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Senate Blocks Ag Worker Citizenship Plan
LA Times ^ | 4/19/05 | Mary Curtius

Posted on 04/19/2005 3:45:36 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

WASHINGTON — The Senate today blocked a measure that would have created a path to citizenship for an estimated 500,000 farmworkers and their families, dealing a setback to those who advocate legalization as the key to immigration reform.

The measure's supporters failed to secure the 60 votes needed to prevent a filibuster by opponents, ending the effort by Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) to attach the plan to an $80-billion emergency funding bill that mainly would pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Under the plan, any illegal farmworker who could demonstrate that he or she had worked in agriculture for at least 100 days in the 18-month period before Dec. 31, 2004 and meet certain other criteria would be eligible for temporary residency.

Once the worker obtained temporary residency, he or she would have to work another 360 days over at least the next three years and no more than six years to be eligible for permanent residency. The spouse and children of farmworkers who obtained permanent residency would also be eligible for permanent residency.

Opponents attacked the measure as a thinly disguised amnesty program that would only increase the flow of illegal immigration into this country, and said it was inappropriate to try to attach such a sweeping change to an emergency spending bill needed to supply troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bushlickas; craig; illegals; ussenate
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To: BurbankKarl
The rejection of this illegal alien amnesty legislation is a victory for Americans and a setback for Mexico-merger supporters (including our handful of FR in-House Mexico-merger trolls).
101 posted on 04/19/2005 6:08:05 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: Txsleuth
I have looked at all the articles from Google news and don't see any of that mentioned.

I did notice several saying that, because of the vote(53 for), it is certain that further activity will take place. But everyone already knew this.

102 posted on 04/19/2005 6:08:42 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: piceapungens
victories abound on the illegal alien front. When will the leadership in the White House realize they need to take a hard line on criminality?

Don't hold your breath.

103 posted on 04/19/2005 6:18:21 PM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: janetgreen
Now let's keep those phone calls, faxes and e-mails going to the usual suspects, making them aware that their jobs are in peril if they vote for ANY kind of amnesty!

Specifically these are the ones who REALLY need to hear from us. Republicans who voted for AgJobs Shamnesty:

Burns (R-MT), Chafee (R-RI), Coleman (R-MN), Craig (R-ID), DeWine (R-OH), Domenici (R-NM), Hagel (R-NE), Lugar (R-IN), Martinez (R-FL), McCain (R-AZ), Smith (R-OR), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA), Voinovich (R-OH), Warner (R-VA

Mostly, it is the usual RINOs.

104 posted on 04/19/2005 6:23:36 PM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: jackbenimble
Thanks for the names of those "leaders" who need to be contacted. Here's a place to find out the contact information:

http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html

105 posted on 04/19/2005 6:39:32 PM PDT by janetgreen (WAKE UP PRESIDENT BUSH - AMERICA IS BEING INVADED!!)
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To: editor-surveyor; Spiff; janetgreen; Eagles6; La Enchiladita; Reaganwuzthebest; Osage Orange
The poll dane cited was from AILA.org

Mission Statement

The American Immigration Lawyers Association is the national association of immigration lawyers established to promote justice, advocate for fair and reasonable immigration law and policy, advance the quality of immigration and nationality law and practice, and enhance the professional development of its members.

106 posted on 04/19/2005 6:45:39 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: Ben Ficklin

Well, perhaps the person that puts the Senate notes on the bottom of the screen was wrong---

I went back and looked on the video tape of todays session and I saw that note a couple of times during the vote on the Mikulski amendment---I too, was surprised because I had never seen that note before---ususally they just describe the underlying bill and what ever they are voting on at the time--

Oh, well, I will go as someone who knows a whole lot more than I do about these things---I'll be back!!!


107 posted on 04/19/2005 6:56:31 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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To: raybbr
They forgot to mention this:

And to make the most money possible from legalizing illegal aliens at the expense of the taxpayer.

108 posted on 04/19/2005 6:56:31 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I was replying to your good catch-I guess I should have been more clear. I can't identify with Dane's positions-I always come across his posts on immigration/border threads. I replied to Dane about his spin right after agreeing with you.


109 posted on 04/19/2005 7:09:37 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: jackbenimble
Domenici R-NM

He'll definitely be hearing from me tomorrow. He needs to come back home and live in NM for a while and see just how bad our state is now. We have 48% legal Mexicans. God only knows how many illegals we have.

On the news last night it was announced that ALL NM librarians are being taught Spanish so they can talk to those who only speak Spanish. Well...duh. I wonder if the illegals can read English? So, I suppose that all books are going to have to be written in Spanish too.

