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Senate Blocks Ag Worker Citizenship Plan
LA Times ^ | 4/19/05 | Mary Curtius

Posted on 04/19/2005 3:45:36 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

WASHINGTON — The Senate today blocked a measure that would have created a path to citizenship for an estimated 500,000 farmworkers and their families, dealing a setback to those who advocate legalization as the key to immigration reform.

The measure's supporters failed to secure the 60 votes needed to prevent a filibuster by opponents, ending the effort by Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) to attach the plan to an $80-billion emergency funding bill that mainly would pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Under the plan, any illegal farmworker who could demonstrate that he or she had worked in agriculture for at least 100 days in the 18-month period before Dec. 31, 2004 and meet certain other criteria would be eligible for temporary residency.

Once the worker obtained temporary residency, he or she would have to work another 360 days over at least the next three years and no more than six years to be eligible for permanent residency. The spouse and children of farmworkers who obtained permanent residency would also be eligible for permanent residency.

Opponents attacked the measure as a thinly disguised amnesty program that would only increase the flow of illegal immigration into this country, and said it was inappropriate to try to attach such a sweeping change to an emergency spending bill needed to supply troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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To: BurbankKarl

Maybe the politicians are hearing the "folks"


51 posted on 04/19/2005 4:29:09 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: Dane

"According to an Ed Goeas poll 80% of voting Americans are against that idea."

I find this poll highly dubious. Just as the polls dealing with Terri Sciavo, Catholics and Church doctorine and global warming, I doubt if there is a scintilla of truth. 'Sides since billy bob ain't CIC anymore we are again a nation of laws, not a nation of polls.


52 posted on 04/19/2005 4:30:41 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Burlem

Yeah and they should hear the folks.

I don't know where some have gotten the idea that the folks are supposed to keep their mouths shut and obey the party.


53 posted on 04/19/2005 4:31:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: cripplecreek

I don't think we are keeping quiet...We don't often scream alot but this issue is hot.


54 posted on 04/19/2005 4:34:21 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: cripplecreek
I don't know where some have gotten the idea that the folks are supposed to keep their mouths shut and obey the party

Hmm, well gee, maybe if the loud mouths would keep their mouths shut, things could get done instead of the disaterous staus quo we have now.

Oh that's right some like having the disasterous staus quo to keep the issue alive, nevermind.

55 posted on 04/19/2005 4:34:59 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
DP
56 posted on 04/19/2005 4:35:15 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: La Enchiladita
DP

More of and the same typical BS.

57 posted on 04/19/2005 4:36:27 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
It also must suck to be against 80% of the American electorate who don't condone mass deportations.

Actually I'm surprised that it wasn't 100% of Americans who don't condone mass deportations, because mass deportations would the least sensible way to going about solving the problem of sending millions of illegal aliens back to their home countries. We need to attack the problem at its root cause: jobs and taxpayer funded services. Cut illegal aliens off from both of these and illegal aliens would have no reason to stay here, or come here in the first place.

I am 100% opposed to illegal immigration, but I am also 100% opposed to mass deportations, because it would be 100% unnecessary.

58 posted on 04/19/2005 4:36:49 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Txsleuth
"open up the supplemental to the rest of the bills that got voted down"

You need to expand on that.

59 posted on 04/19/2005 4:37:09 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dane
DP
60 posted on 04/19/2005 4:37:27 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: Dane

"Hmm, well gee, maybe if the loud mouths would keep their mouths shut, things could get done instead of the disaterous staus quo we have now.

Oh that's right some like having the disasterous staus quo to keep the issue alive, nevermind."


THANK YOU.


61 posted on 04/19/2005 4:38:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: backhoe; HiJinx; Spiff

Ping =]


62 posted on 04/19/2005 4:39:08 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: cripplecreek

DD


63 posted on 04/19/2005 4:41:12 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: NRA2BFree
DD
64 posted on 04/19/2005 4:42:22 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
DD
65 posted on 04/19/2005 4:43:07 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: Dane; NRA2BFree; Czar; Osage Orange; moehoward; Vn_survivor_67-68; iopscusa; cripplecreek; ...
"According to an Ed Goeas poll..."

