is that what the Republican party should stand for? And I guess partial birth abortion is just a "choice" also? The Republicans didn't do enough to stop Terri's cold-blooded murder, but they did a whole lot more than the death party, didn't they?


43 posted on 04/03/2005 7:49:19 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Hahahaa, Mark Steyn nails it again!


44 posted on 04/03/2005 7:51:12 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: beyond the sea

You know what they say about turkeys...they drown when it rains. Not very intelligent creatures. Certain turkeys can go pluck themselves...


45 posted on 04/03/2005 7:53:28 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Certain turkeys can go pluck themselves...

Now, now ....

;-)

46 posted on 04/03/2005 8:01:08 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: mlc9852
There is one problem with what you assert.
We did not produce crowds of 20-50,000 people protesting at the hospice every night. Just like the Minutemen got what they wanted with only 1,500 volunteers we could have got what we wanted but with larger numbers at the hospice. Why it did not happen? I don't know, but that is part of the equation.
47 posted on 04/03/2005 8:03:46 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: DCPatriot
"With 70% of the population of mind that the GOP overstepped their bounds, "

That 70% is from 2 weeks ago. The numbers are changing fast in the latest polls.

48 posted on 04/03/2005 8:06:20 AM PDT by cookcounty (So just WHO bought insurance from Michael Schiavo's short-lived insurance company?)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE

No offense, but you sound like one of those wineey Democrats who vowed to leave the USA because GWB was re-elected.

I fought hard in support of Terri Shindler. I sent money to the Shindler's. I called govt. reps and asked to help save Terri.

I called talk radio over and over.

In short, I fought hard in support of life. I, and most others, would never abandon the party which exemplifies and represents life better than any other.

For those who are THAT willing to 'take your ball and go home,' I suggest you should look deep inside your own self to find what is really motivating you.

49 posted on 04/03/2005 8:09:19 AM PDT by Edit35
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The notion, for example, that poor Terri Schiavo will cost Republicans votes in a year and a half's time is ludicrous.

I agree. It will take a while for word of what really happened to Terri to spread.

Nancy Cruzan was *killed* years ago, yet I didn't know this until this month.

"[Nancy Cruzan, three days before her death from starvation] turned and looked at me and stared at me with a panicky look, sweating profusely, and the thought I had was, she was thinking, ‘Oh, here’s a policeman, he’ll help me.’ But we weren’t allowed to do that,"...Doug Seneker

*Michael's friend, "(Dr.Death") Cranford says it is all right to use the word "kill" when referring to physician assisted death.**

50 posted on 04/03/2005 8:11:38 AM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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