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Free trade: A new fight (CAFTA)
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| 4/10/05
| George Talbot
Posted on 04/10/2005 1:24:41 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
CAFTA is a nightmare waiting to happen for America. We are already suffering from FREE TRADE and the politicians whose GLOBAL ASPIRATIONS are killing this country at our expense. Where does it stop?? WHEN AMERICA HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A SECOND-RATE SLUM LIKE MEXICO, AND THE REST OF THE AMERICAS???
WHY ARE WE LETTING THIS HAPPEN ???
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posted on
04/10/2005 1:45:16 PM PDT
by
EagleUSA
(Q)
To: EagleUSA
"Why are we letting this happen???"
Because the alternative is totalitarianism. How do you intend to stop freedom???
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posted on
04/10/2005 1:51:37 PM PDT
by
Shisan
(When in doubt, win the trick.)
To: Shisan
Because the alternative is totalitarianism. How do you intend to stop freedom???
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Apparently you do not see what FREE TRADE is being used for by our politicians...very apparent.
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posted on
04/10/2005 1:55:56 PM PDT
by
EagleUSA
(Q)
To: Shisan
"Why are we letting this happen???" Because the alternative is totalitarianism.
That's just plain ridiculous. Free societies have been able to thrive quite well without turning over their economies to outside interests.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:05:31 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
To: Crackingham
With the Senate set to begin hearings Tuesday on a complex, 2,600-page trade agreement with Central America, Is it me, or does a 2,600 page document give the impression, that this thing may not be all that its cracked up to be?
A true free trade agreement, like its protectionist counterpart, should be relatively thin and simple, and brief.
2,600 pages, is none of those.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:12:23 PM PDT
by
Sonny M
("oderint dum metuant")
To: inquest
A free society is forcebly the one in which an individual can use his money in whatever he wants.
To: inquest
A free society is forcibly the one in which an individual can use his money in whatever he wants.
I support CAFTA :p
To: Sonny M
That's because it has a lot of exceptions for American industries and CA industries.
To: sanchez810
That's because it has a lot of exceptions for American industries and CA industries.I can understand that, but at 2,600 pages, this "thing" is not a free trade agreement, its some kind of entity that deals with trade, in some places, and protectionism in others, but a "free trade agreement" it is not, not by the definitions used by either free traders or protectionists.
I will be the first to admit, I have not read the agreement, but I would like to see any kind of future agreement, to be limited in size, simple in design, easy to understand for parties affected (either helped or hindered), and brief.
The kind of agreement, that does not require one to hire a lawyer to evaluate so it can be grasped, and where the reader or affected parties can draw their own conclusions to see if the agreement if beneficial or harmful to them.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:37:15 PM PDT
by
Sonny M
("oderint dum metuant")
To: sanchez810
That's because it has a lot of exceptions for American industries and CA industries.I can understand that, but at 2,600 pages, this "thing" is not a free trade agreement, its some kind of entity that deals with trade, in some places, and protectionism in others, but a "free trade agreement" it is not, not by the definitions used by either free traders or protectionists.
I will be the first to admit, I have not read the agreement, but I would like to see any kind of future agreement, to be limited in size, simple in design, easy to understand for parties affected (either helped or hindered), and brief.
The kind of agreement, that does not require one to hire a lawyer to evaluate so it can be grasped, and where the reader or affected parties can draw their own conclusions to see if the agreement if beneficial or harmful to them.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:38:41 PM PDT
by
Sonny M
("oderint dum metuant")
To: Shisan
Explain to us all what is "free" about free trade.
To: sanchez810
A free society is forcebly the one in which an individual can use his money in whatever he wants.And paying taxes on it is "totalitarian"? Bizarre ideology that one encounters in these discussions.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:42:56 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
To: inquest
Would you please elucidate. Who are those "outside interests" and what would you do to stop the turn over?
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:43:13 PM PDT
by
Shisan
(When in doubt, win the trick.)
To: Sonny M
I can understand that, but at 2,600 pages, this "thing" is not a free trade agreement
You're right. Its a document that authorizes the transformation of national governments into mere subregional entities that report to hemispheric "civil society" where the citizen is nothing and business interests and NGOs are consultants to government.
It is a document that authorizes the creating of "working groups" who develop "initiatives" that governments must follow to adhere to the trade agreement. The "initiatives" will eliminate borders and integrate, in the case of NAFTA, CAFTA and the FTAA, all the countries of the western hemisphere into one bloc.
To: EagleUSA
I don't see any conspiracy here. The "politicians" are
mere parasites on the process, as usual, since they produce only confusion and don't add to wealth.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:46:44 PM PDT
by
Shisan
(When in doubt, win the trick.)
To: Shisan
The outside interests are the foreign corporations and tycoons, in many cases backed by their governments. If, as you imply with your question, nothing is going to stop them from taking over, then it's not going to make any difference whether CAFTA goes into effect or not, so there's no need to push for it.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:47:00 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
To: EagleUSA
FYI, the US before the Wilson admin, before the New Deal, before the Warren Court, before the Great Society when it was ran in a more or less Libertarian manner, the US had trade tariffs.
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:49:43 PM PDT
by
RFT1
To: Shisan
Who are those "outside interests" and what would you do to stop the turn over?
The WTO for one. Right now the three candidates for president of the WTO have all worked for various groups that have vested interests in destroying segements of the American economy. One canditate is a lobbyist for the sugar plantations in Mauritus. Another is Brazilian-- Brazil is interested in knocking out competing cotton producers in the US and is currently suing the US in the WTO to do so. The third busted US patent laws and intellectual property rights by helping to write the WTO directive that gives "least developed countries" like China, Nigeria, etc, permission to produce patented medicines without paying royalties and to get medicines at below cost. This of course is a socialist wealth redistribtution scheme because US customers are now paying more for medicines to subsidize "least developed countries" like the economic powerhouse China.
You do know that the WTO is out to kill sugar and cotton subsidies in the US don't you? Wouldn't it be great to have a president that's already been working on the project? It would save the WTO a lot of time and effort.
To: Shisan
The "politicians" are mere parasites on the processSo who then are the initiators? The people?
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posted on
04/10/2005 2:56:10 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
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