I'm sure that when he polled those wet backs, he worded the questions in an un-biased manner, right?

66 posted on 04/19/2005 4:44:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: judgeandjury
DD
67 posted on 04/19/2005 4:44:39 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: cripplecreek

"I don't know where some have gotten the idea that the folks are supposed to keep their mouths shut and obey the party."

Right on.


68 posted on 04/19/2005 4:45:52 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

"Da Comrade" will do. LOL


69 posted on 04/19/2005 4:48:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Yes, you change a couple words and a poll can say anything you want. Nice way to spin things and try to make it look like you are on the bandwagon.


70 posted on 04/19/2005 4:59:08 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Dane
Same difference

"Unrealistic" the same as "don't condone"!? Yeah right-if you squint hard enough, they're almost interchangeable.
71 posted on 04/19/2005 5:07:09 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Dane
According to an Ed Goeas poll 80% of voting Americans are against that idea, so maybe you can celebrate your above fanatsy in the privacy of your bathroom and let the adults try to figure out a solution to this problem that has been festering for 40 years.

So, if the opinion polls say so, we should just stop actually enforcing the law. I get it now.

72 posted on 04/19/2005 5:08:39 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Dane

sniff....


73 posted on 04/19/2005 5:10:06 PM PDT by janetgreen (Hey President Bush - Has Anyone Told You About The Mexican Invasion: Yet?)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

Victory on the Hill...

74 posted on 04/19/2005 5:10:06 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: BurbankKarl

The huge Washington cop-out on America. Illegal invasion, rewarded. What a mockery of our laws -- what a shafting of the American people. Who does Washington think they are fooling? They are more interested in keeping Vincete Fox happy along with all his millions of criminals in the US, than taking care of America's borders, laws, her intersts, and those of the American people.

You bass-turds!!!! :-(


75 posted on 04/19/2005 5:11:44 PM PDT by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: BurbankKarl

Now, they are trying to sneak amnesty for illegals through in the supplementary military spending bill.


GWB and Co and determined to get amnesty through, somehow, someway, sometime during his tenure.


76 posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:47 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Dane
It also must suck to be against 80% of the American electorate who don't condone mass deportations.

It must also suck for you to see the front page of Free Republic right now:

Coming Events:
April 23-28: Hold Their Feet to the Fire - Washington, DC!

America needs your help. Illegal aliens and their friends in Congress are trying to derail legislation that would strengthen our borders and keep illegal immigrants from getting driver's licenses. It's time to come to Washington, D.C. and tell Congress in person what you have been telling them over the phone and in letters and faxes. This is your chance to tell Congress directly — we're tired of America selling out to cheap labor and corruption (click for discussion thread).

It must also suck for you to know that the "Hold Their Feet To The Fire" event is sponsored by the Federation for American Immigration Reform. It just sucks to be you.
77 posted on 04/19/2005 5:16:28 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I know. We all know if the question is simply "Do you support deportation of Illegal Aliens?" The outcome would be a landslide on the yes side.


78 posted on 04/19/2005 5:16:45 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: TomGuy

Now, they are trying to sneak amnesty for illegals through in the supplementary military spending bill.
....
GWB and Co and determined to get amnesty through, somehow, someway, sometime during his tenure.
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If he does, it will be the last time I ever cast a freakin' backstabbing so-called conservative Repub vote. The Repub party will take a beating like it has never seen -- and maybe it is long overdue. RINOs!!!



79 posted on 04/19/2005 5:16:52 PM PDT by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: Spiff
It just sucks to be you

Someone is in a bit of a snit.

80 posted on 04/19/2005 5:22:02 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I just read my post again and I probably shouldn't have put the words "voted down" in there--because I am not sure, but it seem logical---

I didn't know this, but as the Senate was voting on the passage of the Mikulski's "seasonal worker" amendment, the message board on the bottom of the TV, had a line that said that if this amendment passes, then it would open up the main bill for any other immigration amendments....


