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Congressman Billybob's Speech at Today's March for Justice II
Special to FreeRepublic | 04/07/05 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 04/07/2005 5:29:30 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: Constitution Day
Hey, thanks for the info and help. It was my daughter's idea to make this web page. I thought this would be an easy way to post our pic with JimRob. I didn't want to eat up too much band width with my personal post, so I just posted our personal pic. I figured there'd be a heck of a lot more pics anyway from other freepers.

I hope it didn't cause any hassles with management.

:( SOT

151 posted on 04/09/2005 11:23:41 AM PDT by SlightOfTongue
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To: swilhelm73
There were a number of city-states like Athens, for instance, which were called democracies. However in Athens only free, native-born, Athenian males were allowed to vote, so the franchise extended to about 10% of the population. Iceland was the only country to have a general franchise and elected governments without a king or other dictator, prior to the establishment of the US government.

John / Billybob
152 posted on 04/09/2005 12:11:59 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Abby4116
Thank you. As Felicity says, I scrub up nice in public (sometimes).

John / Billybob
153 posted on 04/09/2005 12:16:12 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Jerez2
As the speech notes, it is a two-step process. I expect Scalia to be named to replace Rehnquist as Chief Justice. THEN, Scalia will need to be replaced as Associate Justice. Under the 220-year-old tradition, the Chief is confirmed separately from the Justices.

John / Billybob
154 posted on 04/09/2005 12:23:26 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: YepYep
Glad to see you lead your post with the excellent quote from The American Crisis I by Thomas Paine. Those words, freshly written, were recited to General Washington's troops, just days before their all-important first victory over the Hessians at Trenton, N.J., on Christmas Day, 1776.

I have an affinity for that passage because it is the lead paragraph in my next book (on Paine), entitled, These are the times that try men's souls."

John / Billybob

155 posted on 04/09/2005 12:27:40 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Huck
See earlier post. If Scalia replaces Rehnquist as Chief Justice, then another Associate Justice will have to be named to replace Scalia. It may look odd at first glance, but it is correct.

John / Billybob
156 posted on 04/09/2005 12:30:03 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

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157 posted on 04/09/2005 4:11:13 PM PDT by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob

You have FReepmail...


158 posted on 04/10/2005 6:05:10 AM PDT by YepYep
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To: Congressman Billybob

Congressman Billybob: Thank you for writing and presenting this excellent and well thought out speech.

While I generally agree with the pretext of your speech, that there is a serious problem with our judiciary, I must disagree with your conclusions. I agree that we are in desperate need of change in the judicial...that is to say...unelected branch of government. The problem is that your solutions are well, fairly timid. And in the long run will merely nibble at the margins of the problem rather than correcting it.

I think that changing the cast on the SCOTUS, while positive, ignores the bigger problem: the unelected nature of the court and it's ability to effectively dictate from the bench. Changing the make-up of the bench, while palliative, does nothing to cure the underlying problem. Yes, we might end up with some better judges who might act with more restraint. But what then? What happens when they retire or pass away? What happens when one or more of those "better" justices decide that they really like the trappings of power?

I think we need to start taking a closer look at what justices are allowed to do, how they are appointed, and how long they should be in office.

I hear a lot of talk on FR about separate and co-equal branches of government. What I'm not so sure about is whether that's really what was intended from the beginning, or whether that's even a good thing. Keep in mind that the judicial branch is not elected. I would hope that a branch of government that is unelected and almost completely unaccountable to the people would be subordinate to, not equal to the other branches of government. How ironic then that this unelected branch of government has, over time, become supreme over the other two elected branches. Ironic, but also predictable. You draw the analogy of children with matches. If we give children a warehouse full of matches, can we be all that shocked when sooner or later a group of them starts a fire?

Since time for me this morning is short, I need to conclude my thoughts sooner than I'd like. Some ideas to think about.

1. You come from a legal background and are thus taught to respect the law, the institutions that make them, and those which interpret them. I come from a political background. Are judges objective referees of the law? Or unelected politicians with lifetime sinecure?

2. Marbury vs Madison. An oft quoted case that is the bedrock of judicial review in the U.S. But viewed from a political/power context, what was it?

3. There is a lot of complaining of late about the judiciary from conservative political leaders. But I've noticed that despite the complaints, we still see laws of questionable constitutionality being passed by the legislative branch and signed into law by the executive. Despite excesses on the part of the judiciary over many years, changes to the law regarding what the judiciary can review and movement toward reining in the judiciary seem to be just a little too hard to actually do. A skeptical individual might ask the question: "who benefits?"


