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GOP Crack-Up? Pardon My Guffaw (Mark Steyn: Republicans "Did the Right Thing" re: Schiavo)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 4/03/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/03/2005 4:15:09 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Anyone would think it was the Republicans who'd lost the 2004 elections, and the 2002 elections, and the 2000 elections. From every corner, concerned "friends" of the party rise to offer "friendly" advice. Norman Lear, who produced all those critically acclaimed issue-confronting heroine-gets-an-abortion '70s sitcoms that seem a lot more dated than ''The Beverly Hillbillies'' these days, has now produced a People For the American Way ad in which a man who identifies himself as a "common sense Republican" objects to any attempt to end the Democratic filibuster of Bush's judicial nominees. As things turn out, the "common sense Republican" has so much common sense he's an official with a union that endorsed John Kerry.

Then there's the 59 striped-pants colossi of the Nixon-Ford-Reagan State Department who've sent a letter to the Senate calling on them to reject John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador. According to the Associated Press report, the signatories include:

"Princeton Lyman, ambassador to South Africa and Nigeria under Presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton; Monteagle Stearns, ambassador to Greece and Ivory Coast in the Ford, Carter and Reagan administrations; and Spurgeon Keeny Jr., deputy director of the Arms Control Agency in the Carter administration."

Princeton Lyman? Monteagle Stearns? Spurgeon Keeny Jr.? If Norman Lear's shows had wacky characters like that, they'd still be in syndication. It's a good rule of thumb that anything 59 economists, bureaucrats or diplomats are prepared to sign an open letter objecting to is by definition a good thing. But that goes double when the 59 panjandrums lined up against you are Princeton Monteagle Jr., President Nixon's ambassador to the Spurgeon Islands; Spurgeon Monkfish III, President Ford's ambassador to the Lyman Islands; Dartmouth Monticello IV, President Johnson's personal emissary to His Serene Highness the Monteagle of Keeny; Columbia Long-Playing-Album, the first diplomat to be named by President Carter to the State Department's Name Control Agency; and Vasser Peachy-Keeny, the first woman to be named Vasser Peachy-Keeny. One sees their point, of course: Let a fellow called "John" Bolton become ambassador and next thing you know Earl and Bud will want the gig.

Even Sen. John Danforth, who should know better, got in on the act, taking half a page in the New York Times to give the Full Monteagle to the "religious right." Blog maestro Andrew Sullivan decided that America was witnessing a "conservative crack-up" over Terri Schiavo and the embrace of her cause by extreme right wing fundamentalist theocrat zealots like, er, Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader. Sullivan was last predicting a "conservative crack-up" during the impeachment era, on the grounds (if I recall correctly) that Republican moralizing would dramatically cut into Strom Thurmond's share of the gay vote. In the '90s, the Weekly Standard ran innumerable special editions devoted to the subject: Conservative Crack-Up; Conservative Crack-Up 2; Conservative Crack-Up -- The Musical; Abbott And Costello Meet The Conservative Crack-Up; Conservative Crack-Up On Elm Street; Four Weddings And A Conservative Crack-Up; Rod Stewart Sings Timeless Favorites From The Great Conservative Crack-Up, etc.

The point to bear in mind when Hollywood producers, State Department diplomats, respected senators, gay mavericks, the New York Times and the rest of the media offer conservatives advice is a simple one: As that great self-esteem volume has it, He's Really Not That Into You. The preferred media Republican is an amiable loser: the ne plus ultra of GOP candidates was the late Fred Tuttle, the lame, wizened idiot dairy farmer put up for a joke against Sen. Patrick Leahy in Vermont. But, if they can't get that lucky, the media will gladly take a Bob Dole type, a decent old no-hoper who goes down to predictable defeat and gets rave reviews for being such a good loser. Republicans could well run into trouble in 2006 and 2008, but for being insufficiently conservative on things like immigration rather than for anything the media claim they're cracking up over.

The notion, for example, that poor Terri Schiavo will cost Republicans votes in a year and a half's time is ludicrous. The best distillation of the pro-Schiavo case was made by James Lileks, the bard of Minnesota, responding to the provocateur Christopher Hitchens' dismissal of her as a "non-human entity." "It is not wise," wrote Lileks, "to call people dead before they are actually, well, dead. You can be 'as good as dead' or 'brain dead' or 'close to death,' but if the heart beats and the chest rises, I think we should balk at saying this constitutes dead, period."

