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Minuteman founder leaving border early but volunteers to remain [Minuteman Project declares victory]
Associated Press ^ | 18 Apr 2005 | Arthur Rotstein

Posted on 04/18/2005 2:39:17 PM PDT by Spiff

Minuteman founder leaving border early but volunteers to remain

By Arthur H. Rotstein

ASSOCIATED PRESS

1:32 p.m. April 18, 2005

TUCSON, Ariz. – The chief organizer of civilian volunteers who are spending the month watching for illegal immigrants and smugglers along the Mexican border is pulling out of the Minuteman Project early, a project official said Monday.

Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant from California, will leave Arizona on Wednesday and plans to appear before the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus next week in Washington. He will be taking the official Minuteman Project name and a group of volunteers.

"He is claiming victory ... so he felt it would be appropriate to wrap up his participation this week and prepare to go to Washington," said Chris Simcox, the project's field operations director.

Simcox, who also plans to be in Washington next week, said Gilchrist isn't severing his ties to the project or with other organizers.

Despite Gilchrist's departure and Simcox's temporary absence, Simcox said patrols will continue as planned until April 30, albeit under the name of Simcox's organization – Civil Homeland Defense.

The volunteers, some of whom are armed, arrived on April 1 and began spreading out a few days later along a 23-mile stretch of desert between the border communities of Naco and Douglas. They alert authorities when they see someone cross the border illegally, but are not allowed to detain anyone.

Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence, an accidental confrontation between armed volunteers and authorities, or a dangerous encounter with the violent smugglers who use the area.

The volunteers claim their reports have led the Border Patrol to more than 260 illegal immigrants. The Border Patrol has acknowledged receiving more than 300calls from Naco and Douglas, resulting in hundreds of apprehensions, but the agency will not say whether any calls came from project volunteers.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderintruders; borderinvasion; criminalinvaders; gilchrist; mmp
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To: Ben Ficklin

"Berlin Wall comes down; border guards now unemployed"


101 posted on 04/18/2005 6:30:17 PM PDT by rudy45
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To: occutegirl
Nice notes there Maam. I love all the feisty babes at FReeRepublic. As I told you before. Just love your tag-line. I might just borrow it for a while.

Nam Vet

102 posted on 04/18/2005 6:31:42 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: B58Hustler
I'll tell you what I'll do. Henceforth, I will ping you every time I see such a statement.

To tide you over in the meantime, ozarkgirl said it to me on a thread last night.

103 posted on 04/18/2005 6:36:03 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: occutegirl

Lou Dobbs is getting the message out, I like this guy!


105 posted on 04/18/2005 6:36:39 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Ben Ficklin
"Many here want to close the entire border. The loss of cross-border commerce from such an action would be devastating to US businesses."

ROTFLMAO..

106 posted on 04/18/2005 6:41:03 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The MMP, in their effort to close the border, have intimidated the mexican buyers and they are not coming to spend money.

That "intimidation" that you write about is not from the MMP and you know it. It's a fabrication perpetrated by the liberal media, Mexican government, illegal immigrant supporters, and the OBLs...You included.

The MMP is not trying to stop legal immigration and you know it.

An immigrant that violates United States law and crosses the desert and mountains risking life and limb in doing so is not coming to the United States to shop at Mega Lo Mart.

The mule that travels at night through the Huachuca mountains with 40 pounds of raw blow strapped to his back has nothing to do with local commerce...unless of course...YOU are profiting from it...

You need to get a clue about the border...but I think you already have one...

107 posted on 04/18/2005 6:42:25 PM PDT by in the Arena (Life may begin at 30, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 110.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Many here want to close the entire border. The

I suspect, if asked, most would want to close the border down completeley between the legal Ports of Entry, which wouldn't do a darned thing to hinder cross-border commerce.

Speaking for myself, when I say 'close the border', that's what I mean, and I certainly have no problem with people crossing from Agua Prieta into Douglas to shop, or vice versa.

An action along the entire southern border mirroring the current MMP action may have the affect you suggest. But it would only last as long as it took for enterprising businessmen to convince their clientele that it really is okay to come back and shop.

And in my book, that's a win-win for both sides.

108 posted on 04/18/2005 6:42:59 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: azhenfud
How would that be the fault of a business owner or his employee in a border city/town?

We all agree that illegal immigration causes many problems. In finding the solution to those problems, we shouldn't create more problems.

