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French referendum 'no' would mean 'fall of Europe'
AFP ^ | Apr 23, 2005

Posted on 04/23/2005 3:05:17 PM PDT by Mount Athos

Former European Commission president Romano Prodi warns that a French rejection of the proposed European Union constitution in the forthcoming referendum would mean "the fall of Europe".

If France votes "no" on May 29, he told the Sunday paper Journal du Dimanche, it would be far more than a case of the country being "the black sheep" of Europe, using an expression employed by French President Jacques Chirac.

"There will be no more Europe," Prodi, now leader of the Italian centre-left opposition to Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, said.

"We will go through a great period of crisis. The problem will not only be a catastrophe for France, but the fall of Europe.

"A 'no' would be catastrophic for economic and social Europe, not only political Europe" he added. "And that is the whole contradiction: everyone knows very well that there is no Europe without France, yet France does not realize the chance it has with Europe.

"It should think, because it would be very weak on its own," Prodi said.

"It is impossible for me to imagine a French 'no'. I have always thought of France as a pillar of Europe.

"The constitution is not perfect but it is the best one possible at the moment, and certainly a step in the direction of social and political integration, a step towards the model France has always defended and promoted."

A string of recent opinion polls has suggested that French voters will reject -- possibly by a large majority -- the constitution, although both major parties of the right and the chief leftwing group support a "yes" vote.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france
Kleptocrat fabricates scare scenerios in a desperate attempt to cling to power. The European Commission he heads is perhaps the most tyrannical and unrepresentative organ of the EU.
1 posted on 04/23/2005 3:05:19 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Had to look to make sure this wasn't from "Scrappleface".


2 posted on 04/23/2005 3:09:51 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Mount Athos
everyone knows very well that there is no Europe without France

Really?

3 posted on 04/23/2005 3:09:53 PM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: Mount Athos
...would mean "the fall of Europe".

That should read, "...would mean "the fall of Europe again".

4 posted on 04/23/2005 3:10:51 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Mount Athos
Former European Commission president Romano Prodi warns that a French rejection of the proposed European Union constitution in the forthcoming referendum would mean "the fall of Europe".

I think he means the EU.

Let's hope so!!

5 posted on 04/23/2005 3:11:13 PM PDT by protest1
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To: Mount Athos

Only the French can shoot themselves in the foot this well.


6 posted on 04/23/2005 3:11:50 PM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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To: JustAnotherOkie

Oh, yes! Poor Jacques! I fart in his general direction!


7 posted on 04/23/2005 3:15:23 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Mount Athos

in the netherlands the justice minister is telling everyone if we reject the constitution war will break out sooner or later, such a pathetic argument deserves a no!


8 posted on 04/23/2005 3:17:51 PM PDT by dutch52
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To: Mount Athos
black sheep of Europe

Yellow sheep is more like it. :-)
9 posted on 04/23/2005 3:18:00 PM PDT by cgbg (Fire the Trustees of the Social Security Trust Fund with no money in it!)
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To: Mount Athos
I have always thought of France as a pillar of Europe.

What you get with a pillar such as France:


10 posted on 04/23/2005 3:30:03 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Mount Athos
French referendum 'no' would mean 'fall of Europe'

WOW talk about an inflated ego! Zow pow guess Europe and world revolves around France. Shows what a joke they are.

11 posted on 04/23/2005 3:31:49 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: randog

When in the world did Europe ever RISE?!


12 posted on 04/23/2005 3:32:30 PM PDT by DTwistedSisterS
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To: Mount Athos

No; It means they will have to surrender.


13 posted on 04/23/2005 3:32:43 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Mount Athos
I have always thought of France as a pillar of Europe.

Hmmm - I never knew that "pillar" was interchangeable with "shaft".

14 posted on 04/23/2005 3:32:59 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Mount Athos
And that is the whole contradiction: everyone knows very well that there is no Europe without France

Like the continent would vanish if the French aren't on board with the EU. Get a grip.

15 posted on 04/23/2005 3:41:03 PM PDT by John Jorsett (email: mistersandiego yahoo.com (put the at sign in between those two))
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To: Mount Athos
It is quite interesting to see the old alliance against GWB falling on their faces. Maybe GWB does have GOD on his side after all!

It's Bush's fault!!

16 posted on 04/23/2005 3:48:50 PM PDT by bubman
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To: Mount Athos
How is it that this miserable little outpost of elitest euro snobbery, and neo socialism has become so important to the EU experiment? It's economy does not even rank among the 5 best of Europe, it's unemployment rate is around 11%. They have not been a military power since 1812 and even further, have capitulated in nearly every conflict they could not slink away from.
17 posted on 04/23/2005 3:55:11 PM PDT by Guard Dog (The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must)
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To: Mount Athos

In a strange way the fall of the European Union would be its salvation.


18 posted on 04/23/2005 4:01:19 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: John Jorsett

Silly you.... Don't you realize that Brussels bureaucrats have hijacked the very word "Europe" to signify their idiotic wet dream of total bureaucratic control.