Just so. Once you get used to designating living, breathing bodies as "non-human entities," it's easy to bandy them ever more carelessly -- as they do in the eminently progressive Netherlands, where their relaxed attitude to pot and prostitution led to a relaxed attitude to euthanasia which looks like relaxing the Dutch people right out of business. It's all done quietly over there -- no fuss, no publicity; you go in to hospital with a heavy cold and you're carried out by the handles. (By "handles," I mean a coffin, not a ceremonial phalanx of Monteagles and Princetons.) But that's not the American way. This is a legalistic society, where grade schools can't have kids knocking a ball around without getting a gazillion dollars worth of liability insurance. I was in Price Chopper the other day and they had a little basket of Easter samples on display accompanied by a page of full print outlining the various sub-clauses of the company's "tasting policy." That's America. In Holland, you can taste a cookie without signing a legal waiver, and, if you get food poisoning from it, the doctor will discreetly euthanize you to avoid putting your family through the trauma of waiting six hours for the stomach pump to become available. That's not how the American cookie crumbles. Euthanasia here will be a 10-year court culminating in slow-motion public execution played out on the 24-hour cable channels.

The Republicans did the right thing here, and they won't be punished for it by the electors. As with abortion, this will be an issue where the public moves slowly but steadily toward the conservative position: Terri Schiavo's court-ordered death will not be without meaning. As to "crack-ups," that's only a neurotic way of saying that these days most of the intellectual debate is within the right. If, like the Democrats, all you've got are lockstep litmus tests on race and abortion and all the rest, what's to crack up over? You just lose elections every two years, but carry on insisting, as Ted Kennedy does, that you're still the majority party. Ted's quite a large majority just by himself these days, but it's still not enough.


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To: Bahbah

He's NOT?? Those are real names? Hahahahhaa.


51 posted on 04/03/2005 8:28:39 AM PDT by bboop
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To: mewzilla
And not just electors from their own party, either. Mark my words, there will be even more Dems voting Republican the next time around. I know fewer and fewer Dems who want anything to do with the Deathocrats.

It is merely anecdotal, but I spoke with a conservative lady who grew up reflexively voting for Democrats but has voted Republican recently because, like Senator Miller, today's party was no longer the Democratic party she recognized.

She was livid with anger about the starvation of poor Mrs. Schiavo; I don't think the Democrats can reckon on getting another for vote from her for county dog-catcher after their performance in this case.

[In fairness, I should have pointed out that Republicans in the Florida senate were disappointing on this issue, but the larger point that nationally the Democrats were indeed in the pro-death camp and the Republicans were not makes that point only a note for the sake of completeness. Indeed, there were a number of Democrats who were not in the pro-death camp, including Florida Senator Al Lawson.]

52 posted on 04/03/2005 8:30:06 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: bboop

You will enjoy post #35 I think.


53 posted on 04/03/2005 8:31:41 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Maigrey

Yes, we must fight on and never give up. It is imperative. Opting-out is not an option.


54 posted on 04/03/2005 8:32:15 AM PDT by bboop
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

As usual Mark is right on target.

It isn't just the liberals who spend 24/7/365 predicting or announcing the end of the Republicans. The walk on the water conservatives, one issue conservatives and the Rinos who claim to be Republicans post that bs every day on Free Republic.

I have seen probably a thousand such posts in my short time on Free Republic blaming the Republicans for everything from being too weak to too strong. Of course the usual FR jackals/Rinos descend on these threads with the same Doom and Gloom replies. Of course GW is usually the end target of all of the Glooming and Dooming.

Well, it didn't happen and isn't happening.


55 posted on 04/03/2005 8:32:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Earthdweller; Saundra Duffy

http://www.constitutionparty.com


56 posted on 04/03/2005 8:33:10 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Pokey78
As to "crack-ups," that's only a neurotic way of saying that these days most of the intellectual debate is within the right.

He's got that right.

57 posted on 04/03/2005 8:36:22 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: mlc9852
Yes, the Republican party acted honorably in disrupting their Easter recess to come to the aid of Theresa Schindler-Schiavo. And I am proud of our Party and President.

