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Spectacular specimen: This bug's a big one - 8 feet long - and New Mexico scientists nabbed...
Albuquerque Tribune ^ | April 14, 2005 | Sue Vorenberg

Posted on 04/22/2005 12:50:39 PM PDT by demlosers

Spectacular specimen: This bug's a big one - 8 feet long - and New Mexico scientists nabbed some of its fossils

Think mosquitoes and millipedes are nasty?

Then don't look too deeply into New Mexico's past.

Today, you can squish the tiny bugs, but 300 million years ago, 8-foot-long millipedes were in control of the landscape, and humans weren't even a gleam in evolution's eye.

New Mexico is now a world record holder of such "exquisitely grotesque creatures," as one worker at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science calls them. Evidence of the largest arthropleura - its technical name - ever found was recovered by the museum on Friday.

"In today's world, you couldn't have a bug this big," said Spencer Lucas, paleontology curator at the museum. "This is basically the Tyrannosaurus of the Pennsylvanian period, millions of years before dinosaurs evolved. If you took a time machine back, you'd definitely want to check your sleeping bag for these suckers before getting in."

The Pennsylvanian time period lasted from 325 to 280 million years ago.

The museum has not found the bug itself. What it did find in a remote canyon near Española were the fossilized tracks of such a creature - which looks like a 3-by-8 speed bump with flat wings holding hundreds of nasty, ribbed, horseshoe-shaped feet.

"This is a very spectacular thing," said Adrian Hunt, director of the museum, who went out in the field with the team to recover it. "Think of it as a much bigger cross between a millipede and a centipede. It probably lived in swampy forest debris. Something like this has never been found before in the Western United States."

Evidence of the creatures has also been found in Nova Scotia and Scotland, but Jorg Schneider, an international expert on them and a paleontologist from the Freiberg Mining Academy in Germany, said New Mexico's find is evidence of the biggest arthropleura ever.

The second-largest creature was probably a few inches smaller than the one found in New Mexico. The New Mexico track is 39.3 centimeters wide, compared with the second-largest track, in Scotland, which is 36 centimeters wide, Schneider said.

Schnieder came to New Mexico for a two-week visit to look at the track and other New Mexico rocks from the same time period, he said.

"One question we have is, could such a large beast live on plant material only?" Schneider said. "In millipedes from the modern era, we know that scolopender (a type of millipede) is a predator. Possibly these big extinct versions also ate other animals. This was the top of the food chain - with no natural enemy - for about 40 to 50 million years during the Pennsylvanian."

The creatures might have been vegetarians, but their large size suggests they might have eaten early reptiles that later evolved into dinosaurs and mammals, Schneider said.

One favorite snack could have been the pelycosaur, a relative of the dimetrodon, a small, sail-backed lizard common in that age, Lucas said.

"We're still really not sure what they ate," Lucas said. "This guy was probably out patrolling the forest floor eating smaller bugs - which were still pretty big by today's standards - and maybe eating small vertebrates. New Mexico was near the equator then, and the land was much warmer and wetter."

Arthropleura died out at the end of the Pennsylvanian, probably because the amount of oxygen in the air was reduced from 30 percent during that time period to closer to the 21 percent we have today, Lucas said.

"They just couldn't survive at that size in modern air," Lucas said. "Their lungs weren't as evolved as ours. For an insect to get that big, you'd need to have a lot more oxygen in the air. These guys were an evolutionary dead end."

Millipedes and centipedes aren't directly related to arthropleura, he added, but might be from a related branch of the now-extinct creature's family tree, Lucas added.

"Breathing, food, locomotion are all problematic for a bug that big," Lucas said. "When the world changed, they just couldn't adapt."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: archaeology; bugs; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; museum; paleontology
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To: demlosers
"The museum has not found the bug itself. What it did find in a remote canyon near Española were the fossilized tracks of such a creature"

How do they know it was a bug?

41 posted on 04/22/2005 1:15:36 PM PDT by BROKKANIC
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To: demlosers

The bugs whacked us Johnny...


42 posted on 04/22/2005 1:18:50 PM PDT by Betis70 (It's all fun and games till someone gets impaled with a Javelin)
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To: demlosers
That bug probably resembles Bill and Hellarys first and final attempt at siring an alleged child. They killed it too, of course.
43 posted on 04/22/2005 1:19:30 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary talking about Religion is as hypocritical as Bill carrying a bible out of church for 8 years)
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To: demlosers

Microsoft programmer displays biggest bug found so far in Internet Explorer.

44 posted on 04/22/2005 1:20:01 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: Red Badger

A LOBSTROCITY! (For you Dark Tower fans)


45 posted on 04/22/2005 1:20:02 PM PDT by Pest (My reality check bounced!)
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To: demlosers; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day; xsmommy
This is basically the Tyrannosaurus of the Pennsylvanian period

Proto-Jagoff.

46 posted on 04/22/2005 1:20:10 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Chat is my milieu)
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To: 14erClimb
My BS meter is off the charts.

Why? This thing lived at a time when the world was crittered by dragonflies with 60 cm wingspans and 20 cm-long cockroaches.

47 posted on 04/22/2005 1:20:42 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: dead
Too funny !
But the bug in that picture is a model.
The bug that left the tracks in a fossil specimen is estimated to be 8ft long.
48 posted on 04/22/2005 1:21:06 PM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: tet68

Fewer plants. Plants during this period were growing like crazy, pumping huge amounts of oxygen into the atmosphere (hence the really big bugs). At the end of this period, the oxygen levels dropped (maybe from global cooling and drying killing off a lot of the world's vegetation).


49 posted on 04/22/2005 1:22:54 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: Tax-chick
Quibbles! It's a hugh, disgusting bug, however you date it!

You have to be really, really lonely to date that.

50 posted on 04/22/2005 1:24:06 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: demlosers

Deep fry in kettle, sprinkle with salt and pepper, serve over rice, LMAO!!!!!


51 posted on 04/22/2005 1:25:16 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (If you're not part of the solution, YOU ARE the problem.)
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To: PatrickHenry
I'd rather take my chances with an 8-foot crocodile. It's only a reptile, after all.
52 posted on 04/22/2005 1:25:19 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Someone dated Hillary Rodham ...


53 posted on 04/22/2005 1:25:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Pope Benedict XVI: The Rat-Zinger!)
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To: demlosers

Them's good eating!


54 posted on 04/22/2005 1:25:57 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: martin_fierro
This is basically the Tyrannosaurus of the Pennsylvanian period.

This is the basic arthropleura of the Massachusetts era.


55 posted on 04/22/2005 1:26:58 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: demlosers
"...but 300 million years ago...New Mexico was near the equator then, and the land was much warmer and wetter...."

My complaining to myself about traffic this a.m. is so insignifiant whenb I read statements like these. I've come to this conclusion though: On the whole as a species, "we deserve to be in traffic".<---LOL on a Pessimistic Friday

56 posted on 04/22/2005 1:30:59 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary talking about Religion is as hypocritical as Bill carrying a bible out of church for 8 years)
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To: Junior

How do you know? Were you there?


57 posted on 04/22/2005 1:32:32 PM PDT by 14erClimb
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To: shaggy eel; MineralMan

Hey shaggy...they copied your driver's license photo.

Though Muttly ambles through the ferns often,

only your photogenic contributions remind me of how much more cautious i should be.


58 posted on 04/22/2005 1:35:42 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (muttly - verb:"to cudgel or beat with a short heavy stick")
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To: 14erClimb

I've seen the fossils.


59 posted on 04/22/2005 1:39:44 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: demlosers

Rodan snacks!


60 posted on 04/22/2005 1:40:15 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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