Skip to comments.Fixing immigration fairly
Posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:42 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands. While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol, the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.
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Better than what is coming from the Karl Marx wing of the ACLU and Democrat Party to which you belong.
And this is where the bigotry charge gets its running charge, every time you use it.
There isn't a single conservative to be found in your grimy little pack.
It is fairly obvious who runs in packs around here.
Don't count on it.
Nope. Before I would be the least bit receptive to the need of a new guest worker program, all Illegal Aliens would have to deported First. Our immigration laws would have to be diligently enforced First. Our borders patrol would have to have the necessary resources to completely halt illegal immigration at the border First.
Anything less is AGAIN putting the cart before the horse and dropping another mismanaged Amnesty GWP on top of a chaotic open borders free for all.
If our elected officials cannot be trusted to enforce the law and live up to their constitutionally mandated duties NOW, how can they be trusted to live up to their promises THEN under any new Amnesty. Kinda makes sense, doesnt it?
The lesson of the 1986 "amnesty to end all amnesties" is quite instructive here.
Good catch, Spiff! The CAL lies have become legion.
What part? That you and the OBL share common objectives with the above? You know it's the undeniable truth. These subversive organizations do not hide their support for Open Borders. In fact they are quite vocal in their support for it...as you know.
Nice company you run with.
You never know who's sponsoring these FROBLs or why they push their agenda so diligently. Like the pro-Putin crowd, their message is sometimes subtle and circuitous. Face it, FR is a venue vulnerable to propagandists. But in my discussions with Americans from a variety of political persuasions I hear two things: seal the border humanely; and put American citizens to work first. That some BMW-driving shareholder who belongs to the Republican party because he thinks his taxes might be lower if he supports them might disagree shouldn't surprise us. People vote with their pocketbooks in hand, don't they?
That was well said and quite accurate.
The reason it's a done deal is because it's probably a 1:1 ratio between all illegals and the children of some who are US citizens (assuming that they were born here). Take a drive around SoCal and you'll see hordes of young children per parent - no way all those kids were brought across the border.
That means the version of 'which America survives' has already been cast. These kids are your fellow 'citizens' - embrace them and feel the love.
The undeniable truth about this seditious lot.
And every time you and your hyena pack make that charge, it reveals all of you for the put-America-last-we-don't-care-about-American sovereignty, culture, language or customs, race baiters that you are.
In other words, bigotry charges from a race baiting ACLU democrat don't amount to much.
LOL......you FIRST referenced this FReeper poll, (now YOU claim "it has no basis").
The second poll referenced (that is more suitable re: "guest workers") clearly shows ONLY 10.8 percent of FReepers are FOR a 'guest worker program'.
Generally true, but there are some exceptions.
ClintonBeGone refers to Mexican general Santa Anna as his "brother" and has admitted to having investments in Mexico.
Harrowup has confessed to being a life-long member of the ACLU and the Democrat party and admitted to being a troll and disruptor (see here).
They can't help themselves, eventually, they all come out of the closet.
Damn your posts are depressing.
You do a good Tokyo Rose.
Which poll were you refering to in the following line ? I thought it was poll 77.
"This is not a scientific poll. It has no basis in society.
Time for our patriotic Minutemen to arm themselves.
Read the rest of Lemuras posts. Lemura is as anti-illegal as the rest of us, just thinks its a lost cause. Too soon to think that way IMO.
I'm not quite that cynical (yet), but what you say has merit. I would suspect, though, that the majority of such "Republicans" are GOP "Big Tent" RINOs/liberals/moderates rather than conservatives.
A violent human trafficker ran unfairly banned FReeper idratherbepainting off the road yesterday near our houses. She and her husband were driving on the road when they saw two load vehicles pulled over to the side of the road loading up criminal invaders who were coming out of a field. Across the road was a regular elementary school bus stop, but it was later in the day so no kids were there at the precise moment. They slowed so that they could observe and get the license plate numbers of the vehicles. idratherbepainting hith Border Patrol on the speed dial of her cell phone. The violent human trafficker in one of the trucks saw her and recognized what she was doing. He looked angrily at her and put his truck in gear. He then ran idratherbepainting's truck off the road. He turned his vehicle around and then headed straight at them. They thought they were going to be hit head on. They swerved at the last second and a collision was averted.