159 posted on 04/10/2005 6:41:22 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Rumors of the demise of the conservative Democrat have been greatly exaggerated)
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To: Enterprise; Congressman Billybob
I hereby nominate Congressman Billybob, Mark Levin and my lovely Ann Coulter to the next three vacancies in the U.S. Supreme Court.

Now that has my vote!

160 posted on 04/10/2005 10:38:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Enterprise

I absolutely agree with your US Supreme Court nominations! If it could only be so.


161 posted on 04/10/2005 1:51:49 PM PDT by appleton14
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To: RKBA Democrat
The kind of major change you are talking about cannot occur without a constitutional amendment. And even if that could happen -- I am doubtful that the kind of consensus to have 37 states ratify ANY change in the tenure of the Court -- that is also a LONGrange idea.

An amendment takes on average three years from beginning to ratification. Bush will name probably three Justices to the Court before any amendment ever took effect. So, I'm dealing with first things first.

John
162 posted on 04/10/2005 5:36:57 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Why thank you Miss Felicity. Most kind and gracious of you to minister to those of us who for whatever reason, are unable to travel.
163 posted on 04/10/2005 9:09:12 PM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Ping!


164 posted on 04/11/2005 4:22:17 AM PDT by Ramonchito
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To: Congressman Billybob

Congratulations, John. Very well said, and I urge you to keep up the good work.


165 posted on 04/11/2005 9:36:15 AM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

WOOO-HOOOOO!! Billybob ROCKS!! Great speech, it was an honor to see it LIVE...MUD


166 posted on 04/11/2005 10:53:32 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: SlightOfTongue

Nice to meet you, my FRiend...MUD


167 posted on 04/11/2005 10:54:47 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
"The Internet is bringing us back together and I swear I see it beginning to make a difference. There is still hope for U.S. People like you prove it."

Yep...good to see you, Ghost...MUD

168 posted on 04/11/2005 10:56:14 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: jmc813
"I'm not saying this to kiss your a$$, but you are the smartest poster on this forum IMO."

SHEEESH...whatta kiss-ass...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

169 posted on 04/11/2005 10:57:38 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: el_doctor2; kristinn; Doctor Raoul; BufordP; tgslTakoma
"How many people attended?"

Well, including those FReepers who said they were with us in spirit, we had thousands.

FReegards...MUD

170 posted on 04/11/2005 11:00:43 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim; el_doctor2; kristinn; Doctor Raoul; tgslTakoma

I'd like to add that we were vastly outnumbered...by the spirits. And the spirits had a lot to say. Couldn't hear them very well but I could feel the heat...the hot air, if you will.


171 posted on 04/11/2005 11:27:32 AM PDT by BufordP ("I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel!"--Zell Miller)
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To: BufordP
"...the hot air, if you will."

BWAHAHAHAHA!! Hey, my FRiend, let's stay upbeat...not everyone around here cares enuff about this country to waste a vacation day to support a cause they believe in!! Good to see and meet the folks who do...MUD

172 posted on 04/11/2005 11:43:13 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim; BillF

I'm a big jazz/fusion man. We're on the downbeat. And if Frist and the RINO's disappoint it'll be time to beatdown.


173 posted on 04/11/2005 11:48:17 AM PDT by BufordP ("I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel!"--Zell Miller)
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To: BillF
Hey Bill, where are all yer pictures posted?!

FReegards...MUD

174 posted on 04/11/2005 12:05:37 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim

Hey! It was my *ss that was getting kissed. You didn't hear any complaints from me, didcha? Nobody in my family is that nice to me. Sheesh.

John / Billybob


175 posted on 04/11/2005 2:17:17 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
LOL...hey, I ain't givin' KRAP to the kissee, just the kisser!!

FReegards...MUD

176 posted on 04/11/2005 2:24:39 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
I think it was more like millions. At least six or seven million, as many as twenty five million.

(Disclaimer: Spirits are a difficult thing to count, constantly moving about like they do.)

177 posted on 04/11/2005 3:56:24 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: BufordP
See my previous post to Mudboy Slim. I had meant to ping you too, but forgot.
178 posted on 04/11/2005 3:57:47 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma
"Spirits are a difficult thing to count..."

Yes, perhaps the spirits will be kind enuff to bring along their bodies next time...live bodies are so much easier to count...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

179 posted on 04/11/2005 5:33:49 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: tgslTakoma; Mudboy Slim
...I had meant to ping you too, but forgot.

