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Schiavo's 'Dr. Humane Death' Got 1980 Diagnosis Wrong
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Posted on 04/12/2005 7:20:07 AM PDT by kcvl

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To: Trout-Mouth
The more I research this, the more heartsick I become...the AMA and the ACLU justify declaring anencephalic babies "dead" at birth so their organs can be harvested:

Babies and Body Parts

Paul C. Fox

Not so many years ago death was a simple enough concept. If a person's heart ceased to beat for any great length of time he was dead, and that was that. Then along came medical technology, and suddenly what had been simple became complicated. Now a person's heart can be stopped completely for hours, and yet, thanks to the heart-lung machine, that person's brain will survive undamaged. The person is dead by the old definition, yet obviously not really dead. On the other hand-again thanks to medical technology-a person's brain can be irreparably destroyed, even though the heart may be kept beating for many hours. The person is still alive by the old definition, yet most of us instinctively feel that he is somehow not really living.

The altered perception of what constitutes life and death underlies the ethical dilemmas surrounding organ transplantation today. Of course, there is no controversy if, for example, a living person voluntarily donates a kidney to a relative who needs one. No one has to die in order for the transplant to be performed. This is not the case, however, with transplantations of such vital organs as the heart, the lungs, and the liver, where the donor must necessarily be dead before the transplantation can take place. Yet since, even with the best available medical technology, the organs deteriorate fairly rapidly, they must be "harvested" (in the macabre terminology of transplantation) when the donor is-you'll pardon the expression-"freshly dead." In other words, there is a considerable urgency about removing the donor's organs as soon as possible after his death. At the same time, there is also an overwhelming need to prevent "premature removal," i.e., removing the vital organs of a person who is not yet dead.

To deal with these problems, the medical community has developed strict criteria for defining what is called "brain death." These criteria are extremely detailed and, until now, very much biased toward presuming that life continues: there is virtually no possibility that a person who is actually still living will be proclaimed dead. For example, someone who has been comatose for years, and whose responsiveness is limited to a few primitive reflexes, will still not qualify as "brain dead" by these criteria. Neither will an anencephalic baby, that is, a baby born with no cerebral cortex but with enough brain matter to permit primitive reflexes. And that brings us to the latest development in the ethics of transplantation.

Consider the following. Of all the children whose lives could be saved by an organ transplant, half die because of a shortage of donated organs. On the other hand, anencephalic babies, who are born with almost no brain but are otherwise physically normal, can only survive a few days after birth. On the surface, it seems like an almost perfect match: the organs of a baby who cannot live can be used to rescue another child who must otherwise die. That, at least, is how it looked to physicians at Loma Linda University in 1987, when they set up a special program designed to salvage the organs of anencephalic babies for transplantation. However, in eight months of operation the program failed to salvage even one viable organ. Why? Simply because these babies were not "brain dead" at birth: impaired as they were, they retained enough brain function to fail the criteria for death. By the time these babies finally did die, their organs had suffered severe damage and were no longer usable.

The physicians and nurses at Loma Linda accepted their defeat, some of them with considerable relief. An anencephalic baby is still a baby after all, and the act of inflicting intensive care on a dying infant simply in order to be able to harvest its organs after death began to take an emotional toll on the staff.

There are some, however, who are not so willing to relinquish this potential source of donor organs. In 1992 the Florida State Supreme Court heard the "Baby Theresa" case. In this case the parents, backed by the ACLU, requested that their anencephalic baby be declared dead at birth, even though she did not meet the accepted criteria for brain death, so that her heart could be transplanted into another child. One can only guess what the parents' motives and feelings were. Perhaps they were trying to assuage guilt feelings or offer themselves comfort by trying to bring some good out of a tragic situation. Perhaps they were able, by some exercise of self-hypnosis, to avoid realizing what would actually be done to their baby: that she would be taken to an operating room, and there-even though she was able to breathe, kick, and cry-her heart would be removed for use as a "donor organ."

The reasoning of the ACLU in this case was chilling. They noted "the inconsistency of permitting the termination of pregnancies up to the moment of birth" while at the same time "prohibiting the donation of organs just after birth." As they put it, "There is absolutely no morally significant change in the fetus between the moments immediately preceding and following birth." Note that exactly the same argument used by the pro-life movement for years in defending the unborn is now being used by the ACLU to justify infanticide.

It is not hard to see where this reasoning leads. Though the ACLU denies that its position "serves as a springboard to institutional murder," it clearly does just that. The reasoning used to justify declaring anencephalic babies "dead" at birth can be applied with equal logic to any other baby whose deformities might have moved its parents to abort it, had they but known of them. In fact, this reasoning really strips all newborns of any protection. If abortion on demand "up to the very moment of birth" is morally acceptable, as the ACLU asserts, why not infanticide on demand? And why stop at infants? There are millions of retarded children and adults whose lives are below the high standards of the social engineers. Why not declare them dead as well? At a stroke, the organ shortage could be solved.