110 posted on 04/19/2005 7:18:58 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: Txsleuth
It is impossible for you or me to figure out what they are doing because they have so many ways to manipulate it.

If it is hot to go, you'll hear about it tomorrow.

111 posted on 04/19/2005 7:49:13 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: NRA2BFree
According to Fair
Sen Larry Craig's Ag Jobs amnesty amendment did not get the 60 votes needed for cloture an was rejected by a vote of 53 to 45 against.
Senator Chambliss/Kyl amendment which also would have expanded the H02A agricultural guestworker program but would not have provided current illegal aliens with a path to citizenship was rejected by a vote of 21yeas-77nays

There still is nothing on the Mikulski-Gregg amendment , it needs 60 No votes on it too. If there are fewer than 60 votes for cloture, there is a strong sense that the amendment will be withdrawn an we will have won. NumbersUSa source.
112 posted on 04/19/2005 7:52:45 PM PDT by calawah98
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To: Ben Ficklin

I have freeped my mentor, but haven't gotten return freepmail yet, but I keep checking...


113 posted on 04/19/2005 7:54:44 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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To: calawah98

The Mikulski amendment did get voted out of cloture, by a big margin...

Then the actual amendment passed by a vote of 94-6!!!


114 posted on 04/19/2005 7:56:21 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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To: NRA2BFree

Well said.


115 posted on 04/19/2005 8:24:01 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Dane

Lol. Crawl back into your Pennsylvania bunker, loser.


116 posted on 04/19/2005 8:25:10 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Czar

They would but several opused a few weeks back.


117 posted on 04/19/2005 8:27:45 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Dane

I hae a solution to the problem of illegal aliens. Deport the lot. Use the Army if need be, but get them gone.


118 posted on 04/19/2005 8:31:08 PM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
That's a phony poll Dane, I can cite you dozens of legitimate ones that aren't a push poll as that was and where the results are as different as night and day.

Phony polls like this are evidence of the behind the scene propaganda efforts that are underway to sell the American public on an Amnesty dressed up as a guest worker program. It's great news that Larry Craig's Shamnesty was set aside but the OBL, which extends into the highest ranks of the GOP, will not be denied.

Look for an out of blue mini-amnesty bill to come in under the radar sometime in the summer when a lot of people are on vacation. It’s just the way these compromised, off the reservation public servants work.

With what we pay our elected officials in salary and platinum plated benefits where congressmen are guaranteed millionaires after 2 terms and multimillionaires after 3, you’d think they would be on the side of the citizen taxpayers of this country.

I guess for all too many of them their motto is: enough is never enough.

119 posted on 04/19/2005 8:40:57 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: jackbenimble
Burns (R-MT), Chafee (R-RI), Coleman (R-MN), Craig (R-ID), DeWine (R-OH), Domenici (R-NM), Hagel (R-NE), Lugar (R-IN), Martinez (R-FL), McCain (R-AZ), Smith (R-OR), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA), Voinovich (R-OH), Warner (R-VA

Mostly, it is the usual RINOs.

I'll say. It's the Who's Who of Rinodom. You can depend on this infamous lot to screw America every chance they get. They really are no different than the democrats.

120 posted on 04/19/2005 8:55:11 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: Txsleuth
Yes, I just an email stating that.

Did you see where it will raise the number of foreign workers by three times the current number of 66,000.

Lawn care workers, timber workers, construction workers, maid, housekeepers an stable workers.
All these have a high unemployment, from 11% on down.
Both of my senators voted for it.
121 posted on 04/19/2005 8:57:00 PM PDT by calawah98
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To: WRhine
It's great news that Larry Craig's Shamnesty was set aside but the OBL, which extends into the highest ranks of the GOP, will not be denied.

Nope I'm afraid not. Almost everyone that's talking immigration "reform" isn't referring to closing the borders and enforcing the laws, it's about how we're going to go about legalizing those here and letting them stay. Apparently many in the beltway refuse to accept that their idea of reform is 180 degrees different than what those who voted for them desire.

122 posted on 04/19/2005 9:02:37 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: raybbr
The American Immigration Lawyers Association

These must be the guys who chase the coyote vans to troll for new clients.

123 posted on 04/19/2005 9:14:03 PM PDT by janetgreen (WAKE UP PRESIDENT BUSH - AMERICA IS BEING INVADED!!)
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To: Ben Ficklin
I did notice several saying that, because of the vote(53 for), it is certain that further activity will take place. But everyone already knew this.

I'm rather surprised the vote was this close. With the leftward tilt in the Senate (even with the Pubs in majority...imagine that) I thought the vote for this treason would be higher. Maybe quite a few Senators are feeling the political heat from their constituents.