What are you saying? You pinged me in SPIRIT?!
8-(

180 posted on 04/12/2005 3:39:22 AM PDT by BufordP ("I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel!"--Zell Miller)
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To: BufordP

LOL...MUD


181 posted on 04/12/2005 4:18:37 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

What a treat for the eyes and mind.

The BEST thread I've read in a long time.


182 posted on 04/12/2005 9:51:22 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Nice to meet you, my FRiend...MUD

Same to you, pal. Hope you had a nice freeper day at the rally. It would seem that everybody did that I saw.

My only complaint (and my daughter's) was the back-pack length hike through the senate offices, the basement, the elevators and all, just to hand-deliver those letters. Thought we might get lost and need a guide to get back to Union Station!

Being of some Cherokee descent, at one point I thought it might be wise to drop some torn pieces of paper along the way, since there were no branches to break or rocks to make trail markings.

LOL

183 posted on 04/12/2005 11:34:18 AM PDT by SlightOfTongue
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To: SlightOfTongue; Exit148
I had a great day...then again, I always have a great time when I get to hook up with the DeeCee FReepers!!

"Being of some Cherokee descent..."

Hey, my brother...actually, I am one-sixteenth Native American and am planning on grilling my grandmother this summer regarding more details on the Indiana tribe that spawned my great-great grandfather!!

That's a branch of our family tree that I hope to unearth fer the good of my family's offspring.

FReegards...MUD

184 posted on 04/12/2005 11:41:05 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Tom Delay is the BEST POLITICIAN in Congress...and the DemonRATS can't stand it!!)
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To: Teplukin
Let's heretofore vow to restrict our presidential quotations to Washington, Reagan and GW Bush.

Let's not and say we didn't.

The, uh..."state's right" in question in 1861 was no less an evil than abortion or starving invalids to death. Slavery is kind of unconstitutional. Once the South seceded, there was no avoiding the remedy that "every drop of blood drawn by the whip would be paid for with a drop drawn by the sword" (I paraphrase.)

I'm from Goldsboro, NC. The South will save this country in the 21st century, but let's face it -- we nearly killed it in the 19th.

185 posted on 04/12/2005 3:02:05 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: Zhangliqun
The, uh..."state's right" in question in 1861 was no less an evil than abortion or starving invalids to death. Slavery is kind of unconstitutional. Once the South seceded, there was no avoiding the remedy that "every drop of blood drawn by the whip would be paid for with a drop drawn by the sword" (I paraphrase

The South was willing to listen to reason. It is entirely possible that they would have acceded to an end of slavery the same way it ended in the British West Indies - the gov't declared it illegal & compensated slaveowners for their financial losses.

Regrettable, Northern liberals forced war was upon a proud, noble & independent citizenry.

It led to the destruction of Southern Agriculture, creation of the KKK, thousands of deaths, and an enlarged federal government.

Sorry, but that war was another bit of liberal social engineering run amok. And a war that both President Reagan & President GW Bush would have avoided

186 posted on 04/12/2005 7:14:15 PM PDT by Teplukin
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To: nicollo

I would agree with Congressman BillyBob wholeheartedly, if the GOP controlled Congress would quit legislating beyond their enumerated powers within the Constitution as well! It is difficult to argue that the Judiciary has abandoned the Constitution, when the Legislature has done the same thing. Hypocrisy is the problem here (as it is for both parties). Both parties tend to look towards the Constitution when it suits their needs, and away from it when it doesn't.


187 posted on 04/13/2005 10:20:30 AM PDT by Left Coast Refugee (Abandoned by the GOP on the Left Coast)
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To: Teplukin
The South was willing to listen to reason. It is entirely possible that they would have acceded to an end of slavery the same way it ended in the British West Indies - the gov't declared it illegal & compensated slaveowners for their financial losses.

It's also more likely that they wouldn't have done so. This to me sounds more like liberal capitulation, like giving clean needles to drug addicts to avoid spreading AIDS. The idea of paying someone to stop engaging in crimes against humanity (and slavery qualifies) which the very Bible they regularly quoted told them was wrong is sickening. They should have had the good moral sense to end it on their own -- with or without the liberal government subsidy you think would have made them see the light.

The idea that the Civil War "created" the KKK also sounds liberalesque -- as when today lefty weenies wring their hands and ask how many new terrorists were created by the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The idea that the South had to be paid to end slavery and not give birth to the KKK implies that Southerners either didn't know any better or were just flat out inherently immoral. As a Southerner I resent and reject that notion. We knew better -- "the law of God is written on every man's heart" and all that. But we were too proud to admit our sin and instead compounded it by couching it in euphemistic legalisms like "state's rights". So God hardened our hearts like Pharaoh (so it would be over with sooner) and 600,000 men had to die as a result.

