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Pompei Discovery For Swedish Archaeologists
The Local ^ | 4-17-2005

Posted on 04/17/2005 1:36:52 PM PDT by blam

Published: 17th April 2005 11:48 BST+1

Pompei discovery for Swedish archeologists

(AFP) Swedish archeologists have discovered a Stone Age settlement covered in ash under the ruins of the ancient city of Pompei, indicating that the volcano Vesuvius engulfed the area in lava more than 3,500 years before the famous 79 AD eruption.

The archeologists recently found burnt wood and grains of corn in the earth under Pompei, Anne-Marie Leander Touati, a professor of archeology at Stockholm University who led the team, told AFP.

"Carbon dating shows that the finds are from prehistoric times, that is, from 3,500 years BC," Leander Touati said. It was until now believed that Pompei was first inhabited during the Bronze Age.

The group of archeologists - part of a larger international project - were mapping a Roman neighbourhood of Pompei when they made the discovery.

"It was a real fluke," Leander Touati said, explaining that the group was emptying a well to determine its use when it made the find.

"We realized that the well was a lot deeper than we thought, and we sent a guy down into the well. He moved some of the earth and suddenly he was in prehistoric times," she said.

The Stone Age remains were covered in a thick layer of ash. On top of that a a layer of ceramic shards was found, which according to Leander Touati could be from the Bronze Age. Additional geological layers lay on top of that, and on top of it all were the ruins of Pompei.

Pompei was covered in lava when Vesuvius erupted in 79 AD. The excellently preserved ruins have become one of the world's most visited archaeological sites.

Leander Touati said her group was now planning the next step.

"We're going down there again," she said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeologists; archaeology; bronzeage; catastrophism; discovery; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; italy; pompei; pompeii; prehistoricpompeii; swedish; vesuvius

1 posted on 04/17/2005 1:36:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 04/17/2005 1:37:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Note to self - never live near volcanoes.


3 posted on 04/17/2005 1:39:39 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: blam

It must be a lovely spot, the volcano notwithstanding, to have attracted so many settlements through the ages.


4 posted on 04/17/2005 1:42:21 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: blam

I have always felt that in a previous life, I lived and died in Pompei when Vesuvius erupted in 79 AD. I am series.


5 posted on 04/17/2005 1:46:45 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: blam

I wonder when Vesuvius is due to erupt again?


6 posted on 04/17/2005 1:48:45 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: i_dont_chat
I have always felt that in a previous life, I lived and died in Pompei when Vesuvius erupted in 79 AD. I am series.

Nobody's ever reported living and dying in The Bronx in a previous life. It's always someplace famous and cool.

Mysterious, huh?

7 posted on 04/17/2005 1:49:22 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: All

Discovery Channel: BUT IN 4 YEARS THE SUPER VOLCANO IS GOING TO GET EVERYONE!


8 posted on 04/17/2005 1:50:31 PM PDT by el_doctor2
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To: blam

I didn't do it.


9 posted on 04/17/2005 1:51:45 PM PDT by Vesuvian ((insert something witty here))
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To: Hank Rearden

Not only that, all the people I know who "recover" past lives just happened to be kings or queens in those glamorous places. Nobody ever claims to have been an apprentice tanner with bad acne, living in hickville...


11 posted on 04/17/2005 1:53:57 PM PDT by A. Goodwin
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To: blam
Re: "...discovered a Stone Age settlement covered in ash under the ruins of the ancient city of Pompei, indicating that the volcano Vesuvius engulfed the area in lava..."

Now that is what I call global warming! Funny I didn't know the oil and gas industrial complex was around that far back.

Live and learn.
12 posted on 04/17/2005 1:57:03 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Aetius
"I wonder when Vesuvius is due to erupt again?"

Probably before Jan. 20, 2009...That so it will be Bush's fault

13 posted on 04/17/2005 2:00:55 PM PDT by el_texicano
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To: blam
Pompei was covered in lava when Vesuvius erupted in 79 AD

Pompeii was NOT covered in lava but rather in ash.Lava would have destroyed completely all that neat stuff which renders the place a well stocked museum.