Anyway we do what side your bread is buttered. Given the exposé of ahem a certain Freeper and his connection to the administration, among other such similar stories, I'm kinda wondering where you fit in. Or are you just your everyday seditious leftist trolling on a conservative forum?

124 posted on 04/19/2005 9:25:58 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Nope I'm afraid not. Almost everyone that's talking immigration "reform" isn't referring to closing the borders and enforcing the laws, it's about how we're going to go about legalizing those here and letting them stay.

Yes, focus on the word "reform". The Beltway crowd have been attaching that word to every piece of legislation they know is unpopular with the American Public (You're not against "Reform" are you?). They did it to great effect with the Campaign Finance “Reform” bill otherwise known as the Incumbency Protection Act.

The jig is to just say "reform" and spin the hell out of it as something good like Larry Craig in his disingenuous attempts to portray his amnesty for a million illegal aliens as reform with no change in the status quo of letting illegals run wild in America. I must say though, I hope Larry Craig gets more media exposure. That guy is such an obvious Jerk the more media attention he gets the more he helps our cause.

125 posted on 04/19/2005 9:54:49 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: WRhine

*know* also works in this sentence: Anyway we do *know* what side your bread is buttered.....jezz, i'm outta here.


126 posted on 04/19/2005 10:23:24 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
The measure's supporters failed to secure the 60 votes needed to prevent a filibuster by opponents, ending the effort by Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) to attach the plan to an $80-billion emergency funding bill that mainly would pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Attachment bump!

127 posted on 04/19/2005 10:29:12 PM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: Dane

Polls are no better than the method in which the questions are asked.

Where's your link, Dane?


128 posted on 04/20/2005 3:14:37 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Dane

I found it now. That's what I get for joining in late - right?


129 posted on 04/20/2005 3:18:45 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Dane
"...some 25 percent of voters support such a plan, 25 percent oppose it, and 50 percent are undecided. Some 80 percent of voters say it's unrealistic to deport some 10 million illegals."

You Rathered the way you represented the poll's results, Dane.

130 posted on 04/20/2005 3:21:40 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: WRhine
The reduction in the numbers of Senate Repubs supporting AgJobs was to be expected.

Last fall, there was supposedly 67 senate supporters. The Nov elections reduced that to 65. The reduction from 65 to the 53 that voted for yesterday could be attributed to the following:

Some are hiding from the heat, such as Hatch.
Some think that reform should be a stand alone bill, not attached to another bill.
Some think that the reform bill should deal with both H2A and H2B; AgJobs deals only with H2A.
Some support legislation patterned around the Bush Plan.

You must understand that all of the senators, including Craig, that voted for AgJobs would much prefer the Bush Plan, which is republican friendly, but they know that the republicans are split and for any bill to pass, it must must have the support of the democrats.

Many here think that this vote is a victory and Congress will now turn to deportation. They are wrong.

131 posted on 04/20/2005 4:59:59 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: WRhine
I must say though, I hope Larry Craig gets more media exposure. That guy is such an obvious Jerk the more media attention he gets the more he helps our cause.

That was exactly what crossed my mind when I heard Teddy the Swimmer talking about how immigration policy is broken and is a disaster. Not that I expect anyone in the liberal media to point out that he's the one broke it but still the huffing and puffing should mobilize the conservatives, especially in the House to oppose his amnesty schemes.

132 posted on 04/20/2005 5:35:09 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dane

Roaches and other vermin do not have to be deported from an infested house. They will leave when the free food sources are removed. I wonder if Fox would put up a fence on his side of the border if the illegals started going home.


133 posted on 04/20/2005 6:05:33 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: Soul Seeker

Senator Kyl of Az. made the strategy clear: he will work to block "amnesty" legislation until the President works to secure the borders.

Based on what Kyl said on Hannity last night, the President doesn't get it and doesn't WANT to get it.

Tough cookies for the President.


134 posted on 04/20/2005 6:27:56 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Blowtorch

OK. I didn't catch that. Thanks for clearing it up.


135 posted on 04/20/2005 8:01:38 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Dane
It also must suck to be against 80% of the American electorate who don't condone mass deportations. (my emphasis)

Of course 80% of Americans would be against mass deportations a la cattle cars, the old Soviet Union style. However, deporting illegals as they are discovered in day to day law enforcement would be a good start.

136 posted on 04/20/2005 8:02:42 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: iopscusa

I like this one !
Free Republic Opinion Poll: Which of the following is the best way to solve the illegal immigration problem?

