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Liberal US catholics dismayed at choice of Pope
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Posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by Alex Marko

BOSTON (Reuters) - Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.

The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.

Since taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as the Roman Catholic Church's chief ideologue, Ratzinger has denounced homosexuality and even branded other Christian churches as deficient.

"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope," said Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the New Ways Ministry, a national ministry for lesbian and gay Catholics.

Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.

The sense of alienation deepened with a well-publicized scandal over pedophile priests, which erupted in 2002 in the Archdiocese of Boston as court documents showed bishops shuttled pedophile priests from parish to parish.

Victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy reacted skeptically to word that Ratzinger was the new pope.

"Ratzinger is a polarizing figure to many, who seems to prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion," Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said in a statement. "It's ... crucial that the new pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said 'there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young."'

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Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days with the goal of healing fractures within the church.

It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.

But those familiar with Ratzinger said to expect more of the same, and they doubted he would tailor his views to adapt to the liberal forces evident in the U.S. church.

"This is the guy who's been in charge of stifling dissent in the church," said lawyer Carmen Durso, who represented dozens of plaintiffs in clergy abuse lawsuits against the Boston archdiocese.

"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices.

Christine Schenk, a nun from Cleveland, Ohio, who favors opening the priesthood to married men, said she was disappointed and puzzled by Ratzinger's selection, but she saw glimmers of hope.

Schenk explained that Ratzinger had never ruled out the idea of married priests, and that the church is facing a deepening shortage of priests -- so he may be forced to act.

In a 2004 document, Ratzinger denounced "radical feminism" as undermining the family and natural differences between men and women.

Asked if there was anything in his background that gave her hope that Ratzinger would build a stronger partnership with women in the church, Quinn said: "We always hope for miracles".


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To: HitmanNY
"I'm still waiting for the companion article about the Catholics who applaud Ratzinger's positions! :-)

I have a budding idea for a companion article:

This Pope won't serve condoms for Holy Communion to a bunch of Gays and Lesbians.

51 posted on 04/19/2005 5:38:34 PM PDT by BobS
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To: HitmanNY

I was amazed that Jim Lehrer on PBS had some experts on his program tonight who were very supportive of Pope Benedict XVI...one was a priest at Ave Maria University in Naples, Florida. On the other hand, Morton Kondracke was an embarrassment on Brit's program...very negative.


52 posted on 04/19/2005 5:38:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Lazamataz
Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!
53 posted on 04/19/2005 5:38:58 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
Catholics for Free Choice has nothing to do with being Catholic.

Matter of fact I think that some have been excommunicated from the Church.

54 posted on 04/19/2005 5:39:29 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: gidget7

"Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!"

That just about says it all!!! LOL!!!


55 posted on 04/19/2005 5:40:49 PM PDT by antceecee (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: sinkspur
I was a seminarian in the 80's, and I can tell you that the problem with abuse centered more on simple naivete' in regards to serial abusers and the pathology of their condition.

Treating this problem through the sin-forgiveness paradigm was an obvious and grievous mistake in retrospect. In their defense, I highly doubt US church leaders had much good advice on this problem, otherwise, I'm sure they would have dealt with it differently. The church has paid dearly for this, and has learned its lesson.
56 posted on 04/19/2005 5:40:53 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("Sometimes you're windshield, sometimes you' re the bug")
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To: Alex Marko

Another blow for the National US Democrats--no male homosexual advocacy with the new pope.

Perhaps he will be tolerant of female homosexuals.


57 posted on 04/19/2005 5:41:20 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: Alex Marko
Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.

Oh, yeah, Americans stopped going to mass because they didn't hear enough liberal thought there. Wonder why they also stopped going to the Eucharistic services in the Episcopal Church???

58 posted on 04/19/2005 5:41:43 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Alex Marko

Something demonic this way comes... these homosexual unCatholics seek to destroy Christianity.


59 posted on 04/19/2005 5:41:43 PM PDT by ikka
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To: gidget7

Oh, that is so excellent!


60 posted on 04/19/2005 5:41:57 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: JimSEA
ahhhhh my sentiments exactly and truer words have never been spoken.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOT ABANDONED YOU, YOU HAVE ABANDONED YOU FAITH!!
61 posted on 04/19/2005 5:42:33 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Alex Marko

TO: Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests
RE: Real Job

Dear Mary,

Get one.

Sincerely,

Fester the Ingester

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The Church needs leaders who will not compromise the Faith, no matter how convenient it may appear.


62 posted on 04/19/2005 5:43:48 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Alex Marko

Did they really expect a liberal pope?


63 posted on 04/19/2005 5:43:58 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: OK
And it seems some of them are Catholic in name only.
64 posted on 04/19/2005 5:43:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: okie01

They can go join the Unitarians.

