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Mammoth remains unearthed in California (SoCal - Moorpark)
Monterey Herald ^ | 4/7/05 | AP

Posted on 04/07/2005 9:28:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

MOORPARK, Calif. - The remarkably well-preserved remnants of an estimated half-million-year-old mammoth - including both tusks - were discovered at a new housing development in Southern California.

An onsite paleontologist found the remains, which include 50 percent to 70 percent of the Ice Age creature, as crews cleared away hillsides to prepare for building, Mayor Pro Tem Clint Harper said.

Paleontologist Mark Roeder estimated the mammoth was about 12 feet tall, Harper said. Roeder believed it was not a pygmy or imperial mammoth, but he had not yet determined its exact type, Harper said.

"It's considered a very significant find, and it's a very complete fossil. It's unusual because it was found all the way down near the bedrock," Harper said. "We asked if carbon dating could be used and they said no way, it's too old."

Harper said the first bones were spotted several days ago and a special crew was called in after Roeder found more remnants, including the 6- and 7-foot-long tusks.

"They've been encased in plaster and burlap and removed from the site," Harper said.

Moorpark in Ventura County is about 30 miles west-northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

"The Moorpark mammoth, that's what we'll call it," Harper said.

Other Ice Age creatures have been found in recent years around Southern California, including a mastodon in Simi Valley, a mammoth in Oceanside and a pygmy mammoth on the Channel Islands.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: archaeology; california; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; mammoth; mamoth; moorpark; remains; unearthed
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1 posted on 04/07/2005 9:28:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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In this photo released by Keith Millhouse, an unidentified paleontologist uses a brush to excavate the bones of what is believed to be an imperial mammoth on Thursday afternoon, April 7, 2005, at a construction site in Moorpark, Calif. The skeleton is believed to be about 12 feet tall with eight-foot tusks. It appears nearly complete. (AP Photo/Keith Millhouse)

In this photo released by Keith Millhouse, an unidentified paleontologist uses a brush to excavate the bones of what is believed to be an imperial mammoth on Thursday afternoon, April 7, 2005, at a construction site in Moorpark, Calif. The skeleton is believed to be about 12 feet tall with eight-foot tusks. It appears nearly complete. (AP Photo/Keith Millhouse)


2 posted on 04/07/2005 9:29:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead.
3 posted on 04/07/2005 9:35:34 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh, I thought someone buried Michael Moore.

;-)


4 posted on 04/07/2005 9:38:57 PM PDT by kb2614 ("Speaking Truth to Power" - What idiots say when they want to sound profound!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
I wonder what this is costing the contractor and owner in interest while this job is halted? It can't be cheap.
5 posted on 04/07/2005 9:45:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

"An onsite paleontologist found the remains," ..

Good question on cost,, heavy machinery and operators aren't cheap, especially if they are just sitting there, idle.,, and paleontologists and specialists need to eat to. ;-)

altho the area is a recognized hot bed so to speak.. so they were on top of it pretty quick..



6 posted on 04/07/2005 9:51:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge; SunkenCiv

ping


7 posted on 04/07/2005 9:52:47 PM PDT by Chani (If it isn't in Texas, you probably don't need it.)
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To: NormsRevenge
First tigers, and now mammoths... No wonder I avoid going to the Simi Valley.
8 posted on 04/07/2005 9:55:05 PM PDT by Redcloak (But what do I know? I'm just a right-wing nut in his PJs whackin' on a keyboard..)
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To: Redcloak

*snrk* They unearthed people when they built the office space across the street from where I used to work. They were re-interred in the lawn by a 'most likely descendant'...


9 posted on 04/07/2005 9:59:32 PM PDT by null and void (innocent, incapacitated, inconvenient, and insured - a lethal combination for Terri...)
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To: NormsRevenge
If there was an onsite paleontologist, that means the excavation process was witnessed and under his/her supervision, at a charge probably exceeding $100 bucks an hour for the entire project.
10 posted on 04/07/2005 10:15:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I wonder if his services are required by the Coastal Commission? or just part of a preservation of antiquities clause in the contract or such?



11 posted on 04/07/2005 10:22:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"It's considered a very significant find, and it's a very complete fossil."

