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Scientists Analyze Chromosomes 2 and 4: Discover Largest "Gene Deserts"
National Human Genome Research Institute ^ | 06 April 2005 | Staff

Posted on 04/13/2005 6:20:23 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Dog Gone

Think of a taking a trip to the grocery store with a friend. If you come out with more bags than your friend, that doesn't necessarily mean you bought more groceries. Similarly having more chromosomes (analogous to more bags) doesn't necessarily imply having more genes (analogous to the groceries.) Of course, having said that, having more genes in a genome is also not necessarily required to have more complexity.


181 posted on 04/14/2005 5:35:29 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Cicero

If we were created by God, then what possible observation would be different from what we would observe if we are the result of evolution? If both ideas produce identical observable results, the science will assume the simpler one. The ideas boil down to: We see certain observations. We can account for these observations by well understood natural processes or we can account for them by well understood natural processes and, in addition, an omnipotent supernatural being. Simpler, in a scientific sense, means we should not needlessly add entities to a theory. In this case, if we don't need God to account for observations, then a scientific theory should not include God. This doesn't mean that the theory says that God doesn't exist, but rather that God is not needed to explain the phenomenon that the theory tries to explain. I would contend that there is no difference in the observations that would be expected if God really created everything than there are if it's all a result of natural processes. If I am wrong, then please give a specific difference in what would be observed ONLY if God created everything, and not otherwise.


182 posted on 04/14/2005 5:43:07 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Echo Talon

It would help your credibility if you could actually state what evolution really says and not some cartoon version of it. Knocking down strawmen does nothing to help the Creationist's arguments.


183 posted on 04/14/2005 5:48:14 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Strategerist; Echo Talon

I also think that millions of Catholics will find it surprising to find out that the all-knowing authority, freeper Echo Talon, has pronounced that the Pope and any Catholics who believed him when he said that evolution is not incompatible with Catholicism are not really Christians!


184 posted on 04/14/2005 5:52:01 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Echo Talon

What the Pope states is exactly what you deny, namely that it is possible to be a Christian who believes that evolution is a valid scientific theory.


185 posted on 04/14/2005 5:56:45 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Thinkin' Gal
That makes more sense than some of the stuff from the simian side.
186 posted on 04/14/2005 6:10:00 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: PatrickHenry
"gene desert"?

More unused DNA?

Ofcourse you realize this proves me right.

187 posted on 04/14/2005 6:11:30 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jer 7:18 and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven;)
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To: furball4paws; jwalsh07

dang I can be a dope sometimes. An hour later I was lying in bad going..... haploid, haploid.... chromosomes.... increased harvest.... big tomatoes..... ahhhhhhh


188 posted on 04/14/2005 6:16:44 AM PDT by ndt
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To: Vaquero
"Species" not "specie"; the words do have different meanings.

(I may often didact but I never pedant.)
189 posted on 04/14/2005 6:17:54 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: hershey
... Well, it looks as if the Good Lord has a plan for us. He's left room to add stuff as needed. It's like soup. A little seasoning, then taste to see what's missing...and add that.

"Look at your children
See their faces in golden rays
Don’t kid yourself they belong to you
They’re the start of a coming race
The earth is a bitch
We’ve finished our news
Homo sapiens have outgrown their use
All the strangers came today
And it looks as though they’re here to stay"

"Oh you pretty things (oh you pretty things)
Don’t you know you’re driving your
Mamas and papas insane
Oh you pretty things (oh you pretty things)
Don’t you know you’re driving your
Mamas and papas insane
Let me make it plain
You gotta make way for the Homo superior"

190 posted on 04/14/2005 6:22:39 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

guess I created my own singular.


191 posted on 04/14/2005 6:31:25 AM PDT by Vaquero ("There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain))
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To: Echo Talon

The point is, that according to creationism there is a wide gap between humans and apes. According to creationism, if I show you a creature, it should be no problem for you to tell me if it's an ape or a human. The point is that CREATIONISTS disagree as to whether these creatures are apes or humans, thus falsifying the idea that there should be no problem distinguishing apes from humans.


192 posted on 04/14/2005 6:31:30 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Chromosome 2:


193 posted on 04/14/2005 6:41:24 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Expedients are for the hour, but principles are for the ages.)
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The universe-builds-a-bigger-idiot placemarker.


194 posted on 04/14/2005 6:46:16 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Chiapet
De-lurking briefly to say that you reckon correctly.

Why thank you! It's always nice to have one's prejudices confirmed.

195 posted on 04/14/2005 6:55:32 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: jwalsh07
How do you supppose that first 23 Chromosomer haploid felt when he met his female counterpart, the 24 Chromosomer haploid?

Don't know about the first, but this situation is not extremely rare in humans. Most mismatches are detrimental, but a few go unnoticed unless a DNA test is done.

196 posted on 04/14/2005 6:56:47 AM PDT by js1138 (There are 10 kinds of people: those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: Echo Talon
Sorry, but im tired and can't keep you heathens entertained anymore... I have been up all night working on a project. My advise to you is... Run to church!!! Don't walk.. RUN TO CHURCH! :P

Are there heathens here? Where? How do you know?

197 posted on 04/14/2005 7:12:43 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: stremba
... having said that, having more genes in a genome is also not necessarily required to have more complexity.

More code doesn't necessarily make a better program.

198 posted on 04/14/2005 7:36:52 AM PDT by js1138 (There are 10 kinds of people: those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Bad spelling drives out the good.


199 posted on 04/14/2005 7:39:38 AM PDT by js1138 (There are 10 kinds of people: those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: jwalsh07
Dunno.

This is the usual answer that comes from basic ID theory. It's no surprise that most folks don't have much use for it.

200 posted on 04/14/2005 7:42:23 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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