188 posted on 04/13/2005 12:11:59 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: Teplukin

You forgot Saved the Union...


189 posted on 04/13/2005 1:05:41 PM PDT by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel) (Scientology must be stopped from murdering disabled people)
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To: Lee'sGhost; Badray; GeneralHavoc; smokeyb
This is generally a ping to this thread and an AMEN!!!! to the following words, lifted from this and previous posts in the thread......

Thomas Paine

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.


It occurs to me that the Internet, and more specifically this website, has become a colonial tavern. It was in the taverns that our founding fathers came together with their contemporaries and neighbors to discuss the issues of the day to hone their debates and refine their political perspectives. We lost that intimacy between community leaders and "yeomen" probably about the time the radio was introduced. The Internet is bringing us back together and I swear I see it beginning to make a difference.

I'll drink to that!
190 posted on 04/14/2005 3:08:38 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Thank You Sir! You are obviously a gentleman and a scholar.

My best,


191 posted on 04/14/2005 3:11:05 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Congressman Billybob
He thought y'all might be interested in reading this.

He was right. EXCELLENT!

192 posted on 04/14/2005 8:59:36 PM PDT by Badray
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To: johnb838; Conservative Goddess
No one wants to hear that the entire constitution needs to be burned and then rebuilt from the ground up, but that is what needs to happen.

Do you really find a problem with the document itself, or the lack of character of those we entrusted it to and the will of the people to demand better?

As Adams said, (paraquoting) the Constitution was intended for virtuous men and was wholly unsuited for the governence of any other. Jefferson expected a revolt of sorts every twenty years or so to keep the government in check.

No stricture in that document can bind the hands or will of men willing to subvert it when the people itself don't demand it.

193 posted on 04/14/2005 9:28:51 PM PDT by Badray
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To: Edgerunner
You forgot Saved the Union...

And you forgot: Killed the Republic.

194 posted on 04/14/2005 10:06:11 PM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray

I think that things have gone so far and that the constitution we have now has been so badly redefined to say things that it does not say, and mean things that it does not mean, that it would be nigh impossible to go back and reclaim it.

Or at least that's how I felt the day I wrote that post. This morning I'm not so sure why you couldn't start overturning reams of law that were not constitutionally based, with the same vigor with which the leftists instituted them.


195 posted on 04/15/2005 3:57:43 AM PDT by johnb838 (Santo Subito! Presto!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

BTTT


196 posted on 04/15/2005 11:25:45 AM PDT by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail the Evil War Monkey King, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: Congressman Billybob
Postmodern Roaming Gnome

Debunking Leftist Mythology

Myth #1 - All Morality is Relative and Truth is a Social Construct to be Deconstructed

197 posted on 04/15/2005 12:28:10 PM PDT by Helms (The Human Brain Is The Most Complex Matter Entity in the Known Universe and Seat of the Soul)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Belated greetings, Felicity! His Lordship, the honorable Billybob, outdoes himself with this splendid homily! I am thinking of sending the whole thing to a renegade lawyer in my family (at the risk of a rupture of family relations :-) )


198 posted on 04/16/2005 5:49:03 AM PDT by T'wit (The only way to give "power to the people" is to take powers away from the government.)
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To: T'wit
Good morning, my friend.

My experience is that ALL lawyers are renegades. So, fire away with any copies. And let me know the reaction. Just yesterday I got a call from a Circuit Court judge who is planning to run for Chief Justice of the NC Supreme Court. He liked the speech a whole bunch.

John / Billybob
199 posted on 04/16/2005 5:55:36 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I am the grandson and son of lawyers. They were not renegades, they were patent attorneys. I am the brother of another patent attorney -- not so sure about him! :-) I am the uncle and cousin of patent attorneys, but I hardly ever hear from them so it doesn't matter. And, I am the relative of a renegade who works within the judicial branch and who belabors me with such withering arguments as, the Constitution needs to evolve because, see, in the original language, slaves counted as 3/5 of a person. (For this they go to law school?) (The moral retort to this is that slaves, in the eyes of God, are 5/5 of a person but lawyers seldom rise above 2/5 of a person.)

I can prove that this particular relative is a renegade as follows. Both he and Ann Coulter went through a hush-hush conservative school in Washington, D.C. My relative was not one little bit improved by it, whereas Ann learned enough vitriol to keep us all happy for years and years.

200 posted on 04/16/2005 8:59:35 AM PDT by T'wit (The only way to give "power to the people" is to take powers away from the government.)
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