Therefore, I figure if it opens it up to other immigration amendments, then why couldn't Craig or Chambliss just re-admit their immigration amendments?

BTW, I saw Sen.Stevens on at the end of today's session, submitting amendments "en block" and some of them are NOT amendments that I think a lot of us on this website would be happy about--- I think one of them is the "gag" amendment that would have the USA finance abortion education all over the world--- I remember Boxer trying to get this law changed to pay for this and was voted down, now I hear Stevens have either the same amendment or one VERY similar submitted "en block"--

Now, if there is anyone on this thread that knows if "en block" means passed w/o vote, or does it mean these amendments will be voted on, on the Senate floor?


81 posted on 04/19/2005 5:22:46 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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To: Dane
Someone is in a bit of a snit.

I can tell. Maybe your paycheck for spewing pro-amnesty talking points on Free Republic and other conservative forums didn't come in this week. Don't worry, I'm sure that Vincente Fox is good for it. Relax.

82 posted on 04/19/2005 5:23:59 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Dane
According to an Ed Goeas poll 80% of voting Americans are against that idea,

That's a phony poll Dane, I can cite you dozens of legitimate ones that aren't a push poll as that was and where the results are as different as night and day.

83 posted on 04/19/2005 5:24:22 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: La Enchiladita

WW


84 posted on 04/19/2005 5:26:13 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: Spiff
I can tell. Maybe your paycheck for spewing pro-amnesty talking points on Free Republic and other conservative forums didn't come in this week. Don't worry, I'm sure that Vincente Fox is good for it. Relax

I'm not pro-amnesty, despite your incessant talking points. It must suck to be so damn bitter all the time.

85 posted on 04/19/2005 5:26:59 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: BurbankKarl

I watched Sen. Sessions of Alabama pick this turkey of a bill apart on C-Span yesterday evening. That 100 days of ag work could mean as little as 100 HOURS, because an hour of any day counted as a day's labor! The worker could then get green card status and that would have allowed his entire family to move to the USA, so that 500,000 would have atleast been 5 times that many Mexicans getting on the gravy train over here. Larry Craig must have been paid off handsomely in his last run for office by some really big tator farmers in Idaho to have come up with this monstrosity.


86 posted on 04/19/2005 5:30:00 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: editor-surveyor
I'm sure that when he polled those wet backs, he worded the questions in an un-biased manner, right?

The heavily biased poll was sponsored by pro-amnesty National Immigration Forum and American Immigration Lawyers Association. The word "amnesty" was never used. The words "enforce existing laws" were never used. The word "illegal" was only used once to describe illegal aliens. The word "undocumented" was used every other time. The proper legal term under U.S. law is "Illegal Alien".

The Federation for American Immigration Reform debunked this poll in their article "False Choices Yield False Polling Data About Immigration" which I've posted below:

False Choice Yield False Polling Data About Immigration

April 7, 2005

FAIR Responds to Sham Immigration Poll

A new poll conducted on behalf of the open immigration advocacy group, the National Immigration Forum, reveals that even reputable polling organizations will conduct push polls to generate revenue in political off-years. The "National Survey of Voter Attitudes on Immigration," released Thursday, also reveals that pollsters can get their clients the desired results by the questions they ask.

In an effort to create the appearance of public support for President Bush's illegal alien amnesty and guest worker proposal, the poll conducted by Lake, Snell, Perry, Mermin & Associates, in conjunction with The Tarrance Group, asked respondents to choose from among very limited options for dealing with the illegal immigration crisis facing the nation. The choices presented to respondents "registering" millions of illegal aliens, or mass deportations of millions of illegal aliens. The poll ignored many other strategies for addressing mass illegal immigration that have wide support among the American public.

"Garbage in, garbage out, is the best way to describe the findings of this poll," commented Dan Stein, president of FAIR. "The only legitimate finding of this poll is that the American public is fed up with the status quo. But everybody already knew that.