Haven't they found dozens of these at the La Brea tar pits? Not that this find is irrelevant, but there have been a lot of Mammoth skeletons found.
12 posted on 04/07/2005 10:32:47 PM PDT by Moral Hazard (I'm an atheist gamer. I don't believe in God Mode.)
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To: NormsRevenge

But how will it taste?
A great Northern Exposure episode come to mind.


13 posted on 04/07/2005 10:37:04 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Carry_Okie
I wonder what this is costing the contractor and owner in interest while this job is halted? It can't be cheap.

If they are clever, they might be able to recoup their costs in speaking fees, interview fees, movie options, etc. Besides, I don't know the law, but it's a possibility that legally, they now own a mammoth!

14 posted on 04/07/2005 10:41:33 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Moral Hazard

Not sure about mammoths in LaBrea, plenty of other prey animals, along with sabertooth cats which were attracted by what seemed to be easy prey.


15 posted on 04/07/2005 10:44:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Thanks, Chani, for the ping. I tusk don't know for sure, but wouldn't be surprised if California would want to set up a preserve for resuscitated mammoths -- there's a project in Asia to sort of clone mammoths from frozen samples of semen and the like, using living female elephants to gestate the young.
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16 posted on 04/07/2005 10:47:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: Moral Hazard

ah, here we go... some mammoths and mastodons, but mostly other stuff so far:

http://www.tarpits.org/research/pit91/pitfacts.html

The most common animal fossils that have been excavated from the La Brea Tar Pits are dire wolves (more than 3,000 found) and California's official state fossil, the saber-toothed cat (more than 2,000 found). Other fossils include mammoths and mastodons, ground sloths, camel, short-faced bears, horses, bison and birds. Since Page Museum paleontologists and volunteers began excavating Pit 91 in 1915, more than 250,000 fossils have been recovered. Over 650 different species of animals and plants have been recovered from the tar pits. Of these, most of the fossil plants, insects, snails and small mammals have come from Pit 91.

http://www.tarpits.org/research/mamtooth.html

Mammoth Tooth Replacement

Mammoths, like elephants, grew their teeth in a process much like a conveyor belt. As one tooth was being used and worn, the next was forming and was ready when needed, right behind the one being used. In the case of this fossil from a Columbian mammoth (Mammuthus columbi) discovered in Pit 9, one can easily see the replacement tooth still forming in the jaw behind the existing tooth.


17 posted on 04/07/2005 11:19:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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http://www.paleodirect.com/lm8-009.htm

"Truly HIGH quality mammoth tusks from the North Sea are infinitely more rare than mammoth tusks from the Siberian tundra (Russia).  Most North Sea mammoth fossils are so badly eaten up and rotted by the harsh elements of the salt water.  They exist on and below the ocean floor and are often accidentally brought up in fishing nets, sustaining even further damage and breakage.  On the contrary, mammoth fossils in Russia, like most Pleistocene Russian fossils, are found in the ground in massive bone beds that extend for considerable distances.  These fossils are blasted out of the tundra with water cannons and so many are found that woolly mammoth tusks are a commodity and sold by the pound at fossil shows!  The nature of their burial and method in which they are extracted has produced vast quantities of exceptionally preserved woolly mammoth teeth, bones, tusks, etc. so much so, that it seems like supply is inexhaustible with each year bringing a greater flood of these Russian specimens."


18 posted on 04/07/2005 11:23:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: Moral Hazard

From KFI in L.A.'s reporting this one dwarfs anything from the Tar Pits and, I think, is more complete. There's also word of a possibility this is a NEW species of Mammoth.


19 posted on 04/07/2005 11:34:51 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

More from NBC:

'Moorpark Mammoth' Uncovered On Housing Site
Crews Halt Construction After Find
April 7, 2005

LOS ANGELES -- Crews have halted construction at a housing site after uncovering the remains of what appears to be a mammoth.

The 350-acre site in Moorpark is west of Walnut Canyon Road south of Championship.

Crews were grading the site for 250 homes when they found the skeleton. They called a paleontologist, who is continuing an examination Thursday night.