19 posted on 04/23/2005 4:06:10 PM PDT by TFine80
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To: DTwistedSisterS
When in the world did Europe ever RISE?!

The Third Reich?

20 posted on 04/23/2005 5:04:27 PM PDT by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: Mount Athos

Other countries will vote No.
In Netherlands the No vote is leading, 52%, according to the latest poll:

(Machine translation, touched by me):
A survey gives for the first time the "no" to the European Constitution winning in Netherlands. 52 % of the people decided to vote intend to reject the constitutional Treaty at the time of the referendum envisaged on June 1.

http://www.swissinfo.org/sfr/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5714584&cKey=1114286772000


21 posted on 04/23/2005 5:06:53 PM PDT by thierrya
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To: randog

Yes, the French were responsible for the fall of Europe at the beginning of both WWI and WWII. This time we should all hope that French are again responsible for the fall of Europe!


22 posted on 04/23/2005 5:39:13 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Mount Athos

Not to worry, Chirac already knows what he will report as the final, official talley for the French vote approving the European Constitution. You don't think Chirac would allow the golden goose that will make him and his relatives rich beyond imagination to be harmed, do you?


23 posted on 04/23/2005 5:39:33 PM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Maroons, they don't learn, Soviet Union didn't work, why are they trying again?


24 posted on 04/23/2005 6:22:59 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: Mount Athos
A string of recent opinion polls has suggested that French voters will reject -- possibly by a large majority -- the constitution

It may be losing by a small margin but I think there is an attempt to scare voters of all countries into a "yes" vote.

25 posted on 04/23/2005 6:26:42 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Mount Athos
By now most people in Europe who are at all interested in the propsed EU Constitution recognize it for what a fraud it is.

Even the current US Constitution could not have gotten enough votes for ratification in 1790 without the addition of the Bill of Rights.

Sometimes it's necessary to go back to the ol'drawing board and try it again.

26 posted on 04/23/2005 6:28:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mount Athos

"Kleptocrat" is the most apt term I have ever heard for these unrepresentative power thieves. Congratulations to you for coining the "Word of the Year" in my opinion.


27 posted on 04/23/2005 6:29:45 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: paudio
everyone knows very well that there is no Europe without France

Well, it wouldn't smell the same, that's for sure.

28 posted on 04/23/2005 6:31:55 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Mount Athos
Former European Commission president Romano Prodi warns that a French rejection of the proposed European Union constitution in the forthcoming referendum would mean "the fall of Europe".

Where will it land?

29 posted on 04/23/2005 6:33:42 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Guard Dog
BTW, the French were among the victorious powers in WWI, and most of the war was actually fought in France!

In WWII they got beat fair and square, but the fellows in the Maginot Line held out all the way to the end.

In Viet Nam Eisenhower refused to assist them by bombing the Commies at Bien Dien Phu. Eisenhower led the US to side with the Egyptians against the French, British and Israelis at Suez.

I think your complaint is a much more specific one than you claim ~ it's not that the French are, in general, cheese eating surrender monkeys ~ instead, they were against us upsetting their little revenue deal with Saddam Hussein.

BTW, once you develop diabetes you will learn to appreciate the 800 different kinds of cheese developed by the French ~ you'll be eating a lot of it! (ROTFLMAO).

30 posted on 04/23/2005 6:35:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mount Athos
French referendum 'no' would mean 'fall of Europe'

Actually might mean the saving of Europe.

31 posted on 04/23/2005 6:36:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The quiet ones are the ones that change the universe. The loud ones only take the credit)
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To: kennedy

Europe rising? Sounds like a yeast infection.


32 posted on 04/23/2005 6:40:34 PM PDT by Dawgmeister
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To: Mount Athos
If you re-read the article and substitute the word "socialism" for the word "France," it becomes quite clear what Romano Prodi is saying.
33 posted on 04/23/2005 6:50:33 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Mount Athos
I do not think it is in the interest of the USofA to have a united Europe. We fought two wars to preclude a united Europe under German control. Was it the Germans or a united Europe that was of concern? Because these two wars were similar to the wars against Napoleon waged by the Brits to preclude a united Europe under French control in the 19th century I conclude it is a united Europe rather than a dominate country that is our concern. So, I'd like to see the European Union fall apart, the sooner the better.
34 posted on 04/23/2005 7:04:54 PM PDT by Whispering Smith
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To: Malesherbes

This is a good and insightful observation -- but the EU goes beyond socialism, it reaches the level of an oppressive, unrepresentative bureaucracy. One that subverts sovereignty. I think the socialism of the EU is really terrible, but I think the bureaucracy that undermines the sovereignty of these countries is just as pernicious. Many of the people voting on the constitution don't understand that their countries will really just be provinces of the EU subject to the whims of calluous and PC bureaucrats.


35 posted on 04/23/2005 8:36:14 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: paudio

France is a small country with a giant ego and no redeeming qualities.


36 posted on 04/24/2005 8:43:40 AM PDT by chiefqc
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