14 posted on 04/17/2005 2:01:23 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: William Creel

In my previous lives, I was a drunk. So in my present life, I only drink on weekends or weekdays.


15 posted on 04/17/2005 2:09:12 PM PDT by Founding Father (Another pearl of wisdom from my imaginary mind.)
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To: Bahbah
It must be a lovely spot, the volcano notwithstanding ...

One of the most beautiful in the world.

16 posted on 04/17/2005 2:18:34 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: el_doctor2
BUT IN 4 YEARS THE SUPER VOLCANO IS GOING TO GET EVERYONE!

Did they actually state that or are you making that up?

17 posted on 04/17/2005 2:20:38 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: A. Goodwin
Nobody ever claims to have been an apprentice tanner with bad acne, living in hickville...

I read some book a long time back and the woman was supposed to have been a prostitute in the old west! Not exactly glamorous. Didn't say if she had ance though.

18 posted on 04/17/2005 2:22:38 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: Hank Rearden
Nobody's ever reported living and dying in The Bronx in a previous life. It's always someplace famous and cool.

They never remember being a slave in a salt mine either. They're always Cleopatra or Ceasar.
19 posted on 04/17/2005 2:23:05 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: Netizen

Discovery ran a "Documentary" It was more like something from the producer of the day after tomarrarow. In it, Yellowstone became a super volcano and destroyed half the world.

The headline was... "This is a true story it just hasnt happened yet"


20 posted on 04/17/2005 2:26:39 PM PDT by el_doctor2
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To: Netizen

I've always had an eerie sensation that I died in Lockerbie. Ive had dreams I was on the flight. Remember faces. And was concieved days after the Disaster. Weird eh?


21 posted on 04/17/2005 2:37:54 PM PDT by el_doctor2
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To: blam

Living near an active volcano can be a real pain in the ash !


22 posted on 04/17/2005 2:43:23 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: blam

The Swedes are good at this kind of stuff- I just watched a movie about them going to the center of the earth and finding a giant lake and dinosaurs- until they got blown out of a volcano.


23 posted on 04/17/2005 2:49:24 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: el_doctor2
I've always had an eerie sensation that I died in Lockerbie. Ive had dreams I was on the flight. Remember faces.

A high-school buddy of mine died on that plane. Did you know him?

24 posted on 04/17/2005 3:23:08 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: el_doctor2
"Discovery ran a "Documentary" It was more like something from the producer of the day after tomarrarow. In it, Yellowstone became a super volcano and destroyed half the world. "

"The headline was... "This is a true story it just hasnt happened yet">/i>

I saw this documentary, the only thing 'technically' I saw wrong with it was that it was too optimsitic, they didn't even consider the 'nuclear winter' scenario. It has erupted at least three times. The last time it erupted, it deposited six feet of ash in Nebraska.

25 posted on 04/17/2005 4:37:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: el_doctor2
Check out what this little eruption of Tambora caused.

Eighteeen Hundred And Froze To Death (The Infamous 'Year Without Summer')

26 posted on 04/17/2005 4:43:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: A. Goodwin
Not only that, all the people I know who "recover" past lives just happened to be kings or queens in those glamorous places. Nobody ever claims to have been an apprentice tanner with bad acne, living in hickville...

One of the best explanations, from a Christian perspective, that I have heard is: Demons are spiritual beings that predate Eden and have always had the ability to possess mankind. Demons are also personalities with a memory and carry with themselves memories from their own past. The memories of the demoniac become intermingled with the possessed person's memories and the person then perceives, in a shadowy, vague way, the past memories of the demonic entity as being their own. So that a possessed person then can remember existing in the past as the same or different sex, in a different place and time. Scripture teaches that legions of demons are able to possess the same person at the same time. Later the same legions can be dispersed and possessing many different others. So that many people can in fact seem to have the same past-life memories of being a particular person in the past.