Once the Florida courts said "NO", however, the focus should be to re-write the LAW that would address this type of circumstance.

BTW, I don't recall the outrage when Karen Quinlan dominated the headlines.

58 posted on 04/03/2005 8:37:40 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: DCPatriot

"I haven't vilified anybody in Congress or the White House. I'm glad President Bush made that gesture in signing that bill requesting the judges take another look at evidence."

You don't sound like wppff, Delay was mocked and jeered for "grandstanding" and President Bush was sneered at for leaving his vacation.



59 posted on 04/03/2005 8:38:14 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

bump


60 posted on 04/03/2005 8:39:35 AM PDT by lilmsdangrus (hard work musta hurt somebody, somewhere....)
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To: DCPatriot

I wasn't on Free Republic when Karen Quinlan was in the news so I can't answer that. Maybe laws do need to be changed, but more importantly, current laws need to be followed. I work for lawyers and they agree Michael should have been removed as guardian when he admitted to openly living with another woman and having children with her. To me, that's the bottom line and had that been done as required by law, Terri would probably still be alive.


61 posted on 04/03/2005 8:41:33 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Just mythoughts
I am only in the WPPFF because of the attacks by the sanctimonious religious wing of Freeperland toward anyone with a moderate view.

We are willing to discuss and debate without being labeled Nazis.

62 posted on 04/03/2005 8:42:16 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

Steyn ping!


63 posted on 04/03/2005 8:45:33 AM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: DCPatriot
"I am only in the WPPFF because of the attacks by the sanctimonious religious wing of Freeperland toward anyone with a moderate view.
We are willing to discuss and debate without being labeled Nazis."

Yes I read what the moderate nobles are most concerned with.

They have a paralyzing fear of having their noble reputations tainted.
64 posted on 04/03/2005 8:45:42 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: cookcounty

I would have been one of the 70%. The reason is that the phrase " Persistent Vegetative State " was always used in describing her condition, and was used in the often quoted poll.
When the video her parents took of her, was finally shown on TV, ( in violation of a court order, I believe. ) I instantly realized that I had been duped. What we have here is nothing short of a conspiracy to commit murder. A killing for convenience.
My " Advance Directive ( Living Will ) " on file at the VA hospital will be cancelled at my next visit.


65 posted on 04/03/2005 8:48:14 AM PDT by shagbark
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the ping "BTTT"!


66 posted on 04/03/2005 8:49:27 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Just mythoughts
Yes I read what the moderate nobles are most concerned with.

They have a paralyzing fear of having their noble reputations tainted.

No, we have a paralyzing fear that Newt's victory of '94 and the subsequent increases we've enjoyed in the Congress have been destroyed by the bible thumpers...present company hopefully excepted.

67 posted on 04/03/2005 8:52:19 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: DCPatriot
Hey if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

A huge part of the republican party is the religious wing with very strong convictions.

The passion and emotion displayed here recently are evidence of those convictions.

If our party can not take serious debate among us then we might as well drink Koolaid.

My thoughts are that the Republican's will hold together not despite our heated debates but because we have the flexibility and strength to allow them.

68 posted on 04/03/2005 8:55:00 AM PDT by Earthdweller (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER! Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: Pokey78
WOOHOO!! Another Homerun!!

As usual thanks for the *PING* Pokey78

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

69 posted on 04/03/2005 8:57:47 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: mlc9852
I wasn't on Free Republic when Karen Quinlan was in the news so I can't answer that. Maybe laws do need to be changed, but more importantly, current laws need to be followed. I work for lawyers and they agree Michael should have been removed as guardian when he admitted to openly living with another woman and having children with her. To me, that's the bottom line and had that been done as required by law, Terri would probably still be alive.

No one was. It was in 1976. Karen Ann Quinlan was in a coma and was on a respirator. I believe her mother AND the hospital petitioned the court to allow the respirator to be turned off and they did not want to face murder charges. At no time was nutrition and hydration deprivation mentioned. She lived for 9 years after her respirator was removed, never regaining consciousness.

At the time, many expressed their desire not to be in the same position. And probably would again today if they saw it on the news.

