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Fixing immigration fairly
The Boston Globe ^ | April 12, 2005 | Ali Noorani

Posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:42 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands. While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol, the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.

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Thank you minutemen!
1 posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:42 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: Boston Blackie

As always....the average joe says..to hell with this!...I'm heading for the Arizona border!


2 posted on 04/12/2005 4:08:17 AM PDT by Route101
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To: Boston Blackie
Hmm, where's the immigration heroine to some on FR, hillary?

She has not given any support to the minutemen.

3 posted on 04/12/2005 4:08:58 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Boston Blackie

If the government won't defend America, then it's citizens will!.


4 posted on 04/12/2005 4:09:45 AM PDT by Route101
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To: Boston Blackie
These vigilante groups are emboldened by political demagogues who, for example, file federal legislation allowing bounty hunters to pursue immigrants.

Bounty hunters going after immigrants? Shouldn’t that read criminals? The last I heard, there was no bounty on legal imigrants.

Many in the anti-immigration movement feel we cannot reform the immigration system until we get control of our borders.

I don’t believe many are “anti-immigration”, but are against illegal entry.

However, since our system does not provide opportunities for legal immigration, people are pushed underground.

????

That is all I could read. The writer for the Boston Globe is so far out of touch with reality it is frightening.

5 posted on 04/12/2005 4:14:01 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
"The writer is so far out of touch with reality......."

If that is the case, then FR is also out of touch.

The writer mentions his support for guest worker plans.

A recent poll of FR members show support of guest worker plans at over 2 to 1. 60% for and 28% opposed.

FR is a far right website and functions as an internet center of the anti immigrant crowd. It is safe to say, given the support at FR, that support of guest worker plans amongst the general population would be at 5, 6, or 7 to 1.

6 posted on 04/12/2005 4:57:12 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: R. Scott
However, since our system does not provide opportunities for legal immigration, people are pushed underground.

This is possibly the dumbest line ever written. It almost sounds as if the Boston Herald author is encouraging a pseudo-underground railroad to bypass the actual laws of the land.

There are a few who are against any type of immigration. I disagree with them but thats their perogative. However, this author makes it sound as being against illegal immigration is a horror. He also does not discern between legal immigration and illegal immigration.

He is an idiot. I would be willing to bet a sizable amount that he votes for Kennedy. Any takers? No? Didn't think so :)

7 posted on 04/12/2005 5:13:44 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Those who have sacked the sackers who were sacked for stealing my signature have been sacked.)
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To: R. Scott

BOUNTY HUNTERS????

Who offered bounties, how much? God the MM are effective beyond their numbers in driving these liberal SOBs crazy.


8 posted on 04/12/2005 5:14:43 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Boston Blackie
"...since our system does not provide opportunities for legal immigration, people are pushed underground...."

Exactly what planet does the writer live on?

9 posted on 04/12/2005 5:26:25 AM PDT by NRA1995 ("The Minuteman Project: doing the job our government doesn't want to do")
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To: Boston Blackie
federal legislation allowing bounty hunters to pursue immigrants


10 posted on 04/12/2005 5:29:35 AM PDT by NRA1995 ("The Minuteman Project: doing the job our government doesn't want to do")
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To: Boston Blackie
Mexican Army Escorts Drug Runners

Illegals Cost Texas $4.7 Billion

11 posted on 04/12/2005 5:29:50 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Ben Ficklin
FR is a far right website and functions as an internet center of the anti immigrant crowd.

How many times must it be pointed out that we're objecting to ILLEGAL immigrants? Keep trying to frame it as an anti-immigrant bias if you want, but we both know that's just an attempt to spin this issue and demonize the anti-ILLEGAL immigrant crowd. A legit guest worker program would be OK with me, far-right-winger that I am, but not the version proposed by GWB. He wants to create a job magnet that would draw people here, but have no enforceable way to get them to go home again when their time is up.

12 posted on 04/12/2005 5:46:48 AM PDT by John Jorsett (email: mistersandiego yahoo.com (put the at sign in between those two))
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To: Boston Blackie
Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands.

Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., first amendment rights armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands Ali Noorani takes pen in hand and plays fast and loose with the truth.

While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol,

They're not "claiming" to support the Border Patrol, they are supporting the BP

...the Mexican government is on edge,

The edge of a cliff? If so, somebody give 'em a shove.

...human rights activists have flooded the area,

They're always such a help. (/sarc)

...and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.

Right after he called them vigilantes.

