'Separate Water Fountains'

Townhall.com ^ | April 20, 2005 | Herman Cain

[Republic_of_Secession.]

Even as a seven-year-old kid I felt insulted and humiliated by the insinuation that we were not good enough to drink from the same water fountains as Whites, or ride in the front of the bus.

This is not meant as a defense of segregation, but the point of segregation was not about sending a message or "insinuating" that non White people were not "good enough" to use the same facilities as White people. Segregation was simply the result of a misguided political belief system concerning the then purported "incompatibility" of the races to smoothly interact under a common civil umbrella which btw was initially imposed onto the South from the North by way of the new Northern based regimes running the defeated Confederate States during Reconstruction.

[Republic_of_Secession.]

What I have never been able to understand is: if one feels that they are being slighted or discriminated by a given civil collectivity / society or regime, instead of using or depending on the same apparatus of the State which is oppressing one, why not simply create one's own civil collectivity / society or representatives. In other words: do not forget the historically relevant option of political or cultural secession.

[littlelilac]

ah even I have to agree with the author above, part and parcel of segregation was the majority whites think they are superior, correct me if I am wrong but the KKKers and other racists have used an actual passage in the Bible that implies blacks are inferior to justify treating as such....and certainly blacks had every reason to believe that they were considered inferior by the way they were treated, segregation is not a pretty thing in history, I don't think Canada ever had it in a systematic fashion...

however I don't much buy the argument about Social Security,
if black males stopped killing each other, they would have a greater life expectancy and if you get your income illegally and you aren't making contributions to SS, well hey not my problem you didn't bank some of your ill gotten gains if you are lucky enough to live that long or not end up in prison, getting SS in an indirect fashion........

as Charles Barkley said last night on some cable news show,
we (blacks) have become our own worst enemies and we have to turn this situation around ourselves

[blaquebyrd]

"...why not simply create one's own civil collectivity / society or representatives. In other words: do not forget the historically relevant option of political or cultural secession."

Well you couldn't do it from within the country because you'd be prosecuted/imprisoned for tax evasion to begin with. See that's what the "Separate Water Fountain" issue was really all about. Minorities were taxed the same as the whites but received inferior services or no services at all for their tax contribution. It was like the American revolution redux. Taxation without representation. So the only way to opt out of the system would be to leave the country. Secession will never happen in this country again.

[Bar-Face]

I have become a huge fan of Herman Cain and will never forgive the idiots in Jaw-ja for not electing him to the Senate. that would have given us a conservative to balance out Trent Lott.

[King Prout]

herman cain ping

[rdb3]

I think I better remain quiet on this thread. Thanx, though.

[ops33]

For the same reason Dems oppose vouchers for public schools. They only want the Black vote, they don't care for the welfare or wellbeing of African-Americans.

[MeekOneGOP]

bump!

[Republic_of_Secession.]

Secession will never happen in this country again.

Perhaps it will again at some point. As you pointed out: the American Revolution started over a similar taxation without reprsentation issue. The Confedetate States were not the only collectivity to have engaged in secession. The founding of the United States of America was an act of secession as well.

[Old Professer]

My first encounter with black only facilities was at a Greyhound bus stop; I had to go so bad, and I couldn't believe my ears when I was told I couldn't use the men's room right outside the front door but had to go inside and stand in Line.

On the way out, a guy was leaving the outside stall and I asked him what it was all about; the grizzled, old black gentleman said, "Son, you'll learn soon enough..."

[dpa5923]

correct me if I am wrong but the KKKers and other racists have used an actual passage in the Bible that implies blacks are inferior to justify treating as such...

What Bible verse implies any such thing?

[The Great Yazoo]

I believe Professor Thomas Sowell tells a similar story about a trip through North Carolina during his service as a Marine during the Korean War. As I recall, in his autobiography A Personal Odyssey, he relates an incident at a bus stop wherein he got involved in a bit of an altercation, which got him into trouble with the authorities.

[The Great Yazoo]

KKKers and other racists have used an actual passage in the Bible that implies blacks are inferior to justify treating as such...

What Bible verse implies any such thing?

Littlelilac is right. Slaveowners, Klansmen, and other racists twisted Scripture to meet their needs. Here are some examples from a popular article entitled "Roots of Racism" written by a University of Georgia law professor.

Leviticus 25:44-46 relating to the buying, keeping, and inheriting of bondmen and bondmaids.

Exodus 21:2-6 relating to the slavery of poor Hebrews.

Deuteronomy 15:16-17 also relating to the slavery of poor Hebrews.

To prove that the black race was particularly intended by God to be the slaves of the white race, proslavers cite Genesis 9:26-27 relating to the curse of Canaan.

A negative argument was made that "There is nothing, not one word, in the Old Testament to condemn, but very much to establish, enforce, and regulate slavery."

Ephesians 6:5-8 exhorting servants to be obedient to their masters.

Titus 2:9-10 also exhorting servants to be obedient to their masters.

Colossians 3:22-24 requiring slaves to obey their masters justify slavery.

Again a negative argument is made that "in the catalogue of sins denounced by the Savior and His Apostles, slavery is not once mentioned;" "not one word is said by the prophets, apostles, or the holy Redeemer against slavery;" and "the Apostles admitted slaveholders and their slaves to church membership, without requiring a dissolution of the relation."

Clink here for the entire article.

[dpa5923]

Please re-read my and Littlelilac's posts. Littlelilac said, "KKKers and other racists have used an actual passage in the Bible that implies blacks are inferior to justify treating as such..."

The verses you note specifically deal with slavery, not race. Again, what verse in the Bible implies that the black race is inferior to any other race and as such should be treated as inferiors? Not what verses have been used to justify slavery, but what verse or verses imply that black people are members of an inferior race.

[4CJ]

Kudos for Mr. Cain. I was proud to vote for him in our primaries.

[avg_freeper]

If the AJC had a shred of legitimacy left this great article by an Atlantan would be on the front page of its politics section. It's good to hear from Herman again.

[The Great Yazoo]

Thank you. You are correct.

The only one that I can point to is Genesis 9:25-27 the "curse of Canaan." 25 he said, "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers." 26 He also said, "Blessed be the LORD , the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. [b] 27 May God extend the territory of Japheth [c] ; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his [d] slave." in the New International Version and 25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. in the King James Version.