110 posted on 04/18/2005 6:45:34 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: B58Hustler
You asked me, I told you.

So, do you want those pings?

112 posted on 04/18/2005 6:49:35 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Txsleuth

THis will balkanize us. I have Mexican relatives who for years made public statements that, although they were bi-lingual, they insisted that we must know and speak only english in America.

Just come live in Arizona where the kids at the fast food drive up windows can't understand you or you them. Or go to the grocery store and find out that all ads are in Spanish only. Or go to the store and find that Everything is in both languages.

Liberals are driven by feelings undisciplined by logic.


113 posted on 04/18/2005 6:52:08 PM PDT by amihow
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To: HiJinx

There are many business and civic leaders who would dis-agree with you.


114 posted on 04/18/2005 6:54:27 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: janetgreen

We say we want a revolution, Well, you know, We are going to mark the line. They tell us that it's evolution, Well, you know ,We all want to change the world. But when they talk about open borders, Don't they know that they can count us out?

Don't you know it's gonna be Alright? Alright? Alright?

You know we've got a real solution. Well, you know, We've already started on the plan. We may ask you for a contribution Well, you know ,We are doing what we can. But if they want money for people with minds that hate All I can tell is the ACLU will have to wait

Don't you know it's gonna be Alright? Alright? Alright?

We don't need to change the constitution. Well, you know, We just have to stop a Fox. They tell us it's the institution Well, you know. We will close the border instead But if they go carrying pictures of Che and Mao, they ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow

Don't you know it's gonna be Alright? Alright? Alright? Alright? Alright? Alright?


115 posted on 04/18/2005 6:56:50 PM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: B58Hustler

I'll give you a few.


117 posted on 04/18/2005 7:00:18 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: B58Hustler

One or two. Just to prove my point.


120 posted on 04/18/2005 7:03:45 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: occutegirl
We don't need to change the constitution. Well, you know, We just have to stop a Fox.

And the BUSH the Fox is hiding behind...

121 posted on 04/18/2005 7:05:54 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Ben Ficklin
There are many business and civic leaders who would dis-agree with you

I'm sorry...disagree with me regarding what? This comment, perhaps?

But it would only last as long as it took for enterprising businessmen to convince their clientele that it really is okay to come back and shop.

That's the only comment I see in post 108 that you could be referring to, and I don't see how you arrive at your position.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were trying to play Devil's Advocate and trying to get me upset. Sorry, I'm not upset. Just dumbfounded that you believe as you do.

122 posted on 04/18/2005 7:06:06 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: JarheadFromFlorida
Lou Dobbs did a great story on this tonight. Jim is leaving to pursue employers who hire illegal aliens and to get the rest of the border states organized with volunteers to protect both the northern and souther borders. This movement is catching on like wildfire.

Darn, I missed the Dobbs piece. But that is great news - Jim is certainly doing everything our paid politicians should have been doing. What a hero!!!
123 posted on 04/18/2005 7:12:38 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Ben Ficklin

DP

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124 posted on 04/18/2005 7:14:25 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: janetgreen
Ladies in California are getting mean while they witness their once-beautiful state turning into Mexico...

Here here!
125 posted on 04/18/2005 7:16:58 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: amihow

"Oprima el numero dos para Ingles."


126 posted on 04/18/2005 7:17:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Spiff
Well Done to the Minutemen !

Individuals can change the world for the better. Never giving up on this belief is the key to sanity and health.
127 posted on 04/18/2005 7:19:34 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

But I'm having such fun!!!!

Okay, gotta run, visiting hours are over soon.


128 posted on 04/18/2005 7:22:56 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: janetgreen

You and me, MMP San Diego.

I'll drive!


129 posted on 04/18/2005 7:25:50 PM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: HiJinx

How much would the thermal/night vision and a parabolic microphone cost?

I think there would be enough of us that cannot join you that could come up with the money to buy one to be used by your unit.


130 posted on 04/18/2005 7:30:06 PM PDT by calawah98
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To: Ben Ficklin
"The MMP, in their effort to close the border, have intimidated the mexican buyers and they are not coming to spend money."

Hey Benji-Boy -- Forgive the rest of us if we don't exactly share your box of kleenex and mug of herbal tea.