Officials said the remains will be taken to the Natural History Museum in Los Angeles. Crew members said removal might take about one week.

The skeleton is about 12 feet tall with 8-foot tusks.

The extinct Pleistocene elephants had ridged, large molars and long tusks that curved upward. They also had body hair.

The skeleton in Moorpark is 50- to 70-percent complete. Paleontologist Mark Roeder estimated the find was a a half-million years old.

"It's considered a very significant find, and it's a very complete fossil," said Mayor Pro Tem Clint Harper. "It's unusual because it was found all the way down near the bedrock. We asked if carbon dating could be used and they said, 'No way. It's too old'"

The first bones were discovered last week. A special crew was called after the discovery of tusks.

"They've been encased in plaster and burlap and removed from the site," Harper said. "There's a lot of concern that when the site becomes well known there'll be vandalism."

The discovery was made less than two miles north of City Hall in Moorpark, a Ventura County community about 30 miles west-northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

"The Moorpark mammoth, that's what we'll call it," Harper said.

Roeder told Harper and other city officials who visited the find site Thursday afternoon that it was unlikely remains of another mammoth would be found nearby.

The development by William Lyon Homes at the Meridian Hills site will not be slowed much by the discovery. The mammoth remains were being removed quickly to allow earth-moving equipment to continue working, Harper said.

Other Ice Age creatures have been found in recent years around Southern California, including a mastodon in Simi Valley, a mammoth in Oceanside and a pygmy mammoth on the Channel Islands.

Calls to the developer's office after business hours Thursday were not immediately returned and the onsite paleontologist also could not immediately be reached for comment.


20 posted on 04/07/2005 11:37:20 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks!

Ain't no place like FR , to get your fossil updates while we fossilize at our keyboards. :-)

I bet those pygmy mammoths were cute little buggers.


21 posted on 04/07/2005 11:41:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The contractor is one of Arnie's largest contributors, William Lyon Homes.


22 posted on 04/07/2005 11:43:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge

>>I bet those pygmy mammoths were cute little buggers.

ROFL!


23 posted on 04/07/2005 11:44:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Redcloak
No wonder I avoid going to the Simi Valley.

Largest per capita population of police officers in the country too. ;o)

24 posted on 04/07/2005 11:46:55 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: calcowgirl
:)

Channel Islands National Park Visitors Center

Pygmy mammoth


25 posted on 04/07/2005 11:48:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Cute! ;-)


26 posted on 04/07/2005 11:54:29 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Yup, imagine finding something that big, that would be a thrill.. and then multiply it by about 10 , some of those fellas got huge..

Catch ya on the flip side.. I'm bush'd..


27 posted on 04/08/2005 12:01:03 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I thought Teddy resided in MA?


28 posted on 04/08/2005 12:17:04 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Bernard Marx; pacpam; hoppity; MayflowerMadam; capitan_refugio; Kviteseid; Val E. Girl; merry10; ...

Ventura County Ping!


29 posted on 04/08/2005 12:18:22 AM PDT by Rabid Dog (Make a difference in your community - Join your local Free Republic Chapter!)
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half-million-year-old mammoth - including both tusks - were discovered at a new housing development in Southern California. An onsite paleontologist found the remains, which include 50 percent to 70 percent of the Ice Age creature...

Half a mammoth, huh? So did anybody taste the mammoth jerky?
30 posted on 04/08/2005 1:00:47 AM PDT by carumba
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To: NormsRevenge
Mammoth remains unearthed in California

"The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated."

Damn, that was just too easy. ;)
31 posted on 04/08/2005 1:08:05 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: NormsRevenge

Mammoth skeleton found in Southern California? More evidence of how much time has passed since the Republicans ran the State... Why couldn't it have been a pre-historic @ss?


32 posted on 04/08/2005 4:46:08 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
If they are clever, they might be able to recoup their costs in speaking fees, interview fees, movie options, etc. Besides, I don't know the law, but it's a possibility that legally, they now own a mammoth!

That's not the way it works here in Santa Cruz. Both the control and the wealth accrues to the extortionist in charge. The mammoth is an entitlement for otherwise unemployable academics.