13 posted on 04/12/2005 5:53:16 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Personal Responsibility

"It almost sounds as if the Boston Herald author is encouraging a pseudo-underground railroad to bypass the actual laws of the land."

Boston Globe, not Boston Herald. Big difference.


14 posted on 04/12/2005 6:06:44 AM PDT by ncphinsfan
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To: HiJinx
Armed Vigilantes ping

...armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands.

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The likelihood for human tragedy is high.

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These vigilante groups are emboldened by political demagogues who, for example, file federal legislation allowing bounty hunters to pursue immigrants.

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Such individuals have no interest in our national security and are willing to dismiss America's values and history for the sake of political gain.

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15 posted on 04/12/2005 6:20:29 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Ben Ficklin

A “guest worker” is here legally. I have no problem with that. My problem is with the illegals.


16 posted on 04/12/2005 6:27:28 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Route101
Allowing enough immigration to happen legally so that our economy thrives, our communities prosper,

At current levels of legal immigration our schools, hospitals and social safety net are being crushed by the numbers.

This author think we are idiots if he thinks our communities will prosper if we let in more.

The only economic winners are the immigrants and employers. The American people will pay through the nose for this cheap labor subsidy and it does not matter if they come in legally or illegally. It is all about the overwhelming numbers.

17 posted on 04/12/2005 6:27:35 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Boston Blackie

It's time that Americans directly address the ridiculous line of thinking made by advocates for unfettered immigration that asserts the "right" of every foreign individual in any foreign land to make some future claim to enter the US as an immigrant. The Constitution does not specify this "right". In fact, there have been many instances in the past where the American government restricted immigration in attempts to control the inflow of the numbers and types of immigrants to serve a greater national interest. It seems to me that national security would demand that we address the unbelievable danger we have now with over 10 MILLION ILLEGALS hidden away, untracked and unchecked, in the corners of our society at this time. I now believe the Statue of Liberty was a Trojan Horse given to us by the nefarious French to undermine our society by bamboozling the American people with malevolent mythology about "Give me your tired, your hungry, your poor, etc..." becoming part of our national creed and driving the unlearned to expect that we have some sort of responsibilituy to accept the dregs of the whole world ad infinitum!


18 posted on 04/12/2005 6:28:13 AM PDT by bowzer313
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To: Personal Responsibility

No taker here.


19 posted on 04/12/2005 6:28:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Americanexpat

Ain't that something?


20 posted on 04/12/2005 6:28:46 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Dane

DP


21 posted on 04/12/2005 6:29:58 AM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: Boston Blackie
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

Ruminations from the shower:

Problem solved.
22 posted on 04/12/2005 6:32:08 AM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: Ben Ficklin

DP


23 posted on 04/12/2005 6:33:10 AM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...

I really need to work with this Preview button...


24 posted on 04/12/2005 6:38:58 AM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: R. Scott; John Jorsett
If you want to ignore reality, its ok.

The poll and the writer's view are based on the guest worker being a solution to the problem of illegals.

More specifically, 60% of freepers favor converting the illegals into guest workers.

25 posted on 04/12/2005 6:49:02 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: HiJinx

DA


26 posted on 04/12/2005 6:49:49 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: HiJinx
1. Seal the border between Ports of Entry
2. Come up with a workable level of annual work permits
3. Make all applicants for the new permits apply from outside the US

Problem solved.

Except for the millions who are already here.

4. Deport illegal aliens.

27 posted on 04/12/2005 6:52:27 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: R. Scott
The writer for the Boston Globe is so far out of touch with reality it is frightening.

Agreed.

28 posted on 04/12/2005 6:57:36 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: HiJinx

The Boston Globe doesn't get it ~ illegal, is illegal, is illegal ~ what's so hard to understand!

When we break the law, we get busted ~ when foreign citizens break the law, they get deified!

Polls are irrelevant!

Be Ever Vigilant!


29 posted on 04/12/2005 7:01:48 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: HiJinx

Hey, I'm the King of public goof-ups, no worries. =]

30 posted on 04/12/2005 7:03:00 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Personal Responsibility
I would be willing to bet a sizable amount that he votes for Kennedy. Any takers? No? Didn't think so :)

I don't know anyone in Mass who doesn't vote for Ted.

President Bush, Senators Edward Kennedy and John McCain, and a growing number of leaders in both parties have put a new approach on the table. This approach would create legal channels for immigrants seeking opportunity, allow immigrants here to come out of the shadows and participate legally in society, deploy humane, intelligent border security measures, and cut off the black market for fake documents, exploitative employers, violent criminals, smugglers, and the like.