Fortunately, the Florida Supreme Court had the uncommon (these days) good sense to reject the ACLU's arguments. Baby Theresa was allowed to live out her short life without being terminated for some "higher good." But it was too much to hope that the notion of harvesting organs from handicapped infants would die with her.

Last summer, no less an authority than the AMA Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs declared that it is "ethically permissible" for anencephalic infants to be used as donors while still alive. In its opinion, the Council admitted that it is normally preferable for an organ donor to be dead before removing vital organs, but made an exception in the case of anencephalics for two main reasons: first, "because of the great need for children's organs," and second, because anencephalics "have never experienced, and will never experience, consciousness." Or, as one supporter of the decision bluntly put it, "The quality of life for this child is so low it would be ethically justifiable to sacrifice its life by a few days to save the life of another person."

Such reasoning cannot be confined to the narrow case of anencephalics. Due to improvements in prenatal care the incidence of anencephaly has declined steadily, so that fewer than one hundred babies with anencephaly are likely to be born in the United States each year, and many of them are born with such serious organ defects that they would be excluded as organ donors. Clearly, anencephalics alone would not begin to address the "great need for children's organs" that the Council cited in justifying its decision.

The Council's decision must be seen for what it is-the thin edge of the wedge. Using the dual arguments of "no possibility of consciousness" and "poor quality of life," it will not be difficult to extend the Council's reasoning widely. What about children and adults in a "persistent vegetative state"? If in the judgment of the medical experts such people no longer have the possibility of consciousness, what ethical obstacle remains to removing their vital organs? What about the profoundly retarded who, as all compassionate social planners will agree, have a "low quality of life"? What about a child with third-degree burns over 90 percent of his body? He has no chance of survival, and an obviously low quality of life, yet his heart is beating strongly-a heart that another child could use. Why not end the needless suffering of one child, and give the gift of life to another through one painless and humane operation?

Unthinkable? Think again. Think first of everything that was unthinkable thirty years ago and is now commonplace: abortion on demand, the growing acceptance of euthanasia, genetic engineering, cloning, and so on. Think of the unthinkable Holocaust. The ideas behind that horror originated not with the Nazis but with the "humane" social scientists of Germany's finest universities. Then think of the combined resources of the AMA and the ACLU turned against the Baby Theresas of our society. We must anticipate the unthinkable, or the unthinkable will become routine.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul C. Fox, a member of the Hutterian Brethren, is a medical doctor in Farmington, Pennsylvania.

Babies and Body Parts (second article on that page)

41 posted on 04/12/2005 11:43:23 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Cboldt
Yikes. Well I wasn't planning to move to Florida anyway -- though I wonder if most other states aren't just as bad.

Since judges everywhere seem to have arrogated such god-like power of interpretation of patients' "wishes," AND the power to change the meaning of words (e.g., "marriage," "terminal condition," "imminent death"), maybe your life in such situation depends simply on the luck of the draw!

All the more reason NOT to execute a "living will," but instead to designate durable power of attorney for your health care to some trusted persons --no matter where you live.

That seems to be the best defense against imperious judges that I've been able to find.

42 posted on 04/12/2005 11:46:21 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: shhrubbery!
"All the more reason NOT to execute a "living will," but instead to designate durable power of attorney for your health care to some trusted persons --no matter where you live."

That's what Father Pavone recommends, the Priests for Life priest.

43 posted on 04/12/2005 11:50:16 AM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: shhrubbery!
All the more reason NOT to execute a "living will," but instead to designate durable power of attorney for your health care to some trusted persons --no matter where you live.

Yup. I agree. It's the only reliable way to circumvent the death shysters when one is not able to express one's own wishes.

44 posted on 04/12/2005 11:52:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ravingnutter
I am very sorry to hear of your father's suffering. And, yours as well seeing him die in such a manner. Watching the story unfold about Terri for several years and her cruel death leaves me cold. If this is what the medical community thinks is dying with dignity and peace they ought to be sued for such horrendous capricious malpractice and negligence.

My Grandfather died of cancer several years ago. Although, the last three days of his life he no longer wished to eat, his doctorgave him nutrtion and hydration through an IV. But that was before people like George Felos, and Dr. Cranford.

My Grandfather truly died in peace.

While Felos and his gang of ghoulish euthanasiacs spew on about dignity and peace, the ravage and pillage of starvation and dehydration upon the human body is hardly dignified.

I can only imagine your pain in seeing your Father enduring starvation and dehydration. I am glad that you are actively getting the truth you saw with your eyes out to the rest of us who may have been swayed by certain medical professionals that appear to be more interested in moving patients in and out of their offices and hospital beds, than in the ethics of starving a human being to death.

Thank you again for your heartfelt honesty in your reply.

45 posted on 04/12/2005 11:56:07 AM PDT by harpo11 (Fritz Bring The Filibuster On!)
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To: kcvl

Dr. Humane Aider-and-Abetter of murder.


46 posted on 04/12/2005 12:01:46 PM PDT by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: kcvl

http://gnn.tv/headlines/2121/A_Culture_of_Death_Not_Life

Mae Magouirk safe for now. See Tekgnosis for further details.