Cripes, I am glad this guy got elected. He is the one who engineered the Church's rebuke of slimey Marxist Daniel Ortega, which popped the little thug's bubble.

The same will now come for Hugo Chavez and His Master Below in Havana. I can't wait.


65 posted on 04/19/2005 5:44:12 PM PDT by Kitten Festival (The Thug of Caracas has got to go.)
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To: Smoote

--They so don't get it. Being a Catholic is not about "you" it's about "Christ"--

Oh, oh, that's so much in line with the concept of Benedict!


--Relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and "swept along by every wind of teaching", looks like the only attitude (acceptable) to today's standards. We are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires.--

Man is not the measure, God is.


66 posted on 04/19/2005 5:44:33 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Alex Marko

Boo F'n Hoo


67 posted on 04/19/2005 5:44:50 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Hey, it wasn't us Episcopalians that went around "boofing" alter boys. We have wives for that.


68 posted on 04/19/2005 5:45:56 PM PDT by scheuber
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To: Alex Marko

The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion."

They can claim they're Catholic until hell freezes, but they're not.


69 posted on 04/19/2005 5:45:56 PM PDT by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: Alex Marko

How dare a Pope embrace Catholic teachings!


70 posted on 04/19/2005 5:46:54 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Alex Marko
Since the Pope appoints the bishops, having an Inquisitor Pope may be bad news for the Leftists who have infiltrated the Church hierarchy in the US. I can see the new Pope being very careful about his choices for new appointments
71 posted on 04/19/2005 5:48:08 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (What does the wolf care how many sheep there be?)
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To: Alex Marko
"The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion."

Yeah, ain't that a shame that he opts to follow two millenia of Church doctrine - God's Word, at that - rather than kowtow to the same gluteal cavities that also think the Constitution is a 'living, breathing' document that should change intent and meaning like some politically correct bingo game.

Ain't it just a crying shame.


72 posted on 04/19/2005 5:48:20 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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To: baseballfanjm

Or just liberal anybody.


73 posted on 04/19/2005 5:48:40 PM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Actually, most Protestants (in the pews) would not accept their views. And the liberal Mainline Proteatant churches are shrinking...(with the Episcopaleans in the lead), only evangelical ones are growing, who, for the most part share the essential beliefs of conservative Catholics.

As far as a pope (any pope) in some circumstances speaking infallibly....and elevating tradition to the authority of scripture, well, we do part ways, and have for over 400 years....but otherwise, I think evangelicals are rejoicing in Benedict XVI's selection.


74 posted on 04/19/2005 5:48:47 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: gidget7

Consider that one stolen and turned into my new tagline!


75 posted on 04/19/2005 5:48:48 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!)
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To: Alex Marko

I'm not a religious person but to be in a religion, you have to believe in all the teachings not just the ones you like.

It's not a club


76 posted on 04/19/2005 5:49:36 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: Smoote; All
Agreed. I also think that large groups of leftists want to join the church to "modernize it".

What I mean to say is that I think that large groups of people are trying to "postmodernize" the Church, making the doctrine "relative" to our times. As you said, they just don't get it. You are right, but they do get the strategy to infiltrate structures from the inside to make attempted changes to the institution.

As I mentioned, I am not a practicing Catholic but the only thing I want from the Church is to adhere to the message of Christ. IMHO, there can be no compromise in this and I am sure you feel the same way.

The new Pope is a good choice and notice how the smear campaign has already started against him. I have heard him called a former Nazi twice today.

Damn, why can't they just give it a rest for a few days.

Arioch7 out.

77 posted on 04/19/2005 5:50:38 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Ann Archy; cyborg; fortunecookie
...where are all the Holy Nuns?

Some of them can be seen daily on EWTN.

78 posted on 04/19/2005 5:51:05 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: CFC__VRWC

LOL and you are quite welcome to it!!


79 posted on 04/19/2005 5:51:05 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: CFC__VRWC

LOL and you are quite welcome to it!!


80 posted on 04/19/2005 5:51:08 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Wiseghy
Treating this problem through the sin-forgiveness paradigm was an obvious and grievous mistake in retrospect. In their defense, I highly doubt US church leaders had much good advice on this problem, otherwise, I'm sure they would have dealt with it differently.

One would think that Catholic bishops would not have to get "advice" in order to be concerned about the young people being abused. Instead, they turned the lawyer-dogs loose on them, threatening them with lawsuits, or paying hush money, just to protect the reputation of the Church. The total focus was on the welfare of priests, and taking care of them. No thought to the abused. At all. Some of these abused have taken their own lives over this stuff!

The church has paid dearly for this, and has learned its lesson.

