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Riding the free trade raft over the falls
WorldNetDaily ^ | April 18, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 04/18/2005 6:37:40 AM PDT by A. Pole

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1 posted on 04/18/2005 6:37:41 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...

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2 posted on 04/18/2005 6:38:30 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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But here, the free-traders enter a cul de sac. They recoil at tariffs like Lucifer from holy water, but have no idea how to stop the hemorrhaging of jobs, technology, factories and dollars, except exhortation and prayer. For as 19th-century liberals, they believe free trade is "God's Diplomacy." Whoever rejects it sins in the heart. True believers all, they will ride this raft right over the falls and take us with them. This unyielding belief in the salvific power of free trade is, like socialism, one of modernity's secular religions.

Pat has a good pen!

3 posted on 04/18/2005 6:41:51 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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What place do facts have here at freetraderrepublic.com?

It amazes me how freepers have rejected globalist liberal tax theory, but completely embrace, unquestioningly, global trade theory.

4 posted on 04/18/2005 6:45:43 AM PDT by Nephi ("I am in favor of free trade." - Karl Marx)
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To: A. Pole; ancient_geezer

It is truly amazing that Buchanon rails against anyone who opposes tariffs, but doesn't seem to comprehend that that would only mask a tax system which, at its core and its foundation, confers a tax advantage on foreign producers above and beyond our own.

Trying to compensate for that with tariffs is like trying to put lipstick on a pig. We should enact the FairTax sooner, rather than later, so that US producers will no longer be handicapped by their own government's tax system. This would tremendously improve our balance of trade and, unlike discriminatory tariffs, would not invoke the wrath of the WTO and our trading partners.


5 posted on 04/18/2005 6:47:11 AM PDT by phil_will1
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Wow. Great article. I don't support everything Buchanan preaches, but his views on free trade are spot-on. Free trade = subsidizng Nazi China.

And before anyone asks: yes, I am more than willing to pay more for the things I buy in order to keep manufacturing jobs here. I think of it as the price of national security. A nation with no ability to make anything is a colony of those that can.

Karl Marx loved the idea of Free trade. Anything Marx was for, I'm against.


6 posted on 04/18/2005 6:56:46 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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If all the countries were approximately equal in social and economic status, then free trade would be great, much as it is among the 50 states. But as we know, many (most?) third world countries are dictatorships or corrupt democracies that exploit the people.


7 posted on 04/18/2005 6:57:14 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Pat has a good pen!

I disagree with him more than I agree with him.  But, when he's on target, well . . .

House Republicans who enjoy sporting Adam Smith ties should read a little more Adam Smith. In at least four cases, the father of free trade wrote, it must be "advantageous to lay some burden upon foreign (imports)," i.e., impose tariffs. Among Smith's reasons were "the defense of the country," "for the encouragement of domestic industry," for "revenge" and "retaliation" on nations that impose tariffs on one's own exports -- and to break open foreign markets.

Today, tariffs and taxes on U.S. exports entering China average around 30 percent. If the GOP were true to Smith, it would strip China of MFN and impose on Beijing the same tariff levels Beijing imposes on us -- both as retaliation, and to crack open the Chinese market to U.S. farmers and manufacturers. In 1997, we sold China a pathetic $13 billion worth of goods -- less than we sold to Singapore -- while we bought some 7 percent of China's entire GDP.

How Adam Smith Would Handle China July 24, 1998


8 posted on 04/18/2005 6:57:26 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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The thing is, they might be sending the raft over the falls, but they sure as heck ain't on it. Kemp and his cronies are well taken care of, no matter what the future holds.


9 posted on 04/18/2005 6:58:57 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: phil_will1
It is truly amazing that Buchanon rails against anyone who opposes tariffs, but doesn't seem to comprehend that that would only mask a tax system which, at its core and its foundation, confers a tax advantage on foreign producers above and beyond our own.

Free trade dogma.
Buchanan cites facts, phil_will1 falls back on failed intentions and free trade theory.

We should enact the FairTax sooner, rather than later, so that US producers will no longer be handicapped by their own government's tax system.

Free trade subsidizes socialist economies. Tariffs and protectionism leaves them to twist in the wind, or rely on their own struggling economies for sustanance.

The US market is the market to be in for American producers or foreign producers. A NRST taxes American made goods at the same rate as socialist imports. The globalists still get their way.

