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Revealed: The softer, caring side of the marauding Viking
Scotsman ^ | Thu 7 Apr 2005 | EDWARD BLACK

Posted on 04/07/2005 12:46:37 AM PDT by nickcarraway

FAR from their marauding, pillaging stereotypes, Viking warriors were homemakers who couldn’t wait to ship their wives over to settle the lands they had conquered, new research reveals.

Scientists studying Scots of Viking ancestry in Shetland and Orkney have discovered that there must have been far more Viking women in the Dark Ages settlements than originally thought.

However, it appears that Viking wives refused to go deeper into Scotland, with little evidence they made it as far as the Western Isles.

Researchers from Oxford University took DNA samples from 500 residents of Shetland using a toothbrush to extract some of their saliva. The scientists were able to identify genetic traits in the Scots which they share with modern day Scandinavian populations.

By examining two elements of DNA, one that is passed from father to son and one passed down the female lineages, they could work out the gender balance of the original Viking populations. They could also compare it to results of other studies conducted in the Western Isles.

Dr Sara Goodacre, who conducted the research with colleagues from Oxford University, said: "We looked at the population of the Shetland and Orkney Islands and compared it to the source population of Scandinavia to show the migration patterns of men and women. Contrary perhaps to people’s image of Vikings, we did find evidence of a lot of females outside Scandinavia. Viking family groups were much more evident in such places as Orkney and Shetland.

"The genetic balance becomes much more male orientated the further away from Scandinavia you move to such places as the Western Isles. Colonial strongholds would have been more secure the closer to home they were."

The evidence has been disputed by archaeologists, but some experts say it could explain why the Norse language did not spread further west during the Viking occupation.

Dr Mary MacLeod, an archeologist who specialises on the Western Isles, said there was evidence from burial sites in the area of Viking female settlers.

She said: "There has been work on the Viking heritage of these islands which found a burial ground of people from Oslo fjords which included women as well as men. There has been more research conducted on the Viking legacy in Shetland and such places so more studies are required here."

Ian Tait, the assistant curator at Shetland Museum, added: "As 97 per cent of place names here are Scandinavian in origin they must have settled. Whether they killed or assimilated peacefully with the inhabitants remains a source of debate."

Alex Woolf, a lecturer at the University of St Andrews, said: "The way that the Norse language did not spread south of Mull and Ardnamurchan also backs up this DNA theory of Viking migration. In northern Scotland, Norse took hold, suggesting that male Vikings moved over with their families."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: archaeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; vikings

1 posted on 04/07/2005 12:46:38 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Edmund Blackadder on World War I:

"A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of All The Vikings, accidentally ordered eighty thousand battle helmets with the horns on the inside."
2 posted on 04/07/2005 1:26:55 AM PDT by Mongeaux
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To: nickcarraway

My own last name is apparently of Norman (Viking) origin. I spent a year in Iceland courtesy of Uncle Sam and I feel sure that the women in other lands paled in comparison to what the Vikings left at home. No wonder they would want their wives to come along as soon as possible.
Before someone mentions the beauties in other lands such as England and Scotland just remember that there is now a fairly high proportion of Viking genes in those populations.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 3:19:30 AM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: RipSawyer; Mongeaux

"...It has been speculated, half seriously, that there are more foreigners here than at any time since the Vikings pillaged Ireland in the 9th century. (Laughter.) I guess I ought to warn you -- you know, whenever a delegation of Congressmen comes to Ireland they all claim to be Irish -- and in a certain way they all are -- but one of the members of the delegation here, Congressman Hoyer, who has been a great friend of the peace process, is in fact of Viking heritage, descent. (Laughter.) Stand up, Steny. (Applause.) Now, all the rest of us come here and pander to you and tell you we love Ireland because there is so much Irish blood running in our veins. He comes here and says he loves Ireland because there is so much of his blood running in your veins. (Laughter and applause.) ..." - Clinton talking about Hoyer's viking ancestry during a Sept 2, 1998 speech to Gateway employees in Ireland.


4 posted on 04/07/2005 3:45:33 AM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: nickcarraway
I think most archaeologists outside Great Britain believe the Vikings annihilated the population of Orkney before colonizing it. I read an article about this period that described finding the bodies of a family of Picts in a trash midden.
5 posted on 04/07/2005 3:57:44 AM PDT by Varda
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To: SunkenCiv

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6 posted on 04/07/2005 12:45:00 PM PDT by blam
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7 posted on 04/07/2005 10:49:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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The women and children went along when settlement was the goal. Eric the Red's daughter is said to have thought there were too many women around on, hmm, Greenland I think, and asked her husband to kill the women of the other group. He refused, so she nabbed his sword during the night, and went and killed the other women as everyone slept. Maybe getting in touch with one's feminine side isn't that great an idea sometimes. ;') And now, for something completely different:

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8 posted on 04/07/2005 11:09:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wife: (screaming) "I don't want ANY spam!"

Vikings: "Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!"

9 posted on 04/07/2005 11:21:53 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: dread78645

"Bloody Vikings!"


10 posted on 04/07/2005 11:24:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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  Posted by blam
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Revealed: The softer, caring side of the marauding Viking
  Posted by nickcarraway
On News/Activism  04/07/2005 12:46:37 AM PDT · 9 replies · 361+ views


Scotsman | Thu 7 Apr 2005 | EDWARD BLACK
FAR from their marauding, pillaging stereotypes, Viking warriors were homemakers who couldnít wait to ship their wives over to settle the lands they had conquered, new research reveals. Scientists studying Scots of Viking ancestry in Shetland and Orkney have discovered that there must have been far more Viking women in the Dark Ages settlements than originally thought. However, it appears that Viking wives refused to go deeper into Scotland, with little evidence they made it as far as the Western Isles. Researchers from Oxford University took DNA samples from 500 residents of Shetland using a toothbrush to extract some of...
 

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11 posted on 04/07/2005 11:33:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I had heard that Viking men would make trips to Ireland specifically to steal pretty women to take back home.


12 posted on 04/07/2005 11:50:33 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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  Posted by blam
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Vikings/Norse in Minnesota
  Posted by DoloresCobbPhifer
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13 posted on 04/07/2005 11:52:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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those last two, identical and posted by DoloresCobbPhifer, point to this:

Did the Vikings Stay? Vatican Files May Offer Clues
Source: The New York Times
Published: December 19, 2000 Author: WALTER GIBBS
Posted on 12/19/2000 05:26:52 PST by sarcasm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3f621c380f.htm


14 posted on 04/07/2005 11:53:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: ValerieUSA

Quit braggin', you red-haired beauty.


15 posted on 04/07/2005 11:54:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

*L* Men tell me anything, and I usually fall for it.


16 posted on 04/08/2005 12:08:03 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

Nah, it's just that I'm so charming, unlike those other oafs. ;')


17 posted on 04/08/2005 12:13:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Deviance or rebellion without consequences is conformity.)
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To: RipSawyer

I spent several weeks in Denmark in 1981 and was astounded.


18 posted on 04/08/2005 8:06:07 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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19 posted on 01/24/2006 10:11:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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20 posted on 08/09/2008 11:15:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: RipSawyer

Most English women are a-s ugly, and skanky to boot. I agree with you about the ladies in Iceland, however.


21 posted on 08/09/2008 11:16:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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