But, the case was NOTHING like Terri's, in that she was not conscious and starvation/dehydration was not considered.

70 posted on 04/03/2005 9:00:56 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Exactly. Good post!


71 posted on 04/03/2005 9:00:58 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Abby4116

I know about the case - I just meant we didn't have the same communications (internet) in 1976 and if we had, things probably would have been like Terri's case. Starving and dehydrating a person can never be right.


72 posted on 04/03/2005 9:05:30 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: DCPatriot
"No, we have a paralyzing fear that Newt's victory of '94 and the subsequent increases we've enjoyed in the Congress have been destroyed by the bible thumpers...present company hopefully excepted."


There are plenty who use the Bible for their own thumping, some even referred to the Bible as reason for Mike supposed status as husband.

Bible thumping is an equal opportunity, those thumpers don't scare me cause I took the time to find out for myself what is written. That gets me called 'self-righetous', name calling has been a plenty on all sides.
73 posted on 04/03/2005 9:06:14 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Earthdweller
Hey if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

If by "heat" you mean hatred, bigotry and ad hominem attacks, we did. We welcome anyone to discuss this..however, for our own "safety" we've been relegated to the smokey back room. ;^)

A huge part of the republican party is the religious wing with very strong convictions.

Not that "huge" IMO. I'm describing the voter who can't have a simple conversation without mentioning "god". Those IMO are the most dangerous to what should be the number one priority...getting consevative judges appointed.

The passion and emotion displayed here recently are evidence of those convictions.

You misspelled hatred and bigotry, IMO.

If our party can not take serious debate among us then we might as well drink Koolaid.

Calling a fellow Republican a Nazi and Pro-death, etc., is not serious debate, IMO.

My thoughts are that the Republican's will hold together not despite our heated debates but because we have the flexibility and strength to allow them.

...obviously not here in FreeRepublic forum however.

74 posted on 04/03/2005 9:08:44 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: Just mythoughts
"....name calling has been a plenty on all sides."

Agreed.

So let's call it even and get on with it.

75 posted on 04/03/2005 9:10:53 AM PDT by Earthdweller (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER! Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: Earthdweller

Hey fine by me, but it doesn't sound like the pity party is over for some.


76 posted on 04/03/2005 9:12:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: DCPatriot
Ok..I know who you are referring to. I saw some of those posts..but you can't lump all the religious into one category.

That's like saying all businessmen are corrupt, etc.

77 posted on 04/03/2005 9:15:16 AM PDT by Earthdweller (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER! Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: Saundra Duffy
I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!! I have already re-registered "Decline to State".

You left the GOP? Okay, then.

See ya! And I wouldn't want to be ya.


78 posted on 04/03/2005 9:15:42 AM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: mlc9852

If starving and dehydration had come into it, yes, it probably would have been the same. But she obviously continued to have food and water for those 9 additional years.


79 posted on 04/03/2005 9:15:47 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: jla
Aren't those the folks always roaring about how Republicans 'eat their own', yet they have no qualms in vilifying Tom DeLay and other Republicans who spoke up for Terri Schiavo?

Why no, in fact they aren't.

80 posted on 04/03/2005 9:19:46 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: alicewonders

You're thinking of another group OR you are intentionally bearing false witness. It is not the WPPFF that is vicious, but your post typifies why the thread started.


81 posted on 04/03/2005 9:21:22 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The Republicans did the right thing here, and they won't be punished for it by the electors.

I think Mr. Steyn is correct. I think that the only significant decamp we will see based on Mrs. Schiavo's case will be Democrats who leave their party because of revulsion at its handling of this case. Republicans will recognize that their party took the right side, particularly at the national level, even if their stance did not prevail.

82 posted on 04/03/2005 9:21:34 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: beyond the sea

Why are you maligning a group of freepers knowing what you say is false?

How sad.


83 posted on 04/03/2005 9:22:55 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Just mythoughts

You take two issues and smoosh them together and falsely call them one and the same.

Stop it.


84 posted on 04/03/2005 9:27:38 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: alicewonders
Yes, they are. The level of viciousness got so high at times, I had to look up at my URL address bar to make sure I wasn't on the Democrat Underground site. Intolerance to other's opinions,......a cold, scientific intelligensia elitism.......WE know better than you do.....