10 posted on 04/18/2005 7:01:40 AM PDT by Nephi ("I am in favor of free trade." - Karl Marx)
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It is truly amazing that Buchanon rails against anyone who opposes tariffs, but doesn't seem to comprehend that that would only mask a tax system which, at its core and its foundation, confers a tax advantage on foreign producers above and beyond our own.

I think one important point left out is not free trade but fair trade. Free trade works well when the living standard and business costs are of the same magnitude. Canada-U.S. free trade would fit in this example. Both are industrialized nations with not too dissimilar business and living environments. The playing field is level. Introduce Mexico and problems erupt. Mexican policies on salaries (very low and a maximum wage for foreign owned companies), banning foriegn real estate ownership, lower standards, etc., leads to an imbalance. Same with China. Free trade, with a level playing field, works by expanding the size of the market. Unlevel free trade, like with China or Mexico causes problems with employment, trade imbalances, etc. For example, how many U.S. companies are shipping goods to Mexico for Mexican consumers? If Mexico could grow their economy, then their citizens could be consumers of U.S. goods rather than cheap producers of U.S. goods for export since the producers can't afford the very goods they produce.

11 posted on 04/18/2005 7:03:31 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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I think one important point left out is not free trade but fair trade

Precisely right!  Good post, IMHO.

12 posted on 04/18/2005 7:09:43 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: doc30
Free trade works well when the living standard and business costs are of the same magnitude. Canada-U.S. free trade would fit in this example. Both are industrialized nations with not too dissimilar business and living environments. The playing field is level.

More free trade dogma.
While FDR did a lot of damage to the US, do you really think the US is as socialized as Canada? Free trade with Canada subsidizes their socialist economy just like free trade with the rest of the world's socialist economies subsidizes them.

Unlevel free trade, like with China or Mexico causes problems with employment, trade imbalances, etc. For example, how many U.S. companies are shipping goods to Mexico for Mexican consumers?

This is a point most free traders like to ignore and illustrates that the US market is the market to be in for the dreaded American producers, too, not just enlightened foreign socialist countries.

13 posted on 04/18/2005 7:19:56 AM PDT by Nephi ("I am in favor of free trade." - Karl Marx)
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Karl Marx loved the idea of Free trade. Anything Marx was for, I'm against.

Communists view economics as a zero-sum game (nobody gets wealthy except at the expense of others) which is precisely the same view that protectionists have.

14 posted on 04/18/2005 7:24:35 AM PDT by Strategerist
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"Karl Marx loved the idea of Free trade. Anything Marx was for, I'm against."

Karl Marx was also a strong believer in a graduated (or progressive) income tax.


15 posted on 04/18/2005 7:26:34 AM PDT by phil_will1
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Kemp and his ilk are utopian radicals like many before them and to our bane with many more to follow. Their rhetoric always begins with utopian premises, and only if you press them do they attempt to answer specifics as it relates to real people other than their conspirators (think tank whores and their financial pimps). FTR I do think we need a better tax system that does not punish American based industry for investments here.


16 posted on 04/18/2005 7:33:39 AM PDT by junta ("Racism" a word invented so as to allow morons access to the political debate.)
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Just plain old BS from Pat..


17 posted on 04/18/2005 7:36:01 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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So if we stop trading with China, they will become more politically free? Its worked great in Cuba, that's for sure.


18 posted on 04/18/2005 7:39:27 AM PDT by babble-on
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But between 1860 and 1914, Great Britain, which began the era with an economy twice the size of ours, ended it with an economy not half the size of ours. Britain worshipped at the altar of free trade, while America practiced protectionism from Lincoln to McKinley to Teddy Roosevelt to Taft. Tariffs averaged 40 percent and U.S. growth 4 percent a year for 50 years.

Conveniently forgetting that during that same period, America expanded Westwards, got millions of Immigrants and millions of £££££s in investment in her infrastructure. America was expanding and growing, the UK was a solidified nation. It's like comparing an industry where demand is now static to a sunrise industry.

Ditto for Germany from 1860 onwards.
19 posted on 04/18/2005 7:40:47 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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Communists view economics as a zero-sum game (nobody gets wealthy except at the expense of others) which is precisely the same view that protectionists have.

Alexander Hamilton rose up from his grave, read your post, scratched his head, and scowled, "what's wrong with you, son?"  :-)

The founding pops were mercantilists, remember?  Nor were the early American economists to follow believers in tariff-free trade.

20 posted on 04/18/2005 7:46:24 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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