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To: Thatcherite

Bible Law says that if a master beats a slave and the slave dies within a day then the master is guilty. You use that to accuse God of being unjust. Those of us who are able to examine things in perspective understand that this rule was given in times where slaves could be beaten to death with no consequences whatsoever. This law was meant to limit punishment of slaves, not promote it. You instead take this to mean that God should be condemned for advocating that masters be allowed to use any force at all. There were thousands of captive aliens in Israel. There were bond servants who stole from their masters and beat their fellow servants. Perhaps you think the U.S. military should not have been allowed to use force to manage the tens of thousands of prisioners in our various wars.

Warfare slaves aside, how does one control an anti-social individual who does not have the skill set to successfully navigate civilized society? The Bible says he can become a bond servant to a master (of his choosing if he is an Israelite) who has authority to punish him. Other than that it is about like a seven year contract in the armed forces. At the end of the seven years perhaps he has learned enough to go out on his own, or maybe he realizes that he needs the structure and likes things with his master.

Secular humanists (such as yourself apparently) say that is too inhuman. Instead we must lock this same individual in a cage for seven years, taking more of his freedom than slavery ever could, with other more hardened criminals. After seven years of learning/getting beatings from them rather than a responisble member of the law abiding community, we release the now hardened criminal on an unsuspecting public until he murders someone and the police have to shoot him.

God is just, and his ways are above our ways, praise His Holy Name. Will you continue to mis-use the scriptures in a vain effort to condemn God, or will you use them to find forgiveness and healing from the condemnation that a just God must put on you?


325 posted on 05/01/2005 8:59:12 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
As I believe that the scriptures were written by men, not God, I can hardly be condemning God for the words of men.

I note that you ignore nearly all of the points that I have made, preferring to concentrate on the least odious practice of bondservice. Elsewhere you argue against numerous positions that I have not taken up. You then terminate your screed with a thinly veiled reference to the threat of eternal damnation hanging over me if I don't see things your way.

But there is yet hope. You concede that Biblical Law was framed to be appropriate for the Bronze Age goatherds of the time, and you urge me to "examine things in perspective". I agree, this is exactly the way that Biblical Law should be viewed. It probably was a step forward on the morals of the time. Moral Relativism in fact. Can I urge you in turn to "examine things in perspective" and to ponder whether creation tales and histories that were also appropriate for Bronze Age goatherds should trump the evidence available to modern science.

326 posted on 05/03/2005 1:22:34 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Ahban
Those of us who are able to examine things in perspective understand that this rule was given in times where slaves could be beaten to death with no consequences whatsoever.

So which has changed over time -- God or morality? Are there things acceptable at some periods of history but not at others?

333 posted on 05/03/2005 9:00:34 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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