Composite Opinion
Seal and militarize the borders 49.4% 2,897
Beef up and enforce existing law 35.2% 2,068
Some form of guest worker program 10.5% 616
Other 3.0% 176
Undecided/Pass 1.9% 113
100.0% 5,870

Member Opinion
Seal and militarize the borders 45.9% 1,807
Beef up and enforce existing law 37.7% 1,486
Some form of guest worker program 10.8% 424
Other 3.4% 132
Undecided/Pass 2.2% 88
100.0% 3,937

Non-Member Opinion
Seal and militarize the borders 56.4% 1,090
Beef up and enforce existing law 30.1% 582
Some form of guest worker program 9.9% 192
Other 2.3% 44
Undecided/Pass 1.3% 25
100.0% 1,933


[ More Opinion Polls · Return to Forum ]


137 posted on 04/20/2005 8:10:04 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: NRA2BFree

"This is a victory for Americans! Now, we need to round up the illegals and deport them."

But first we need to put them in detention camps so that we can interrogate them for any information on other illegals or terrorists(since its possible they illegally crossed our border with a terrorist)


138 posted on 04/20/2005 8:14:25 AM PDT by crab-boy
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To: crab-boy
But first we need to put them in detention camps so that we can interrogate them for any information on other illegals or terrorists(since its possible they illegally crossed our border with a terrorist)

And we could also put them to work building a really big wall.

139 posted on 04/20/2005 8:44:27 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: jackbenimble

" And we could also put them to work building a really big wall."

Thats not a bad idea, we couldn't possibly interrogate them all at once, so no doubt it would take time, so while they are waiting we have them do labor, to pay for their detention costs.


140 posted on 04/20/2005 9:26:54 AM PDT by crab-boy
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To: editor-surveyor

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen ~ Bump!


141 posted on 04/20/2005 9:29:41 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Miss Marple
Ping

This is the Ag Amnesty that I refered to you earlier (Tancredo DL ban).

142 posted on 04/20/2005 9:36:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Ben Ficklin
Many here think that this vote is a victory and Congress will now turn to deportation. They are wrong.

For once I agree with you. The Senate will indeed block every attempt to strengthen enforcement of our immigration laws, better protect our borders and make it difficult for Illegal Aliens to acquire false IDs. There are simply too many Senators who are in the back pocket of the OBL for any meaningful change in the open borders status quo at this time.

It only highlights just how disconnected the Senate, particularly the RINO leadership is from the American electorate.

Though I would not be so smug and assured that the Senate will forever do your Open Borders bidding. With the approval ratings of Congress and Bush plummeting, there very well might be some interesting developments that you and the OBL are not going to like in the next few years.

Given all the mounting problems in this country that are purposely being ignored by Congress and the Administration, the political environment is ripe for change.

143 posted on 04/20/2005 11:52:27 AM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: WRhine

I suspect they'll be able to keep us distracted with gay marriage and Janet Jackson's boobs for quite a few more election cycles.


144 posted on 04/20/2005 11:58:18 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
I suspect they'll be able to keep us distracted with gay marriage and Janet Jackson's boobs for quite a few more election cycles.

Isn't that the truth. Congress will take on any cause with gusto as long as it doesn't involve tackling the critical problems confronting America that they were elected and paid to do.

145 posted on 04/20/2005 12:15:06 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: WRhine

If you say so.


146 posted on 04/20/2005 12:42:09 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
That was exactly what crossed my mind when I heard Teddy the Swimmer talking about how immigration policy is broken and is a disaster. Not that I expect anyone in the liberal media to point out that he's the one broke it but still the huffing and puffing should mobilize the conservatives, especially in the House to oppose his amnesty schemes.

Yes, accountability and accurate reporting are not something the media has concerned itself with for quite sometime now. Long gone are days of investigative journalism and public scrutiny of our elected officials--the central purpose of a free press. Things our press Used to Do.

With politicians moving freely through the revolving doors between the media, lobbying outfits, think tanks, it's all one big happy Beltway Family now. And it is precisely such incestuous relationships that has reduced the media to being no more than the unofficial propaganda arm of the American Welfare State.

The notion that some fair minded journalist would research what Ted the Swimmer did in 1966 with his sponsorship of the Immigration Act of that year which opened up a Pandora’s Box of mass 3rd world immigration which continues to this day and reveal the Swimmer's hypocrisy is simply ludicrous. That is a sure-fire way to end the career of an aspiring journalist...

147 posted on 04/20/2005 1:13:07 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: Ben Ficklin
If you say so.

Just pure speculation on my part..

148 posted on 04/20/2005 1:14:15 PM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: NRA2BFree

A majority of the illegals cannot read Spanish either.


149 posted on 04/20/2005 1:27:11 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: WRhine

It is a very tough problem. There are no easy solutions.


150 posted on 04/20/2005 1:33:51 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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