I also think that demons are more likely to pursue possessing notables like Hitler, Alexander the Great, Saddam Hussein etc...

27 posted on 04/17/2005 4:43:54 PM PDT by Lester Moore (Islam's Allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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To: blam

Very cool finding.


28 posted on 04/17/2005 4:47:57 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: nutmeg

find later bump


29 posted on 04/17/2005 4:48:49 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: blam

For serious students of history in general and Pompeii in particular...

http://www.stomptokyo.com/otf/Warrior-Queen/Warrior-Queen.htm


30 posted on 04/17/2005 4:49:47 PM PDT by KamperKen
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To: mtbopfuyn

Location...location...location.

Look at the mound of "Troy's" at the Dardanelles.


31 posted on 04/17/2005 4:51:08 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: A. Goodwin

I think I was one of those poor grunts lugging big blocks of stone up to the top of a big pointy thing in a previous life... Oh, wait a minute. Thats *THIS* life...


32 posted on 04/17/2005 5:15:49 PM PDT by chadwimc
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To: Lester Moore

I think I saw that on TV once. Didn't Satan shove a pineapple up Hitler's you know what?


33 posted on 04/17/2005 5:19:33 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf
I think I saw that on TV once. Didn't Satan shove a pineapple up Hitler's you know what?

I can't remember.

34 posted on 04/17/2005 7:43:23 PM PDT by Lester Moore (Islam's Allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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Bronze Age Village
Thursday 29 November 2001
A prehistoric village has been uncovered near Pompeii, more than 3,500 years after it was buried by Mount Vesuvius as the Roman city was centuries later. Experts called the find at Nola, near Naples, "sensational" and said the site could be the world's best preserved early Bronze Age village. The site is north of both Pompeii and Vesuvius, and suggests that the community was thriving when it was surprised by the eruption. Wooden structures in the village were destroyed by the heat but the mud that filled the buildings created a natural mould of everything they contained. Archaeologists believe that a man and a woman whose skeletons were dug up five years ago had been trying to escape from the village during the eruption.
Move Over, Pompeii
by Jarrett A. Lobell
March/April 2002
Although much of the structure of the prehistoric huts was destroyed by the eruption, falling ash and volcanic mud hardened to create a kind of mold of the village in reverse, much like the casts of the victims of Vesuvius' more famous eruption. In addition to the remains of actual huts, which go far beyond the usual post holes, director Giuseppe Vecchio and his team have also excavated a rich array of finds that reveal much about domestic life at the time. Since Nola is only 7.5 miles from the volcano, people probably did not have time to pack before the eruption, and left behind cooking utensils, drinking cups, hunting tools, a hat decorated with wild boars' teeth, and a pot waiting to be fired in the kiln. Evidence for their diet has also been found, including pig, sheep, and cow bones, pots full of grain, and a pen, elevated six feet off the ground and filled with the bones of pregnant goats.
Nola: A Prehistoric "Pompeii"
by Judith Harris
To date, five Bronze Age villages have been found near Vesuvius. "Obviously there were more," said Stefano de Caro, director of the Naples Archaeological Museum. "This shows how densely settled the area was even in prehistoric times." But de Caro also noted that the Nola site is by far the most complete Bronze Age village yet found: "This is the first time [in Italy] we have found everything together: the dead, dwellings, crafts, customs, food."
Bronze-Age Venice
by Jarrett A. Lobell
July/August 2002
There is evidence of stilt houses and drainage systems, and the settlements' small islets are separated by artificial canals whose edges were strengthened with vertical logs later replaced by squared timbers... The islets, joined by bridges, may have eventually been home to as many as 2,000 people and were enlarged several times over the centuries to accommodate the community's growing population. The remains of wooden huts, stands for dugout canoes, furnishings, as well as evidence of bronze and perhaps amber working, have also been found. The site was abandoned during sixth-century floods and mudslides, and scholars say it is possible that the deserters of Poggiomarino were, in fact, the founders of Pompeii.