I could be wrong, but, what you described here sounds just like FR's evolutionists to me.


85 posted on 04/03/2005 9:27:53 AM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: Pokey78
Was this already in Today's Toons? The artist captures Michael perfectly.


86 posted on 04/03/2005 9:28:46 AM PDT by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail the Evil War Monkey King, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: Earthdweller

Seems to me most of us stand the heat just fine and that seems to bother you a LOT.

LOL


87 posted on 04/03/2005 9:29:13 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper

Hey..I'm still here. Heat is what I live for..go for it. :^)


88 posted on 04/03/2005 9:31:37 AM PDT by Earthdweller (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER! Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: DCPatriot

My main problem in addition to the massive bearing of false witness against others (calling pro-life freepers pro-death) is/was the wholesale rejection of documentation about certain aspects of the saga in favor of vicious rumor-mongering and ever escalating exchanges on the evilness of certain players vs the sainthood on the other side.


89 posted on 04/03/2005 9:31:57 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: DCPatriot
I must have missed the acronym thread. What the heck is WPPFF?
90 posted on 04/03/2005 9:32:26 AM PDT by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail the Evil War Monkey King, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: hattend
That cartoon incites hatred for a man who supposedly tried to get Terri Schiavo therapy and aggressive medical treatment for SEVEN YEARS.

After 15 years, somebody comes along and says she reacted to stimuli?

So what....so does my peace lilly.

91 posted on 04/03/2005 9:33:55 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Maybe we need a string of consulates across northern Siberia. This could be a win-win,

You mean we don't have any?? Long overdue move! LOL!

92 posted on 04/03/2005 9:33:59 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Just mythoughts

Oh yes, characterizing someone who has been vilified (falsely and baselessly) who then arrives to present facts as engaging in a pity party is so "right".

LOL


93 posted on 04/03/2005 9:34:39 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: hattend

WPPFF = Witness Protection Program for Freepers.


94 posted on 04/03/2005 9:35:52 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: Earthdweller
but you can't lump all the religious into one category. That's like saying all businessmen are corrupt, etc.

Heed your own words and stop lumping the WPPFF as of one mind on the subject.

95 posted on 04/03/2005 9:35:52 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: alicewonders
The polls were rigged & now the American people are slowly realizing that.

You're right -- as the facts seep out to those who depended on the MSM.

96 posted on 04/03/2005 9:37:06 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Earthdweller

You're here, we're here. You're the one who threw out the "if you can't stand the heat" comment.


97 posted on 04/03/2005 9:38:40 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper; sinkspur; Howlin; Peach; Wolfstar; mercy; tiamat

You're a great freeper, cyncooper. Thanks for all your input and support on this topic.


98 posted on 04/03/2005 9:39:23 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

bttt


99 posted on 04/03/2005 9:42:43 AM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: hattend

Some of us landed on a thread about how Terri Schiavo was going to die on Good Friday and it was part of a Satanic plot when a good freeper posted a sensible post that many of us were pinged to about how FR looked and felt at the time.

From there a discussion of the prevailing emotional atmosphere on FR ensued and many of us were in agreement that it was different than usual. While we were not in agreement on the Terri Schiavo case (many were against removing the feeding tube, some were for the court decisions, some a mix) we all agreed the discussion could take place without the vitriol and baseless attacks we all had witnessed.

So, somehow this civil discussion that developed got thrown in the Smoky Backroom. It was fine, we decided, because many of us agreed that venturing out to the main forum was just plain weird at that time.

Then someone coined the phrase Witness Protection Program For Freepers because many felt like persona non grata in Freeperland, relegated to a smoky backroom and conversations with freepers we thought we "knew" out in the main forum had entered the Twilight Zone.

So, after a couple days on the original bizarrely titled thread a freeper posted another thread in the SBR and there it is.

Now the "group" (hundreds of various minded freepers on the whole range of the Schiavo matter) are constantly mischaracterized (in the fashion that drove the formation of the thread) as "pro-death" and anti-Republican,etc.

It is simply an effort to engage the discussion on the level we are used to and not the DU tone that these threads unfortunately have a tendency to take on.


100 posted on 04/03/2005 9:48:25 AM PDT by cyncooper
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