Skip to comments.Fixing immigration fairly
Posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:42 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands. While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol, the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.
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If this is the case, then they owe you (and a handful of others) their undying thanks.
Without the baiting and provocations of a few of you 90% of the illegal immigration threads would have sputtered out after 25 or so posts.
Tortured? I added up the numbers.
|Seal and militarize the borders||49.3%||2,882|
|Beef up and enforce existing law||35.3%||2,064|
|Some form of guest worker program||10.5%||614|
It is the illegals who get exploited.
Remove the "workers" physically and make them stand in the same line other immigrants do.
Put some employers in jail and watch the "exploitation" dissappear.
Most of the posters willfully bailing are Open Border advocates whom are decidedly on the left in the republican party. This development only makes FR More not less conservative.
FR played a major role in the impeachment. Since then, many have tried to harness that to promote their agenda. They all failed.
Back then, FR was much more conservative. The RINO contingent, though present, was small and not very vocal. Ever since that time this forum has seen a flood of "Party over Country" types that have taken FR way to the left.
You will also recall that during Clinton's impeachment Conservative Activism on FR was at its greatest height. I wonder what happened?
Yes and 80.2% of the respondents want ALL Illegal Aliens to go back to Mexico under any proposed guest worker program or want no guest worker program at all.
Again: This doesnt play well towards your CAL position of open borders does it?
Son, what you want and what you get are two entirely different things. When millions of us Californians voted in favor of Prop 187 back in the early 90s, we really thought we had some control over our future. My how reality has a way of b!tch slapping you over the head.
Keeping excercising your 1st ammendment rights; the smart money is already many, many moves ahead of you. But just for laughs, here's what's going down:
Fact: the Latinization of the US cannot be stopped
Fact: the US is already following the pattern of every other two-tier society in Latin America
Fact: every society/culture throughout history has failed ( and it always comes from within) - the US is no different
Even your poll indicates that there is no overwhelming majority at FR advocating sealing the border. And whats worse, FR is a gathering place for immigration zealots and you still, can only get half the votes in the composite poll.
Ignore the percentages, these are not big numbers.
According to the goofballs at Liberty Post, Alexes shows them to be out-doing FR?
Do you know about Alexes and cookies?
I not attempting to *spin* anything. (or the FReeper polls)
Given the option between mass deportations and enrolling the illegals, the vast majority will choose the guest worker program.
Perhaps you have a link to this "vast majority" you claim ???
It sure doesn't seem to be FReepers or our Lurkers........
Free Republic Opinion Poll: Which of the following is the best way to solve the illegal immigration problem?
Seal and militarize the borders 49.3% 2,882
Beef up and enforce existing law 35.3% 2,064
Some form of guest worker program 10.5% 614
Other 3.0% 174
Undecided/Pass 1.9% 113
That's a bullet hole in the foot.
The poll on guest worker programs has just as much credibility.
It's not my poll, it is an FR poll, and no, both polls exist. One is more clearly delineated than the other, but both show that FR is not in favor of allowing illegal immigrants to stay in this country, guest worker program or no guest worker program.
...the composite poll that allows individuals to vote more than once.
Wrong. Members can vote once, and their vote is registered with their log-in. Non-members can vote once as they are cookied during voting. In that regard the poll is as accurate as any web poll.
Even your poll indicates that there is no overwhelming majority at FR advocating sealing the border.
That is exactly right ... and yet you and your small band of thread disruptors use that "militarize the borders/machinegun the migrants" strawman on just about every thread. Same with the assertion that anyone against illegal immigration is going to vote for Hillary ... no one has said it, but it is a convenient strawman and baiting tool for several posters you are intimately familiar with.
Ignore the percentages, these are not big numbers.
Given the skill you have shown on this thread in reading polls and graphs, I'll be ignoring more than the percentages.
Precisely my point. The immigration crowd has no interest in any other issue. They could care less about judges.
I referenced the poll among freepers, you are using the composite poll that allows individuals to vote more than once. >>>>>>>
LOL......OK, here is the *secure* results from the members only.
Seal and militarize the borders 45.9% 1,803
Beef up and enforce existing law 37.8% 1,484
****Some form of guest worker program 10.8% 423****
Other 3.3% 131
Undecided/Pass 2.2% 88
This is not a scientific poll. It has no basis in society.
You feed on your feedback.
There are several ways to measure a web sites traffic.
Page views is one that people have used that is notoriously meaningless.
For example, FR used to limit the number of posts viewable on any particular thread to 20. Now it is a selectable preference, and a viewer can have as many as 100 posts viewable on a given thread. That means that the 'page views' for a given thread are potentially one-fifth of what they used to be ... essentially a meaningless statistic that give no indication as to numbers of viewers.
Hits is another meaningless statistic. I could build a web page with a million little tiny graphics on it, and one person could view that page and I would get a million "hits". Meaningless.
The 'Reach' category on the other hand, shows the number of individual computers accessing a site, and is the best indication available as to total viewership.