"Sometimes what is not asked is more important than what is asked. And what wasn't asked speaks volumes about the objective of the pollsters," Stein added. Notably missing from the options for dealing with mass illegal immigration were questions about cracking down on employers who hire illegal aliens with impunity, and limiting the aliens' access to dozens of government programs that encourage millions of people to remain here.

"Deportation needs to be a component of a strategy to deal with the illegal immigration crisis, but no one seriously believes that that alone will work," said Stein. "Respondents were given the impression that mass deportation is the only enforcement option available. In countless polls of American voters, when people are given the full range of enforcement options, the overwhelming majority always support enforcement of employer sanctions laws, better cooperation with local law enforcement, and limiting illegal aliens' access to non-emergency services and benefits."

Empirical evidence also belies the National Immigration Forum's contention that American voters are comfortable with an amnesty/guest worker program along the lines of what President Bush has laid out. "There were a lot of smart people in the Bush Campaign. It was not by accident that the president's plan, first floated in January 2004, was quickly yanked from the table last year. It wouldn't fly with the voters before the election and it won't fly now.

"With the Minutemen now patrolling the border and dozens of radio talk show hosts from around the country set to come to Washington later this month to oppose amnesty/guest worker legislation, it is quite clear where public opinion stands and no push poll will change that," said Stein.


87 posted on 04/19/2005 5:31:38 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Dane
I'm not pro-amnesty, despite your incessant talking points.

That's just not what YOU want to call it.

It must suck to be so damn bitter all the time.

Pot. Kettle. Black. Bite me!

88 posted on 04/19/2005 5:33:24 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: editor-surveyor
I'm sure that when he polled those wet backs, he worded the questions in an un-biased manner, right?

Exactly! That's why polls are no good. The integrity of each poll is only as good as the integrity of the person who wrote the poll.

89 posted on 04/19/2005 5:34:40 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: Blowtorch

Who spun things? Me? All I did was cite someone else's statement.


90 posted on 04/19/2005 5:35:45 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: La Enchiladita

What does "DD" mean?


91 posted on 04/19/2005 5:37:03 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: kittymyrib
Larry Craig must have been paid off handsomely in his last run for office by some really big tator farmers in Idaho to have come up with this monstrosity.

Most paid lobbyists like Larry Craig do make good money as mouthpieces for their bosses.

92 posted on 04/19/2005 5:41:30 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dane; Spiff
"I'm not pro-amnesty,..." If you support the President's "guest worker" proposal then you are indeed pro-amnesty because that proposal includes a de facto amnesty.

It must suck to be so damn wrong all the time.

93 posted on 04/19/2005 5:43:52 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Spiff
Bite me!

Nah, I'll leave that up to the king of ankle biters, namely yourself.

94 posted on 04/19/2005 5:45:10 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: HiJinx; janetgreen

Fantastic


95 posted on 04/19/2005 5:48:13 PM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: BurbankKarl

bumping


96 posted on 04/19/2005 6:01:06 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: NRA2BFree
WW

?

I must've missed the memo...
97 posted on 04/19/2005 6:02:44 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: occutegirl
Best news of the day. Now let's keep those phone calls, faxes and e-mails going to the usual suspects, making them aware that their jobs are in peril if they vote for ANY kind of amnesty!

www.numbersusa.com

98 posted on 04/19/2005 6:04:22 PM PDT by janetgreen (WAKE UP PRESIDENT BUSH - AMERICA IS BEING INVADED!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

How many dual citizens do we need? And where do they pledge their allegiance.


99 posted on 04/19/2005 6:04:59 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: BurbankKarl
I think he said 80% Americans are opposed to mass deportations of illegal aliens

That is based on a push-poll conducted by Ed Goas where they basically gave the choice of mass deportations or a guestworker amnesty. They left out the most popular option which is to enforce current law against hiring illegals.

It is a totally bogus poll and it doesn't deserve any credence.

100 posted on 04/19/2005 6:06:06 PM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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