33 posted on 04/08/2005 6:06:07 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: ProudVet77
This is almost as big as the discovery of the cave man in Encino:

What is it about the Valley, anyways. Gag me with a spoon.

34 posted on 04/08/2005 6:18:34 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste.;^))
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To: NormsRevenge
"I bet those pygmy mammoths were cute little buggers."

There are some burnt pygmy mammoth bones found in the Channel Islands that are over 100,000 years old that look to be butchered and cooked...controversal to say the least.

35 posted on 04/08/2005 6:49:56 AM PDT by blam
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To: NormsRevenge

"Fossil record reveals evidence of Republicans in So.Cal area."


;>


36 posted on 04/08/2005 6:52:48 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: blam
"There are some burnt pygmy mammoth bones found in the Channel Islands that are over 100,000 years old that look to be butchered and cooked...controversal to say the least."

Maybe she ate them.

'Arlington Springs Woman', 13,000 Years Old Human Skeleton Found On California Island

37 posted on 04/08/2005 6:54:18 AM PDT by blam
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To: NormsRevenge
Calico: A 200,000 Year Old Site In The Americas?
38 posted on 04/08/2005 6:57:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: Rockitz

OH NO!!! NOT POLICE OFFICERS!! Can't have a bunch of them living in one place. What would happen! Oh, wait, I know. Safest city in America many times running. By the by, it's MOORPARK. And that ain't Simi.


39 posted on 04/08/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by Hi Heels ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?" H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927)
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To: NormsRevenge
I bet those pygmy mammoths were cute little buggers.

Yes, but like most Dwarves, they had hair trigger tempers. They were known to be mean drunks, and used their trunks to wield stone axes they took from the cave people they stomped in bar fights. They especially took umbrage at any criticism of their musical abilities on Karaoke Night, when they would hog the stage, trumpeting.

Probably the last mistake you would ever make would be to pat one an the head, and make a comment about its 'cuteness'.

Also, making things dicey, and adding to many misunderstandings, both the males & females have beards.

40 posted on 04/08/2005 11:55:23 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Only those without honor eat dead food, rather than making every meal a fight!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

*snort* Conversations on this forum just go to hell in a handbasket sometimes.. HAHAhahaa.....


41 posted on 04/08/2005 3:00:20 PM PDT by Hi Heels ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?" H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927)
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To: NormsRevenge

I bet the Department of Fish and Game is responsible for this!


42 posted on 04/08/2005 3:13:29 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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Yeh, like the licensed ex-tiger owner didn't have a hand in this one too...hehe.

1. Moorpark, the home of mammoths and tigers.
2. Simi, the home of policemen and women; and one Republican president named Ronald Reagan and his library.
Just to name some of the recent news icons......


43 posted on 04/09/2005 12:30:18 AM PDT by cowboy_code (Live by the Code!)
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To: Hi Heels

Lighten up! That was merely a statement of fact and to the good, if anything- not a knock on anyone. I have many LAPD and sherrif's department friends. If you want another, Simi also boasts the most autos per capita in the US.


44 posted on 04/09/2005 9:23:24 AM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: NormsRevenge

After all is said and done it was obviously a mammouth undertaking.


45 posted on 04/09/2005 9:31:40 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: NormsRevenge; HereInTheHeartland
This comes to mind...


46 posted on 04/09/2005 9:39:21 AM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: cowboy_code

THEY SHOULD CHECK THE MAMOTH TO SEE IF IT DIED FROM DOF&G BULLETS


47 posted on 04/11/2005 4:35:41 AM PDT by BUGSDUCK
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To: NormsRevenge
"...some of those fellas got huge.."

Well? Don't leave us hanging like that. Huge what?

48 posted on 04/11/2005 4:42:38 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: NormsRevenge
Whoooaaa....


49 posted on 04/11/2005 4:48:51 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Rockitz
"Lighten up!"

*shrug* I wasn't angry. Hard to put voice inflections on a message forum. By the way, they're saying it may be a "new" mammoth here. Something previously undiscovered. Lots of fossils up in these hills.

50 posted on 04/11/2005 9:09:54 AM PDT by Hi Heels ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?" H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927)
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