Tell the Media to report the REAL Schiavo polls!

http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=7351686&type=ME

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/4/emw226586.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/prweb/20050408/bs_prweb/prweb226586_3

My account, etc. of Terri Schindler's Funeral Mass:

http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2005/04/terris_funeral_.html

Main page:

http://tekgnosis.typepad.com


47 posted on 04/12/2005 12:02:02 PM PDT by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: Regulator; Edgerunner
Yeah, but Lisa Daniels had been chattering about getting "the other side of the story", so she interviewed the thug.

I saw that Cranford interview with Lisa Daniels !

Too bad Scarborough terminated the interview as Cranford berated Daniels for being "stupid."

I was yelling at our TV screen "No, Joe, don't stop him! Let him keep on showing the world what an arrogant @$$ he is!"

Sadly, Joe didn't listen to my advice. Guess he was being gallant.

(Btw, Lisa Daniels is IMO the classiest looking reporterette on TV -- though I doubt I'd agree with many of her opinions.)

48 posted on 04/12/2005 12:10:12 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: yellowdoghunter; kcvl
Thanks for posting this.

ditto.

49 posted on 04/12/2005 12:14:52 PM PDT by tame (Frist and Cheney are WRONG--Tom Delay is RIGHT!)
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To: kcvl
Terri Schiavo's diagnosis is of no importance, unless you believe that it is OK to murder persons with severe brain damage who are not going to recover.

I don't, so I don't care what her diagnosis is, or was.

50 posted on 04/12/2005 12:18:55 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: ravingnutter
His only other choice, IV feeding would have only prolonged his life by 3 months at best.

Sorry to hear of your grandfather's suffering, and like the previous poster, I'd like to thank you for your honesty.

This brings me to ask whether patients are properly informed that they may continue to be hydrated by IV, or perhaps just by small amounts by mouth, when eating or feeding by tube becomes too burdensome.

I would hope that if a patient is conscious and capable of making decisions, that the doctor would honestly describe how agonizing death by dehydration can be.

If I were in such a terminal condition, I think I would choose to continue hydration in some form, even if it prolonged my life a bit longer.

From your witness, it sounds as if that would be easier on the relatives, too.

51 posted on 04/12/2005 12:23:18 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

You are correct, that is why it is GOD who should decide when a person is to be taken home, NOT some man, with dubious motives and even more dubious hearsay backing. Terri Schiavo was MURDERED period.!!


52 posted on 04/12/2005 12:52:01 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: nevergore
The issue was as a society should we allow another fellow human starve to death because we determined that their life as it is is less valuable than ours......

Well said.

53 posted on 04/12/2005 1:08:14 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (You should be TERRIfied that you may someday be SCHIAVOed to death!)
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To: ravingnutter; backhoe

Ping to more pro-euthanisia madness links.


54 posted on 04/12/2005 1:15:41 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (You should be TERRIfied that you may someday be SCHIAVOed to death!)
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To: kcvl

These cases are very different and it should be noted that the patient in the first began to recover within six months from the diagnosis and removal from artifical life support. Schiavo only deteriorated further and died after life support was removed.


55 posted on 04/12/2005 1:15:41 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: nutmeg
Thanks for the ping.

PVS is a nebulous term.

56 posted on 04/12/2005 1:24:34 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: shhrubbery!
I was yelling at our TV screen "No, Joe, don't stop him! Let him keep on showing the world what an arrogant @$$ he is!"

That's right. The best thing is to put the goons on TV and let them indict themselves. The only thing you really have to do then is put someone intelligent on afterwards who deconstructs every bit of drivel they spew. The contrast will tell most people just how insane an obsessed jerk like Cranford is.

And yeah, Lisa is serious good looking. But Cranford might have been close to the truth with his comment about her.

57 posted on 04/12/2005 1:47:25 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Edgerunner
I saw that interview, and the doctor was abusive, crude, and resorted to name calling.

I saw it, too. Cranford behaved like a defensive, immature crazed person.

He acted crazier than Lawrence O'Donnell, though he shouted less.

58 posted on 04/12/2005 3:36:41 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: shhrubbery!

You haven't read the same Florida law that I have. The Florida statutes make no mention whatsoever of the minimally-conscious state, and by the definition of PVS that they have, Terri wouldn't have qualified, because she did respond sometimes to her environment or other stimuli. The Florida law says that a person is PVS when there is "no response of any kind".


59 posted on 04/12/2005 3:51:01 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: syriacus

Dr. Cranford travel over state lines and was paid to say Terri was brain-dead. He gave her recognition of her following commands, etc. praising her on video and then the next day says she had no brain. The man is guilty of breaking federal commerce laws among other more heinous things.

Re: Greer - anybody seen this yet?

http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2005/04/floridah_gov_an.html#comments

While I disagree about some of the comments re: culpability in the comments of this person I wasn't aware of this url he mentions at the end of the comments.


60 posted on 04/12/2005 4:09:08 PM PDT by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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