35 posted on 04/17/2005 8:56:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Thanks Blam. Welcome ken21.
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36 posted on 04/17/2005 9:01:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: SunkenCiv
...a hat decorated with wild boars' teeth, ...

I 'd say the people who have ridiculed Homer's reference to Boar's Tooth Helmets have some explaining to do. It appears they became fashionable throughout the Mediterranean long before the Trojan War.

37 posted on 04/17/2005 9:57:36 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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To: Hank Rearden

ha ha ha


too funny!


38 posted on 04/17/2005 9:59:08 PM PDT by Barney59 (Now there's a man with an open mind - you can feel the breeze from here!)
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To: KamperKen

I'm now dumber than before I read the article at the end of that link.


39 posted on 04/17/2005 10:28:30 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
"I'm now dumber than before I read the article at the end of that link."

LOL, me too. I think KamperKen has been sitting a little to close to the Kamp fire.

40 posted on 04/18/2005 7:19:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: mtbopfuyn

LOL!!!


41 posted on 04/18/2005 7:21:55 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: el_doctor2
Yellowstone became a super volcano ...

It still is.

The headline was... "This is a true story it just hasnt happened yet"

It happened three times before, the last time was some 600,000 years ago.

42 posted on 04/18/2005 7:59:27 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: blam

Pompei is one of the places I want to go before I die....
I just get chills when I see pictures of how everything was caught in time. Now there is an second settlement...WOW!

Be still my heart!


43 posted on 04/18/2005 8:04:45 AM PDT by najida (I wish I had Tina Turner's legs, Ann Coulter's brains and Paris Hilton's credit cards.)
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To: najida

"Pompei is one of the places I want to go before I die...."

When you eventually get to Pompeii, be sure to schedule Herculaneum as well (the modern town of "Ercolano"). It's smaller but much better preserved. Most tourists seem to miss it, which is unfortunate.

I remember how excited I was the day I went to Pompeii, and I wasn't disappointed. Also, the best preserved sculpture from the classical world is to be seen at the museum in Naples.


44 posted on 04/18/2005 9:18:59 AM PDT by KamperKen
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To: kitchen

well said!

In Search of the Real Troy
Saudi Aramco World | January/February 2005 Volume 56, Number 1 | Graham Chandler, Photographed by Ergun Cagata
Posted on 02/20/2005 2:33:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1347422/posts

Was There a Trojan War?
Archaeology | May/June 2004 | Manfred Korfmann
Posted on 07/29/2004 11:43:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1181498/posts


45 posted on 04/18/2005 9:20:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: i_dont_chat

"I am series."

But was the eruption HUGH?


46 posted on 04/18/2005 9:21:28 AM PDT by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: Netizen
Did they actually state that or are you making that up?

From what I've read, a pyroclastic blast is overdue.

47 posted on 04/18/2005 10:27:41 AM PDT by lizma
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


48 posted on 09/01/2012 10:48:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Note: this topic is from 4/17/2005.



49 posted on 09/01/2012 10:50:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: KamperKen

I went to both Pompeii and Herculaneum early in July this year. I was actually stunned by the size of Pompeii. When they say it was a city, they mean it was a CITY. I think I expected a few square blocks (like what you get with Herculaneum) but in actuality, it took us a long time to walk from the coliseum back to the entrance. You could spend a couple of days before seeing the whole place. We barely made a dent. The concrete casts of the victims are no longer there, except for two in glass cases.

The day after, we climbed Vesuvius. You can see the remnants of the old cone, and how much was just blown apart. Vesuvius is quiet now, but I saw pictures of WWII Allied bombers flying near it with lots of smoke and ash in the air. If it has lots of little burps, nothing too terrible will come of it. But if it goes like in 79......well, even with a bit of warning, lots of people will die because that is a very densely populated area, and the Italians can’t form a queue in the best of times. An evacuation will be a train wreck.


50 posted on 09/03/2012 4:31:35 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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