This seems reasonable to me.

31 posted on 04/12/2005 7:09:06 AM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: Dane

DP


32 posted on 04/12/2005 7:09:28 AM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: Boston Blackie
"...the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort."

...and a hit dog always hollers.

33 posted on 04/12/2005 7:15:37 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Boston Blackie
While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol, the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.

And that proves the point that they are not only offering support to the Border Patrol? What a classic example of not proving one's point but making it seem so through gross obfuscation.

34 posted on 04/12/2005 7:23:55 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: harrowup
Of course it sounds reasonable to you. You are part of the Criminal Alien Lobby here on FR. As a Democrat and a 40 year ACLU member, you stand to win big pushing for illegals and "guest workers" getting the vote for your political hero's like Kennedy, Kerry, and Klinton.

If illegals are ALREADY here and working the current system, why should they bother with jumping through hoops to make themselves a "legal" migrant worker? There is no incentive without the threat of ILLEGALS being sent BACK to where they came from.

Kick up the numbers for legal immigration. Streamline the process. What ever we can do and still control the entry process. But to offer a covert AMNESTY will do nothing to deter further unLawful behavior.

35 posted on 04/12/2005 7:24:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: Dane
Hmm, where's the immigration heroine to some on FR, hillary? She has not given any support to the minutemen.

Hmmm, the ACLU is against the Minutemen. I guess you and the ACLU think the same way, Dane.

We could play your games for hours, as a substitute for actual debate. But you're really not interesting in the latter, are you?

36 posted on 04/12/2005 7:26:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Ben Ficklin

DP


37 posted on 04/12/2005 7:34:43 AM PDT by in the Arena (Life may begin at 30, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 110.)
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To: Dane

DP


38 posted on 04/12/2005 7:36:37 AM PDT by in the Arena (Life may begin at 30, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 110.)
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To: Boston Blackie
Ali Noorani is the author. Some clown named Ali Noorani is going to tell me how to fix immigration fairly? He just got off the banana boat while my people have been here 100 years with many freepers much longer.
39 posted on 04/12/2005 7:37:33 AM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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To: dennisw
Ali Noorani is the author. Some clown named Ali Noorani is going to tell me how to fix immigration fairly? He just got off the banana boat while my people have been here 100 years with many freepers much longer.

Ali Noorani is executive director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition.

40 posted on 04/12/2005 7:39:39 AM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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To: Dead Corpse

Cool the rhetoric; you haven't a clue about who my 'heroes' are, and I can assure you they would not associate with you.


41 posted on 04/12/2005 7:50:29 AM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: harrowup
and I can assure you they would not associate with you.

Of course not. Liberals like your "hero's" don't associate with conservatives like me.

42 posted on 04/12/2005 7:56:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: in the Arena

EMW


43 posted on 04/12/2005 7:58:10 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dane

44 posted on 04/12/2005 8:04:58 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: HiJinx
I think the "guest worker" plan is a very bad idea. People who live and work in the US should be full, voting citizens. The instant you create a sub-class of citizen, you start class warfare. They will immediately be agitating for suffrage.

We shouldn't invite anyone into this country who we wouldn't want to be a citizen.
45 posted on 04/12/2005 8:16:23 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: bowzer313
I agree. Until we dismantle the welfare society immigration is no longer a benefit to this country. We once had "huddled masses yearning to breath free" coming to this country. Today those masses are yearning for freebies.

And we don't need to import cheap labor to do menial work. We have people in this country now who perfectly willing to do any of the jobs that illegals are doing.

There are hundreds of thousands of Amish and Hutterites in America and they reproduce very quickly. After we shut down the farmers who employ illegals they will be forced to sell their land and these Anabaptist farmers will buy it. The contractors who employ illegals will be forced out of business and Amish contractors will take their place.

If we had about ten million of these people we could shut down all immigration and our population would be stable.
46 posted on 04/12/2005 8:33:39 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
We shouldn't invite anyone into this country who we wouldn't want to be a citizen.

One of the problems with such feel good rhetoric is that you bypass rational thought.

Let's bankrupt all the tourist joints in this country and keep all them thar fureners from pollutin' our rivers and such.

Geesh.

47 posted on 04/12/2005 8:37:15 AM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: Dane

Still banging away with your "hillary" lines, eh, Dane? Maybe you should ask your programmers to give you a new line, that ones getting a little tedious.

48 posted on 04/12/2005 8:40:12 AM PDT by FBD ( "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ~Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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