It was obvious that the violent human trafficker wanted to ram idratherbepainting's truck. She was screaming on the phone with Border Patrol the whole time. The vehicles sped off to the West and then turned North. Sheriff's deputies intercepted the vehicle that had tried to ram them, but not the other truck. They had them on the ground in handcuffs. idratherbepainting told the Sheriff's office that she wanted to file charges. The deputies wrote up the incident and turned the violent human trafficker and his cargo over to Border Patrol.
Today it was learned that the Sheriff refused to file any charges except for reckless driving despite the fact that the violent human trafficker had committed a greater crime. It was also learned that the Border Patrol had released the violent human trafficker and his cargo back into Mexico.
It's interesting how he changes his stories to suit whatever propaganda he is pushing at any given time.
As I have pointed out in 173, the poll on support of guest workers among freepers equates to opinion amongst the general public, differing only by degree.
The poll on sealing the border that you claim to be most accurate is an anamoly compared to polls amongst the general public.
Thanks for being honest about it.
You got the RINO/OBL pegged to a tee. Well said.
They really don't pass the sniff test...
This are the winning positions for candidates interested in running for elective office in either party. The issues sell themselves.
Do you not understand, that poll is an anomoly. Compared to polls exterior to FR, it would have to be bell shaped to be accurate.
Roger that ~ Bump!
I did not quote a poll on "sealing the border". I quoted a poll which offered a handful of options of which FReepers overwhelmingly OPPOSED a guest worker plan by a margin of 8 to 1. Since you were selective in which poll you picked to bolster your retarded point of view and even twisted the results of that poll, you can be expected to be similary idiotic when selecting other polls to support your stupid point of view and to similarly twist their results.
You can't be trusted. You have no credibility. You've proven this time and time again. You're convincing no one at Free Republic to your point of view and you're wasting your time and everyone elses time.
You are welcome.
I'd be willing to accept all (except criminals of course) as permanent residents under the color of law (PRUCOL). That covers temporary as well as those who own property and businesses as well as those with good paying career jobs.
Then enforce existing laws and let the world know in no uncertain terms.
Of the many nationalities here Mexico seems to be the worst offender as far as meddling in our internal affairs. The corrupt government of Mexico has a policy of "a nation beyond borders." They are looking out for their citizens and expect their loyalty in return.
So as for "feeling the love" it is entirely up to them not Americans. Let them choose.
BTW, I have provided links to news articles about Ireland meddling in our affairs vis-a-vis their citizens living here ILLEGALLY. Ditto for them and all who refuse to swear loyalty to the United States of America.
I guess it boils down to which poll do you think is most accurate because they contradict.
The poll on guest workers contradicts your poll.
It is the muslims that you need to worry about, their birthrate is not falling. If anyone inherits the earth, it will be the muslims.
The poll on various border solutions supersedes the poorly worded poll which you reference. Give it up.
Thank you so much, Ben. We'll likely get a lot of mileage out of this one. Good work.
It is a poll that you and others don't like so another poll was introduced to the thread. The logic among your crowd is that the second poll is the truth.
The poll that I introduced is the truth. 60% support a guest worker plan.
The birth rate is the birth rate. You can't spin it.
Every public opinion poll I've seen regarding Amnesties has shown an overwhelming majority of Americans being against Amnesty. Every one. You constantly specify GWP. I'd like to see those polls and what outfit ran them.
And again: The FR poll you referenced shows that 80% want illegal aliens deported back to Mexico under any proposed GWP or dont want a GWP program at all. Doesn't work towards your OBL side does it?
Where have I posted anything in this thread about "sealing the borders ??" (although it is a very good idea !!).
I have only questioned YOUR statement that "sixty percent of FReepers favored a guest worker program".......the poll you linked showed about fifty percent (of your sixty) would approve GW's IF they applied from ORIGIN COUNTRY. (a little *fact* you didn't include in your first post).
If you try to poll amnesty then you have to poll earned legalization. If you poll earned legalization, you have to poll "path to citizenship". It cant be done.
And despite of the horrors of 9/11, the Bush Administration and Congress saw fit to continue the insane policy of allowing immigration from the very Terrorist harboring nations that brought us this nightmare. Says a lot about the leadership of this country.