And let me clarify something for you:

The MM have "intimidated" a criminal enterprise -- unauthorized Mexican invaders -- from violating America's sovereignty.

HEAR HEAR!

132 posted on 04/18/2005 7:37:45 PM PDT by Liberator
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To: occutegirl
You and me, MMP San Diego.

Count on it!

133 posted on 04/18/2005 7:42:44 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Spiff

"The chief organizer of civilian volunteers who are spending the month watching for illegal immigrants and smugglers along the Mexican border is pulling out of the Minuteman Project early, a project official said Monday."


A lie. The man was on Fox tonight and said he was NOT leaving early.


134 posted on 04/18/2005 7:51:42 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: Nam Vet
"Picture here (Israeli girls buying Ice Cream) would really freak those gun fearing presstitutes to death. Wish I knew how to post pics. (sigh)"

~Nam Vet -You mean this one? Look for a freep mail Nam Vet, I'll give you easy instructions on posting pics, OK?


135 posted on 04/18/2005 8:14:17 PM PDT by FBD ( "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ~Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: occutegirl; janetgreen

Me too! And we'll sing the 'Revolution' song all the way...


136 posted on 04/18/2005 8:59:45 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Txsleuth
I SAY---no one should be able to vote if the don't speak English/read English and have a picture ID!!

When my mom came over here from Italy after WWII, she HAD to learn English to take her citizenship test. And she insisted that her 3 daughters learn English in the home BEFORE Italian. The end result? One's a nurse, one's a neurologist, and one's a metallurgical engineer. Better than picking crops, that's for sure!
137 posted on 04/18/2005 9:08:19 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

The Vigil Aunties and the Vigil Grannies are going on a Fox Hunt.


138 posted on 04/18/2005 9:08:41 PM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl
The Vigil Aunties and the Vigil Grannies are going on a Fox Hunt.

LOL! I love it! Vigil Antie....hmm...wondering how to fit that into a tagline, if you don't mind if I plageurize (never could spell that word - does FR have a spell checker?) it?
139 posted on 04/18/2005 9:13:14 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

That's a beautiful screenname. "Most peaceful Venice?"


140 posted on 04/18/2005 9:16:31 PM PDT by Petronski (John Paul the Great, pray for the Conclave. Holy Spirit, make Your will known.)
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To: Spiff
Yuma has already had at least one patrol. They're only patrolling on weekends.

Yuma has only had one patrol. About 20 went to the river for about an hour Sunday, two people from one of the local TV stations were there, they were surprised by the amount of trash left by the illegals. The first group will finish training next Monday, and will start patroling shortly thereafter. This group has no intention of patroling 24/7, the plan is to start off with 2 or 3 patrols a week at unannounced times, and locations, and expand from there depending on available volunteers.

Spiff, the issue we discussed has been resolved, I will be will be going on patrol as time permits.

141 posted on 04/18/2005 9:23:40 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: c-b 1
A "Wish I were closer to the border" bump.

Nam Vet

142 posted on 04/18/2005 9:31:00 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

you don't mind if I plageurize

I would be honored!


143 posted on 04/18/2005 9:51:23 PM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl

I'll be the vigil grannie in the bunch! I'll leave my apron home... :^)


144 posted on 04/18/2005 10:19:31 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: occutegirl

Lou Dobbs Poll as of 10:50 PM PDT

Yes 2108 93%
No 170 7%
Total Votes 2278


145 posted on 04/18/2005 10:52:23 PM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: HiJinx

bump and thanks!


146 posted on 04/19/2005 12:30:15 AM PDT by lainde
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To: HiJinx; Spiff

These biased articles remind me of what was printed when the war in Iraq started. These liberals just can't stand it when Americans do something right.

Poor Arthur, he must be weeping in his latte :(


147 posted on 04/19/2005 1:14:47 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: Nam Vet

Darn, I missed that thread. Great pic :)


148 posted on 04/19/2005 1:23:19 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: occutegirl

Protests of businesses hiring illegal aliens are being organized to cover the entire United States. Now, we can ALL be involved! <<<

I'm just now reviewing (catching up) on this thread. Will there be a list of these businesses available? I am ready for the protests and/or boycotts of businesses who support illegals.


149 posted on 04/19/2005 7:44:52 AM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: Petronski

That's it - you must know some Italian. I know very little, but I have a Venezia obcession!


150 posted on 04/19/2005 8:19:57 AM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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