The Church has not paid nearly as much as it's going to pay. The Church will have learned its lesson when Benedict XVI invites some of these victims to the Vatican, meets with them, and publicly apologizes on behalf of the Church for, in many cases, ruining their lives.

81 posted on 04/19/2005 5:51:11 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Alex Marko; Northern Yankee; Victoria Delsoul; missyme
Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days with the goal of healing fractures within the church.

How arrogant is that?

I hope we see a "smack down" of these jerks, in the likes of a "loud silence" of what he (and the rest of The Church) thinks about their so called "action plan."

They are an embarrassment to many faithful US Catholics.

82 posted on 04/19/2005 5:51:56 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: Alex Marko
Gay and lesbian Catholics

Talk about your oxymoron!!!!!!!

Please ... people who practice "homosex" as a "lifestyle" are NOT CATHOLICS! It is NOT a social club. You either profess the faith of The Church, or you do not. They do NOT - therefore, they are not Catholics, in any way, shape, or form.

That's the way it is, whether they want to acknowledge it or not.

83 posted on 04/19/2005 5:52:12 PM PDT by PLK
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To: Petronski

They've gone underground. You just don't see nuns anymore. When did this happen? It seemeed to me right after I left elementary school in the late eighties. In fact the nunnery for my old school is now a Catholic rehab for alcoholics.


84 posted on 04/19/2005 5:52:47 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Alex Marko

Gays, lesbians, pedophiles, liberal Catholics, Catholics of Free Choice or whatever name they want to go by will most definitely be disappointed. Their hope of a "living gospel" is dashed. They're wish of a more "culturally aware" Catholic Church is not to be. In fact, many liberal Bishops will find new meaning in obedience.....I hope.


85 posted on 04/19/2005 5:52:52 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Alex Marko

Liberal Catholics do not know the light of ALL that is beautiful about the Roman Catholic Church. We should pray for the reconversion of those whose hearts have not hardened beyond steel.


The rest should hit the road.


86 posted on 04/19/2005 5:53:41 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Wiseghy

I agree that they probably were trying to forgive the sinner, but in the process they created more victims. For this they must be held accountable. Those who were involved in the coverups should not be in positions of power in the US Church.
Despite these problems, I realise there are many, many more good servants of the Church than not. God bless them.
Liberal media has used the abuse issue as the 'whipping boy' hoping to destroy the relevance of the Church in America. Unfortunately for them the Faith is stronger than the weakness of men and women.


87 posted on 04/19/2005 5:54:13 PM PDT by antceecee (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

To liberal Christians, read your scripture and the corresponding commentaries that put it into context. You will find that most of your positions are WRONG!!!


88 posted on 04/19/2005 5:54:17 PM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: marblehead17

Yep.


89 posted on 04/19/2005 5:55:23 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: syriacus
Catholics for a Poor Choice.


90 posted on 04/19/2005 5:56:07 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Alex Marko
Meanwhile, the real, practicing Catholics are elated.

Long Live Benedict XVI!
91 posted on 04/19/2005 5:56:19 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
As someone who used to be a Protestant, I can tell you they will find plenty of places to call home. They might want to start with the Unitarians, they accept any liberal view and dismiss the idea of sin.
92 posted on 04/19/2005 5:56:47 PM PDT by Sthitch
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To: gidget7; Salvation; Coleus; NYer; SoothingDave; cyborg; onyx; fortunecookie; ArrogantBustard; ...
Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!

I love it. FOFL

93 posted on 04/19/2005 5:57:07 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Alex Marko
Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.

It is the liberal U.S. Catholics that caused the scandal. They are the problem. Let them leave.

94 posted on 04/19/2005 5:57:25 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: caisson71

All of here hope too. There is NO WAY an abomination is suddenly going to become "Not an abomination"Nor is the Lord going to come down and proclaim adultery, pedophilia, or HOMOSEXUALITY, are now acceptable.


95 posted on 04/19/2005 5:57:29 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Petronski
Catholics for a Poor Choice.

I came across that phrase online. I wish I could tell you where.

96 posted on 04/19/2005 5:58:29 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: Alex Marko
Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy

That's weird, because I'd have thought that a conservative Pope would be better at atoning for the past sins of gay priests.

97 posted on 04/19/2005 5:58:51 PM PDT by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: Petronski

his greatness as a Pope will be directly proportional to the loudness of their squeals....


98 posted on 04/19/2005 6:00:17 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Alex Marko

If anyone wants to be a liberal Catholic, they should become Episcopalian.


99 posted on 04/19/2005 6:00:22 PM PDT by DaydreamBeliever (Habemus Papam!)
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To: sinkspur
The liberal Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga, on the other hand, blamed the Jews.
100 posted on 04/19/2005 6:00:31 PM PDT by B Knotts (Ioannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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